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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:18:28 PM EDT
I grew up in the 80's and the 90's, so I always grew up knowing that eventually there would be a war between the USA and the USSR. I practiced hiding from the effects of nuclear weapons under my desk at school. I watched movies like Red Dawn and identified with these characters because I knew that someday I'd be duking it out with the Soviets, maybe right here in the USA. I watched The Day After and wondered if that's really how it was going to be. I didn't care about athletics, but watched the Olympics JUST to see the USA compete head to head with our arch enemy. I felt completely engaged as an American because anything else was just communist, and commies were the worst thing you could be. No one had to tell anyone that you were either for us or against us, it was as plain as the writing on the wall.

Then all that changed with glasnost and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. I felt adrift; who was our enemy now? Having the USSR as an enemy defined us as Americans, the way that Lex Luthor made Superman who he was, or the way that The Joker made Batman who he was. Sadaam Hussein wasn't going to cut it, we were done with him in 100 hours. Now we've had "The Terrorists" as enemies for the last 15-20 years, depending on how you keep score, but it's hard to feel as engaged as an American when your nemesis is some vague group of individuals who lurk in the shadows, who changes their name every 10 days and who don't even send athletes to the Olympics!

Anyone else out there miss the Cold War?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:21:47 PM EDT
Can't really say I miss the Cold War. But I do get where your coming from. At least the nation knew the enemy and war was likely to be conventional if any
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:29:34 PM EDT
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I'm glad the old Cold War is over. The Wolfowicz doctrine is lighting a new one and we're not at the point where we're exchanging bullets, but it's close. We had better leadership that was careful about conflict. Now we have a man-child as the Occupier in Chief of the Wine Haus and he's doing everything he can to dismantle and weaken this nation. When he's done, we'll be no better off than any other turd world nation.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:32:55 PM EDT
So you're putting together a ISIS Olympic team, huh Coach?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:32:57 PM EDT
I am 40. I grew up in the 70's and 80's as kid. I miss those times. Hell I even miss the 90's now. I hate how the world is now. Only good thing is I have a wealth of knowledge now,and I make good money so I can buy the things I like.
It's ok to be an adult.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:33:20 PM EDT
I have always considered 1980 Hockey to be pay back for 1972 Basketball
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
I'm glad the old Cold War is over. The Wolfowicz doctrine is lighting a new one and we're not at the point where we're exchanging bullets, but it's close. We had better leadership that was careful about conflict. Now we have a man-child as the Occupier in Chief of the Wine Haus and he's doing everything he can to dismantle and weaken this nation. When he's done, we'll be no better off than any other turd world nation.
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See, that's another thing right there. In the Cold War, everyone thought Jimmy Carter was an idiot, but it was very fringy to believe that he was intentionally weakening us so that we'd collapse as a nation. Nowadays, it's damn near mainstream to think that the president is either selling us out to the international bankers, or that he's a closet marxist who's setting us up to be taken over. It feels more like we're headed for civil war than world war. I hope we find a nice legitimate nation to be our feared enemy and unite us all the way we were all once (more or less) united. Maybe China will get there someday...
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:41:04 PM EDT
Simpler times
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:42:26 PM EDT
No thanks.
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Can you IMAGINE what that would do for the ratings? I'd watch every event that we competed against them in, even the boring ones. You'd have to be careful though, especially with events like fencing and the Javelin throw. I don't think I'd trust them with the torch either.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:45:16 PM EDT
Don't you fret OP. Expanding NATO to the Russian border and supporting color revolutions in Ukraine will give you that cold war warm&fuzzy feeling you long for...just give it a little more time.

Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:46:21 PM EDT
Now Socialists run for President thanks to the Democrat party.
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It's not just missing the old days, it's missing something that was passed down from generation to generation. My grandpa hated the Soviets, and he taught my dad to hate the Soviets, and my dad taught me the evils of collectivism, and now socialism is barely even a dirty word now. We've got legit self avowed socialists in national office eyeing the presidency, and barely anyone cares.

ETA You beat me to it, Master_Shake
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I remember Duck & Cover growing up in Cali 60-70's





like it would've helpped
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:53:18 PM EDT
Twenty somethings have no idea about the cold war. Mention duck and cover drills and the little peckerwoods think you're full of shit.

Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:53:45 PM EDT
I miss the East European female athletes.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:54:21 PM EDT
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You've got to admit, it sounds pretty full of shit.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:54:38 PM EDT
I don't. It was bullshit when that commie bastard killed Apollo Creed.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:57:52 PM EDT
In a way I also. Our Military was not a as pussified as it is now. Submarineing was different then also. Back in the days "Range to ___________ 1 is 2000 yards, bearing 025" The CO replies "lets get a little closer, Hell lets under hull it" Now..... "Range to _______________1 is 20,000 yards bearing 025!!!!!!!!! TURN TURN run away we are to close!!!!!!!!!"
Yes I understand that technology is better now on both sides but still our Subs are much more quieter.
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That's it exactly. We knew who we were because we knew who we hated and who hated us. They had a chunk of land, a military, a leader, a flag, a hockey team...we didn't have to track them down to launch a missile at them, because we knew where they slept at night. There was no one on TV telling us how lots of Soviet Sub commanders were really nice guys and that it was just a few bad apples that we needed to reach out to...we needed to kill them all because they were godless COMMIES and if we didn't kill them they'd eat our babies. Now everyone on TV tries to impress everyone else with their nuanced opinions about each of the 100 different varieties of enemies we have, and they seem to recoil at calling them or think of them as enemies, instead preferring to try to cast them as allies we haven't met yet.
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Originally Posted By Silver_Surfer:
I remember Duck & Cover growing up in Cali 60-70's





