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Posted: 8/7/2014 7:20:46 PM EDT
"As Senator, one of my goals is to be as accessible as possible to all Virginians. That's why we hold "Kaine Connects" office hours across the Commonwealth so you can meet with members of my staff, ask questions and get assistance in your hometown. Take a look at our upcoming Kaine Connects and where we've been so far. I encourage you to make an appointment, but you're always welcome to stop by."

Constituents get 15 minutes with the senator. Yeah, I know he is a progressing-towards-socialism douche, but he doesn't have to know that I know that.

I'd like to talk him about the Mara Salvatrucha-13 gang members that are sneaking into this country in the current wave of "unaccompanied minors" at the border. I'm concerned that even if 100,000 UAC's are admitted, only 10,000 will be cute, cuddly waifs, and 20,000 will be murdering, rapist, extortionist hard core gang bangers who will triple the homicide rate of every town that is forced to accept them once they are released into general populace.

I figure he will engage in small talk for 3 minutes, filibuster and repeat his talking points for 5 of those minutes, then let me talk enough to figure out whether I accept the "party line," before filibustering again.

Help me prep for this. I know the subject cold, but I don't want to get too wonky. Help me organize my own talking points.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:32:19 PM EDT
Keep repeating ,"secure the border with a physical barrier."
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:40:40 PM EDT
Show him the video of how the Hughes amendment was passed.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:41:07 PM EDT
It will be an Aide.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:42:44 PM EDT
Tax system is fucked right now, probably opposite reasons than he thinks though....
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:42:58 PM EDT



How many times can you punch him in 15 minutes?


Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:45:28 PM EDT
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At least you actually get to talk to your elected representatives; so you're at least looking at them while they're actively not listening to you.

My US Senators local office is down the street, and the only time I've called them about something I get an office lackey, and e-mails to Senators and Representatives are met with form letters.
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Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:49:01 PM EDT
Ask him how his "preps" are. Ask him if he knows how pissed off people are. Ask him if he has plenty of ammo. Ask him if he has considered what will happen if the cops don`t come because they have no gas for their cars. Ask him if he has a big enough supply of his meds. Ask him how much a gallon of milk is. Ask him to go to a local walmart with you and observe the checkout line with you as people use the EBT. Ask him why your vote was canceled out by an illegal alien voting in your stead. Ask him why food prices are still going up from yesterday. Ask him why his hands are so soft. Does he use lotion or has he never worked a day in his life. You know,,,,,push him. Treat him like we are treated. He won`t give a fuck who you are or what you think anyway. So why not have an impact.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:49:31 PM EDT
Ask him why nobody hears from politicians until it's an election year, then they all care.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:51:27 PM EDT
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Donate to their campaigns. I meet with mine all the time.
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Originally Posted By Deej86:
At least you actually get to talk to your elected representatives.

My US Senators local office is down the street, and the only time I've called them about something I get an office lackey, and e-mails to Senators and Representatives are met with form letters.


Donate to their campaigns. I meet with mine all the time.


I took some great advice from my wonderful FIL.." I stopped writing them checks and started writing them letters"
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Donate to their campaigns. I meet with mine all the time.
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Originally Posted By Deej86:
At least you actually get to talk to your elected representatives.

My US Senators local office is down the street, and the only time I've called them about something I get an office lackey, and e-mails to Senators and Representatives are met with form letters.


Donate to their campaigns. I meet with mine all the time.


he's right. contributors get more access . In theory that shouldn't be the case, but we don't live in fantasy land.
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Link Posted: 8/7/2014 7:58:56 PM EDT
Have fun talking to his intern for 15 minutes
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:02:26 PM EDT
talk about stop adding ethanol
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How many times can you punch him in 15 minutes?


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Best idea yet!
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:06:13 PM EDT
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Have fun wasting your time speaking with a flunkie who lost that day's coin toss and has to meet with the constituents that her boss hates.

If you want some background prep, you could read this nice article from the Chicago Tribune, of all places, that sheds some light on how federal lawlessness is negatively impacting the state he supposedly represents: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-us-classrooms-prepare-for-flood-as-migrants-become-pupils-20140712-story.html#page=1

But seriously, spend your 15 minutes elsewhere. On something productive. Like weeding. Or scratching yourself.

Those people hate you.

They don't want to see your face, let alone hear anything that you have to say.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:12:33 PM EDT
whatdifferencedoesitmake.jpg???
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:17:34 PM EDT
Are you going to OC?
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:21:13 PM EDT
Tell him I hate him
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:45:21 PM EDT

Tim Kaine is a corrupt, sycophantic and ignorant as hell piece of dishonest shit.

