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Posted: 3/5/2001 11:43:34 AM EST
I picked up a Eagle Arms pre ban lower Saturday for $425. Its in very good condition. I think it was a good deal. What do you think?
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 11:50:20 AM EST
Rub it in why don't ya.
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 11:53:23 AM EST
You have the documentation that it is a "pre-ban" since you bought a lower only? If so, congrats.
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 11:58:28 AM EST
Wow, thats totally opposite then what I was told. My brother told me that I got screwed in the deal. I figured that it was a good deal, but you guys know more about this then I do. Yes I verified the serial numbers. I feel better know.
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 11:59:17 AM EST
Great Deal!
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 12:01:07 PM EST
Technically the receiver had to be part of a complete gun before sept 13,1994 for it to have status of pre-ban.
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 12:01:33 PM EST
If its a pre-ban, and you are pleased, who is to say you got screwed!! You paid $425 and have it in your hands. The guy that wanted to pay less, went home empty handed.
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 12:04:37 PM EST
gijohnny223 I agree with your brother, you got screwed. But.....I'll give you $426 just to help you keep your pride & also make a profit on your horrible deal. [:D][:D][:D] COLTSHORTY GOA KABA COA JPFO SAF NRA "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them."
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 12:06:16 PM EST
I recently picked up an Oly pre-ban with new internals and telestock for $650 and I thought that was a good deal. I am just waiting for my tax return and I am going to buy a Bushy 16" M4 upper for it. If the manufacturer verified the pre-ban status, you my friend scored a killer deal. [beer]
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 1:51:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/5/2001 2:02:31 PM EST by Eric]
".....I'll give you $426 just to help you keep your pride & also make a profit on your horrible deal." Hell, I'll make it $427! [;)] gijohnny223, you found a great deal for sure. Feel free to find one for me too![:D]
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 2:30:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By Imbrog|io: Technically the receiver had to be part of a complete gun before sept 13,1994 for it to have status of pre-ban.
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Link Posted: 3/5/2001 2:42:14 PM EST
If ArmaLite verified that the receiver was shipped as a complete pre-ban configuration rifle, then it was a good deal. Is it a low number A1 configuration or A2 configuration lower? (Does the receiver extension ring have an A2-style reinforcing band, or is it flat like the A1?)
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 2:56:23 PM EST
I'd say that's a pretty good deal! You don't happen to know where any more are at that price do you?[:)]
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 3:11:46 PM EST
What is the the big deal between a preban and a postban? I see these "preban" guns at the shows for twice the price of the "postban" stuff. What is the "SECRET"?
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 7:36:02 PM EST
Looks like a terrible deal, but don't worry, I like to help people out, so I'll pay you what you bought it for, OK? HEHEHE just kidding, looks like you can make yourself a nice M4 copy for a great price. :)
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 7:47:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By HANGFIRE: What is the the big deal between a preban and a postban? I see these "preban" guns at the shows for twice the price of the "postban" stuff. What is the "SECRET"?
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The difference is that on a pre-ban you can have- a folding or collaspable stock, a bayo lug, and a threaded muzzle. On the threaded muzzle you can put suppressors, both flash and (if you can legaly own one) a sound suppressor (silencer). Only you can decide if it's worth it to YOU.
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 7:54:23 PM EST
Killer deal gi .... good to see folks get "lucky" every now and then. I lucked up a couple of months ago and picked up a R6830 complete with 2 USGI's for $ 700.00 !!! Unfrigginbelieveable.....I could'nt get the cash outta my pocket fast enough for that young lady that sold it to me [:D]
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 8:42:20 PM EST
Thanks GeorgeInNePa. Can a prebie be turned into a full auto?
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 8:48:24 PM EST
Can you drill the hole and install an auto-sear? No. We lost that right in 1986. You can use a Lightning Link or Registered Drop In Auto Sear (RDIAS), but you can do that to a post-ban as well. If you use either of the above in a post ban rifle you can add anything you want to it. Remember I am talking about NFA papered items, not the stuff you see selling for 250.00 in Shotgun News.
Link Posted: 3/5/2001 9:31:14 PM EST
heh there's a PWA pre-ban for $500 at my local gun shop in Federal Way, WA. Maybe I'll have to pick it up to sell to you guys who are willing to pay $700 : )
Link Posted: 3/6/2001 12:20:42 AM EST
This is taken from the old AR-15 site (An AR-15 Primer). "Note on Pre- vs. Post-Ban Rifles: In certain, limited circumstances, you may still build or own a Pre-Ban AR-15 rifle. But the restrictions should be researched extremely carefully and followed to the letter of the law! Should you desire to build or own a Pre-Ban rifle, then please be sure to read the Section 5. But I Want a Pre-Ban Rifle passages below. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT A LOWER RECEIVER WITH SERIAL NUMBER WHICH DENOTES MANUFACTURING PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 1994 DOES NOT NECESSARILY PERMIT YOU TO LEGALLY BUILD A RIFLE WITH PRE-BAN FEATURES! A LOWER RECEIVER MUST HAVE BEEN ASSEMBLED INTO A COMPLETE RIFLE PRIOR TO THE SEPTEMBER 1994 BAN AND THE MANUFACTURER MUST BE ABLE TO DOCUMENT THAT ASSEMBLY TO THE BATF IN ORDER TO QUALIFY AS A PRE-BAN LOWER RECEIVER!)