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Maybe we can start the equivelent of duck and cover for terrorists, something like "Cower and Quiver"
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:02:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By hdhogman:
I miss the East European female athletes.
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The ones with the thighs that would crush ducks?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:04:16 PM EDT
Russia still has the ability to end our life as we know it, and we theirs, even with much smaller nuclear arsenals.

However, the conventional threat to Western Europe is greatly diminished.

Soviet infiltration of our college campuses was widespread during the Vietnam War.

The ideological battle was lost on our college campuses by the late 1970's, and those students are now widely in positions of power in our government.

Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:04:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By rca2222:
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I got the last year or two of the drills. Born in 83, I remember doing them for the first and last time in 90, 91.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:08:36 PM EDT
I'm just happy to be scared. Doesn't matter who's the enemy.

'murica.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:09:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Masterbagger:
I don't. It was bullshit when that commie bastard killed Apollo Creed.
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I completely forgot about that movie. That's what I mean, we all hated that 7' tall Soviet manmonster, and the premise of the movie was realistic. Do you think Al Queda is going to send us a boxer to fight?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:11:11 PM EDT
Soviets > Jihadists

If you would've asked me in 1992 if I miss the Cold War, I would've laughed. But I have far more respect for the Commies than for the ROPers.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:13:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By omar:
Russia still has the ability to end our life as we know it, and we theirs, even with much smaller nuclear arsenals.

However, the conventional threat to Western Europe is greatly diminished.

Soviet infiltration of our college campuses was widespread during the Vietnam War.

The ideological battle was lost on our college campuses by the late 1970's, and those students are now widely in positions of power in our government.

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It's hard to imagine us getting it on with the Russians now. For crying out loud, they're the ones who're giving us a lift to the space station now.

That's another thing I miss, the whole paranoia that anyone among us could be a Soviet spy. Now it's pretty easy to figure out who among us is an enemy agent, or at least it's easy to figure out where to start looking...Michigan.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:14:00 PM EDT
Duck and cover drills growing up in the 80's and 90's?

You sure you didn't grow up in North Korea?
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Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
I'm just happy to be scared. Doesn't matter who's the enemy.

'murica.
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I'm barely scared anymore. There's just not the same CERTAINTY that something is going to happen, the way it was back in the good old days. I wasn't just scared something was going to happen then, I was CERTAIN something was going to happen.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:17:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By hellmann9655:
Don't you fret OP. Expanding NATO to the Russian border and supporting color revolutions in Ukraine will give you that cold war warm&fuzzy feeling you long for...just give it a little more time.

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Word is that Putin made it pretty clear they would nuke us if we went in the Crimea or tried to take it back. That is why would stood down so quickly.
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Originally Posted By BarstowCowboy:


I'm barely scared anymore. There's just not the same CERTAINTY that something is going to happen, the way it was back in the good old days. I wasn't just scared something was going to happen then, I was CERTAIN something was going to happen.
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Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
I'm just happy to be scared. Doesn't matter who's the enemy.

'murica.


I'm barely scared anymore. There's just not the same CERTAINTY that something is going to happen, the way it was back in the good old days. I wasn't just scared something was going to happen then, I was CERTAIN something was going to happen.


Given the stories that came out about that Soviet who decided to take our missles in the ass rather than retaliate, then turned out to be a big computer glitch, it's amazing war didn't happen.
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Originally Posted By BarstowCowboy:


I'm barely scared anymore. There's just not the same CERTAINTY that something is going to happen, the way it was back in the good old days. I wasn't just scared something was going to happen then, I was CERTAIN something was going to happen.
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Originally Posted By BarstowCowboy:
Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
I'm just happy to be scared. Doesn't matter who's the enemy.

'murica.


I'm barely scared anymore. There's just not the same CERTAINTY that something is going to happen, the way it was back in the good old days. I wasn't just scared something was going to happen then, I was CERTAIN something was going to happen.
I never felt that way. My father was missile tech on a boomer at the height of the cold war, and had a unique perspective. he never felt that war was imminent and he was part of the launch procedure.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:36:37 PM EDT
Can't say I miss the Cold War, but the time I spent in Germany during the Cold War, were some of the best times of my life.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:39:47 PM EDT
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You've got to admit, it sounds pretty full of shit.
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Originally Posted By rca2222:
Twenty somethings have no idea about the cold war. Mention duck and cover drills and the little peckerwoods think you're full of shit.







