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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - I just talked to ATF about my Hesse M16

hessem16

Joined Jun 2002
Posts 3
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TX, USA

Posted: 6/10/2002 3:57:09 PM EST

I was worried that my Hesse M16 I bought last week was illegal after the discussion on this board. The BATF sent two agents to my house within 15 minunts of the call I made. They demanded to see the rifle and about two seconds later they told my that it was illegal and they asked who I purchased it from. I showed them my reciept and they said that they had had other reports of that man selling Sten MK-IIs that he built himself at the same gun show for $750. They then told me no charges would be filed since I cooperated, told the truth, and turned in the man who sold it to me. They also told me that for a reward I could keep the rifle if I paid THEM the transfer tax and gave them the rifle until my stamp came in the mail (provided I could get a cheif LEO to sign off). They also told my that the dealer who sold me the rifle would have to return the $1200 I gave him for the rifle. So, I thanked them, gave them my rifle for the time being, visited my CLEO, and got the papers signed! So for all you that think I am a TROLL, I am NOT. But I did just screw the ATF into giving my a post sample M-16 for $200!

legrue Joined Apr 2002 Posts 266 EE Offline OR, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 3:59:19 PM EST Doesn't sound like you screwed the ATF, rather, that the ATF agents were extremely cool. Imagine that...[:D]

ComputerGuy Joined Dec 2001 Posts 585 EE Offline OR, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 3:59:21 PM EST [:K]

Mr-T Joined Aug 2001 Posts 222 EE Offline CA, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 3:59:42 PM EST Interesting. I've never heard the ATF do this sort of thing before.

Keekleberrys Member Joined Jul 2001 Posts 1044 EE Offline USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:01:59 PM EST thats an affirmative on the [:K]
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Boomer Joined Feb 2001 Posts 2038 EE Offline WA, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:02:31 PM EST [:K]

MillerSHO Joined Nov 2001 Posts 529 EE Offline OR, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:02:56 PM EST No way I don't buy it! There's no way they would just "let" you have after paying for the transfer. From what you said, you gave them the rifle to hold onto until the stamp came, you probably just payed for those 2 guys tabs for the next 2 nights. I don't buy it.

DScott Joined Nov 2000 Posts 1648 EE Offline USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:04:58 PM EST The things people will do for attention...

Ponyboy Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 2659 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:06:01 PM EST So, what for did you have to fill out and have the CLEO sign?
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Jim_Dandy Joined Apr 2001 Posts 1172 EE Offline OK, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:06:27 PM EST Yeah, the ATF came to my house and spoke with my wife, Morgan Fairchild, whom I've slept with. Yeah, that's the ticket.

stratsandaks Member Joined Jul 2001 Posts 177 EE Offline MD, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:08:24 PM EST Here we go again. [rolleyes]

ChrisLe Member Joined Nov 2000 Posts 264 EE Offline NY, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:08:25 PM EST Smells like.. Looks like.. Walks like.. Talks like... Yup, its a...... [:K]
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hessem16 Joined Jun 2002 Posts 4 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:09:18 PM EST When I said "them" I meant the ATF. I have to mail in my forms with the $200 just like everyone else. The agents gave me a confirmation number to put on the forms so that the post 86 weapon will be approved. I am not a troll.

hessem16 Joined Jun 2002 Posts 5 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:10:40 PM EST Form 4

bung Joined Jan 2001 Posts 1436 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:11:31 PM EST Yeah well, one time at band camp I killed 327 ninjas and it was totally sweet!

sgtar15

Joined Jan 2001
Posts 2309
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CA, USA

Posted: 6/10/2002 4:14:07 PM EST

[Last Edit: 6/10/2002 4:17:21 PM EST by sgtar15]

Originally Posted By hessem16: I was worried that my Hesse M16 I bought last week was illegal after the discussion on this board. The BATF sent two agents to my house within 15 minunts of the call I made.

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Were the hell were they...in the parking lot? 15 minutes is fast!

They demanded to see the rifle and about two seconds later they told my that it was illegal and they asked who I purchased it from.

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So it is illegally made or transfered? I am not expert but I don't think Heese ever made an M16. Plus you said it was made one year and modified into full auto the next year...that doesnt happen.

I showed them my reciept and they said that they had had [i]other reports of that man selling Sten MK-IIs that he built himself at the same gun show for $750.[/i]

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So this gun dealer has a history of selling illegally modified Sten Kits but you still think your gun is legal?

They then told me no charges would be filed since I cooperated, told the truth, and turned in the man who sold it to me. [/qoute] Get a lawyer, I aint buying this.

They also told me that for a reward I could keep the rifle if I paid THEM the transfer tax and gave them the rifle until my stamp came in the mail (provided I could get a cheif LEO to sign off).

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So you have a illegally modified AR15 and you think the ATF will let you keep it? No F3cking way is this going to happen. Either your story is completely made up, which I think it is, or the ATF has just found the biggest fool alive!!