Link Posted: 3/6/2001 1:58:58 AM EST
<> REPEAT!!! Be advised.
Link Posted: 3/6/2001 2:34:46 AM EST
I have posted this before, and it is very important, please read and fully understand. ArmaLite's official "generic" position on pre/post status of receivers they've made is: 1.Almost all Eagle Arms rifles bearing the notation "Eagle Arms Div ArmaLite" are post-ban rifles. The only exception will be on serial numbers under 30,000. Receivers with pre-ban serial numbers marked with the ArmaLite name are new receivers produced to repair legitimate pre-ban rifles. 2.Many Eagle Arms lower receivers were sold to customers and assembled outside the factory. ArmaLite has no way of knowing which of these arms were legitimately assembled into "pre-ban" rifles before the Crime Bill went into effect. 3.ArmaLite's history specialist will conduct research into the production history of a given serial number and provide a letter attesting to its factory designation and shipping date. The research will be conducted at a cost of $25.00 per firearm. The customer name CANNOT be provided due to privacy constraints. Also note that simply because a given lower receiver has a "pre-ban" serial number does not necessarily mean that the firearm was assembled prior to the ban, only that the receiver was manufactured before the effective date of the ban. In order for an assault weapon to be "grandfathered", it must have been configured as an assault weapon prior to the ban (the effective date of the ban was September 13, 1994.) If a stripped lower receiver was in a dealer's bound book at the time the ban took effect, and it is later discovered in an assault weapon configuration, it could be rather easily ascertained that it is not a grandfathered firearm. Receivers in private hands on the day of the ban are a little more ambiguous as who is to say if it was or was not in an assault weapon configuration on the date of the ban, and then later stripped? As always, buyer beware. http://home1.gte.net/bblakley/ban/
Link Posted: 3/6/2001 5:16:41 AM EST
I believe the fines are $10,000 and 10 years in the Federal pen. While I am not sure how much /often this law is being enforced (proof receiver was a complete gun prior to 9/94), to me it is not worth it. I would be extremely wary of preban lowers only and request documentation as others have noted. Say you were stopped for a minor traffic violation and the AR was discovered,and the LEO decided to get technical about it. You could be SOL. You still got a super deal. Enjoy
Link Posted: 3/6/2001 5:29:55 AM EST
Kind of funny that GeorgeInNePa, a "junior member" with 10 posts, had to answer HANGFIRE, a "senior member" with **277** posts. The question? Why are prebans worth so much more than postbans???? Someone's not paying attention here... [pyro] Tate
Link Posted: 3/6/2001 6:02:53 AM EST
I don't really see what the number of post has to do with anything a member can add to the discussion. Many of the people were from the old board and did not get their old post count back. Many others have personal knowledge not gained from reading these BB's. If you sit back long enough you will learn who really knows their stuff. Hope you don't take this as a flame, it was not intended to be, if your offended, I'm sorry. Just my 0.02 RON
Link Posted: 3/6/2001 8:14:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/6/2001 8:26:58 AM EST by punkatomic]
I've spoken to an agent of the BATF about this, his advice is DON'T DO IT! you will not prevail. You will have assembled an illegal assault weapon. But don't take my, or his word for it, call the BATF. They will politely answer your questions without sending an entry team to your house. $425 is a lot of money to pay for a lower that can only be configured as a post-ban rifle.
Link Posted: 3/6/2001 8:27:46 AM EST
I hate you!
Originally Posted By Turok: I recently picked up an Oly pre-ban with new internals and telestock for $650
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Link Posted: 3/6/2001 8:29:26 AM EST
You too! [;)]
Originally Posted By DizzyRooster: I lucked up a couple of months ago and picked up a R6830 complete with 2 USGI's for $ 700.00 !!!
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Link Posted: 3/9/2001 12:37:06 AM EST
Here's part of the official response from an agent in the ATF: 18 USC, Section 922 (v) states (in part) (1) it is unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon. 18 USC Section 921 (30) defines a semiautomatic assault weapon as (in part) (A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates in any caliber, known as... (iv) Colt AR-15 (i) folding or telescoping stock (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon (iii) a bayonet mount (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accomadate a flash suppressor; and (v) a grenade launcher; Taking a pre-OR post ban lower receiver and adding any two of the FIVE characteristic assemblies described above would constitute manufacturing a semiautomatic assault weapon, and would be a violation of 18 USC: Section 922 (v) (1) It seems that $425 for a pre-ban lower is not a good deal.
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