You've got to admit, it sounds pretty full of shit.



Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:44:52 PM EDT
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that. It's easy to look back and get all misty-eyed, knowing now how it all turned out. But the specter of nuclear annihilation was a very real fear for most people. As a kid/young adult, my dad (now 62) thought he'd be long dead by now, as a result of the Cold War going hot.


Link Posted: 4/30/2015 9:14:02 PM EDT
The klaxon would go off. The air crews would run out to the alert F-4's, loaded with nuclear weapons. The taxi gates would be opened while the planes fired up. "Please let it be a drill, please let it be a drill". That part sucked.
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Originally Posted By GI-45:
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that. It's easy to look back and get all misty-eyed, knowing now how it all turned out. But the specter of nuclear annihilation was a very real fear for most people. As a kid/young adult, my dad (now 62) thought he'd be long dead by now, as a result of the Cold War going hot.




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But it glued the nation together. With the exception of a small number or the intellectual elites and people who felt like they knew better, we ALL hated the Soviets, and we all did it TOGETHER!
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You missed it OP. The really cool stuff happened during the 50's and 60's on the cold war front. We drove them into bankruptcy during the 80's when Ron told them we were going to put up a missile defense above the earth.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 9:51:15 PM EDT
I'll tell you one thing, the Olympics have never seen the excitement and drama that was there during the Cold War years. Picking who to cheer for was pretty easy: America and her allies, or Communist Bloc countries. Russia and and Bulgarian weightlifters, Cuban boxers, East German swimmers and Chinese gymnasts, these are the people who would have made Red Dawn a reality and by God, they needed to be stopped!

Take the day off of work, spend the evening with the entire family around the TV, just do whatever it took to be there watching when one more gold medal was awarded to keep the world free of Soviet domination. Man, those were some great days for Olympic competition. Arguably the greatest days.
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Originally Posted By omar:
Russia still has the ability to end our life as we know it, and we theirs, even with much smaller nuclear arsenals.

However, the conventional threat to Western Europe is greatly diminished.

Soviet infiltration of our college campuses was widespread during the Vietnam War.

The ideological battle was lost on our college campuses by the late 1970's, and those students are now widely in positions of power in our government.


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This in spades! We "won" the cold war beating the soviet communist military.

Yet, they are winning the "long war" with their influence over our higher education and thus each generation of college students becomes more and more and more left...

BIGGER_HAMMER
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This in spades! We "won" the cold war beating the soviet communist military.

Yet, they are winning the "long war" with their influence over our higher education and thus each generation of college students becomes more and more and more left...

BIGGER_HAMMER
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Originally Posted By omar:
Russia still has the ability to end our life as we know it, and we theirs, even with much smaller nuclear arsenals.

However, the conventional threat to Western Europe is greatly diminished.

Soviet infiltration of our college campuses was widespread during the Vietnam War.

The ideological battle was lost on our college campuses by the late 1970's, and those students are now widely in positions of power in our government.




This in spades! We "won" the cold war beating the soviet communist military.

Yet, they are winning the "long war" with their influence over our higher education and thus each generation of college students becomes more and more and more left...

BIGGER_HAMMER
I teach my 4 young boys Right. They will be the kids who join the rifle team and the Young Republicans organizations when they go off to college. I'm pre-empting the future brainwashing. My boys are becoming patriotic, respectful young men.
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I might have missed it if I didn't do the two most recent hot wars.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:19:43 AM EDT
I kinda miss it too. I was still in uniform when the Soviet Union imploded. It was glorious.

That, and I didn't have any gray hair. Gray hair sucks.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 1:04:14 AM EDT
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Obviously you never received "the briefing", knew about the Fulda gap, and how short our life expectancy would be. Being stationed in Germany, going through REFORGER, EDRE drills, 30,45-60+ day FTX's, AREA MUD, Graf, Hoenfels, destroying farmers fields, etc................. The Cold War sucked if you were combat Arms. Try running PT in an M17, and you'll appreciate a new kind of hell. Fond, no. When we had down time, great f*cking times!!!! I did 7.2 years of Foreign Service OCONUS, CONUS duty was cake.

ETA: I remember guys cutting the guts out of their M17 gas mask filters, you could tell because they were usually the guys that would go through their ration card of smokes in 3 weeks.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 1:44:56 AM EDT
Yep. It was good in its way. We had a space race, an arms race, etc.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 2:10:22 AM EDT
I vaguely remember the Cuban Missile Crisis. In later years one of the things that gave us comfort was that the Russians were fairly rational, i.e.: they didn't want to die either, not like the ragheads with their 72 virgins bullshit. A friend on my shooting team used to fly B-36 bombers and has a few tales to tell. According to him all the aircrews figured that if the balloon went up they were pretty much guaranteed a one-way trip.
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 2:11:37 AM EDT
In one sense, good as in you knew who the enemy was. Bad as in everything we know could've been gone in seconds if some Soviet idiot had gotten mad or drunk and hit the launch button.
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