They also told my that the dealer who sold me the rifle would have to return the $1200 I gave him for the rifle. So, I thanked them, gave them my rifle for the time being, visited my CLEO, and got the papers signed! So for all you that think I am a TROLL, I am NOT. But I did just screw the ATF into giving my a post sample M-16 for $200!

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Now you want us to believe that you got most of the paperwork done over the weekend?? No Government agency works that fast. I aint buying any of this. [:K] [:K] [:K] Sgtar15 Edited: If by any chance this story is real, I would say those two agents will be keeping the rifle for themselves.

caveman Joined Nov 2001 Posts 111 EE Offline NC, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:14:54 PM EST UUUHHHH...[:\]...Yeah, right.

shotar

Member

Joined May 2001
Posts 635
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OH, USA

Posted: 6/10/2002 4:14:58 PM EST

In general I can go along with calling the ATF for a scumbag illegal dealer. I can also see that there is immunity for turning in an illegal weapon voluntarily. I can also see getting the guy's money back through forfeiture after arrest or court ordered restitution. What I can't see is the US government breaking the law and authorizing the transfer into private hands of a post sample machine gun.

Trusting your life to the benevolence of an armed criminal is not a strategy, it is stupid!

B-O-G Joined May 2002 Posts 31 EE Offline AZ, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:15:23 PM EST [Last Edit: 6/10/2002 4:24:37 PM EST by level3] I'm an ATF agent, so if this happens to you again, you can save a phone call and just contact me via IM, I will come over and take the M16 and $200 until the approval and then get back in touch with you. Edited to add: I will also give you a special confirmation number to make everything ok.

shooter220 Member Joined Jan 2002 Posts 6 EE Offline VA, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:17:16 PM EST I never knew that it was possible to not only BLATANTLY violate the law, admit to it, then sweet talk the ATF into GIVING you the evidence. I wish I had the cajones to try to skirt the law like that

Glock31 Joined Jan 2002 Posts 52 EE Offline KY, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:17:48 PM EST Welcome back Blaze

riddler Joined Nov 2000 Posts 831 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:18:37 PM EST Just too many holes in this tale.

GAcop Member Joined Jun 2002 Posts 13 EE Offline GA, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:20:28 PM EST My BS meter just went off the scale![rolleyes]
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NOVA5 Joined Mar 2001 Posts 464 EE Offline SC, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:21:54 PM EST Originally Posted By hessem16: I was worried ... I did just screw the ATF into giving my a post sample M-16 for $200! View Quote okay lay of the crack jack, put down the pipe and walk away. and dont touch that stuff again. you have been trolled.

thedave1164 Member Joined Nov 2001 Posts 616 EE Offline CO, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:22:50 PM EST Dude, you got better stuff to smoke than they sell in Boulder..... sorry but I have to say [:K]
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Kevin Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts 3541 EE Offline FL, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:33:17 PM EST Originally Posted By B-O-G: I'm an ATF agent, so if this happens to you again, you can save a phone call and just contact me via IM, I will come over and take the M16 and $200 until the approval and then get back in touch with you. Edited to add: I will also give you a special confirmation number to make everything ok. View Quote Buh-Bye!!!!!!!! [:D]
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Yankee1911

Joined Dec 2001
Posts 293
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CO, USA

Posted: 6/10/2002 4:37:09 PM EST

I haven't been around here too long, but do people like hessem16 always seem to show up around the time middle school ends for the summer? I've noticed the trend on Usenet and other places, as well. Dude, shouldn't you at least be trying to BS your way into a date (with a girl, this time), rather than trying to BS people who are fully aware that you're full of sh!t?

hessem16 Joined Jun 2002 Posts 6 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:37:09 PM EST Fuck You you sorry bastards. I don't understand why you have to bash others who got a bad ass deal. Jealous, I guess. I am NOT a MOTHER FUCKING TROLL, you COCK SUCKING CUM DRINKING ASS HOLES!

AR-SNIPER-15 Joined Jan 2001 Posts 528 EE Offline AZ, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:38:23 PM EST Thats a great idea buy stolen weapons turn people in get the weapon for $200 and get the money back also. Yeah Right [:K]

brouhaha Member Joined May 2001 Posts 3443 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:42:15 PM EST [Last Edit: 6/10/2002 4:42:57 PM EST by brouhaha] Originally Posted By hessem16: Fuck You you sorry bastards. I don't understand why you have to bash others who got a bad ass deal. Jealous, I guess. I am NOT a MOTHER FUCKING TROLL, you COCK SUCKING CUM DRINKING ASS HOLES! View Quote Well, [:K]...that post just sealed your fate here.
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Kevin Member Joined Feb 2001 Posts 3543 EE Offline FL, USA	Posted: 6/10/2002 4:44:24 PM EST Oh man, two in one night!!!! Who's next? [:D]
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