Share that with him for fifteen minutes.



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Keep repeating ,"secure the border with a physical barrier."
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Yeah an unguarded wall always helps.

Good luck OP but don't expect much.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:48:27 PM EDT
Give him a big 'ole fuck you for me. Or his intern or whatever represents him.
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Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:55:59 PM EDT
I didnt know they had senators in nicaragua. You learn something new everyday.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 8:58:31 PM EDT
I bet a good present for him would be a some chocolate shaped like a gun. He's probably real busy though so make sure to run up to him real quick and inform him you have a gun for him.
Link Posted: 8/7/2014 9:00:37 PM EDT
Ask him why Israel can build a massive border that is secure from everything but tunneling (which is a lot harder, more costly, and more time consuming than just hoping over a small fence) but the richest and most powerful nation in the history of the world simply cannot do it.
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he's right. contributors get more access . In theory that shouldn't be the case, but we don't live in fantasy land.
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I work a job that deducts taxes out of my pay. Some of that tax goes to their pay.

I vote for a representative. If I partially pay his salary and have a say in whether or not he gets to keep his job, I shouldn't have to throw more money at him to get him to listen to someone who is essentially, his boss.
Link Posted: 8/8/2014 7:42:49 PM EDT
Update?
Link Posted: 8/8/2014 8:22:31 PM EDT
Don't ask questions, you will just be disappointed or angered by the response or lack of response.

Instead, tell him everything you want him to hear. Tell in rapidly & non-stop. Don't pause, don't allow him to answer or interject. He is a professional talker. If he gets the floor he will own the conversation.
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Drove about an hour to a library south on the country road a half hour north of Lynchburg. The meeting were in a small multi-purpose room off to the side of the main entrance. There was a table with one of those portable display things about the Senator and announcing the meeting. There were chairs along the wall for people to wait. There was another table with the aide, her note taking gear, and a laptop.

I arrived about 10 minutes early, but the 1:45pm appointment was running long, and I had to wait for 2:00pm to start and finish. 2:00pm worked or managed a clinic in the area whose patients really relied on federal programs to pay for their medical bills, and whose clinics wanted more taxpayer money to stay in business.

I dressed in "business casual" (suit, but no tie), brought a briefcase for my notes, as well as a couple of my legal immigrant relatives. The aide was female and African-American, articulate, engaging, and attractive, but her hair was done up in Predator/spaghetti/Medusa style so she was more like MSNBC Melissa Harris Perry than any of the Nubian uber-babes that Fox News hires.

Got my turn. Nice, polite introductions, and then she had her note pad out. When I handed her my business card, I think she was impressed. Senator Kaine has been careful, almost cagey, on the immigration issue, so when I asked some the questions other posters suggested, she had to go to a website to give me his position. Kaine likes to pepper the word "humanitarian" into his public statements about the crisis. He hasn't come out strongly in favor of DACA or comprehensive immigration reform. He wants to "study" and "monitor" the situation on the border.

I brought out some of the information I picked up during my recent trips to the region. I explained that, while "immigration reform" is sometimes discussed in our news, in the Spanish language media, it constantly discussed. When our politicians say "immigration reform" the people in the region hear "amnesty." When they hear the word "amnesty" they somehow find the money to pay the human smugglers to get their kids up here.

She asked if it was poverty that was driving the waves of immigrants. I said, if they are so poor, where do they find the $10,000 to pay the smugglers?

Would it not be cheaper if returned the kids to their country of origin, and if we are concerned about their safety, we could put them secure camps while we process their claims for asylum?

Pointing out my immigrant relatives sitting along the wall of the room, I asked, is it "not fair," and aren't we doing an "injustice" to those legal immigrants who "play by the rules" and pay thousands of dollars and wait years for their visa, to let these people come to the head of the line? Surely, the senator can't support a solution that rewards "line cutters?"

I pointed out that UACs who are being released from custody with a "notice to appear" (for a court date to evaluate their asylum claims) are a) allowed to board airplanes by TSA using it as their only means of ID and b) not showing up for their court dates.

I pointed out that one was released last month, and within a space of 10 days, he was picked up by border patrol in Texas, released with his notice to appear, went to Louisiana, killed his baby momma and two kids that belonged to her (through another father), and kidnapped the two kids that he had with her.

She took about two pages of notes. Almost a page was devoted to writing down questions that she didn't have answers to, but would get back to me with answers.

Another page was devoted to what I had to tell her about the potential for our communities to be flooded with Central American gang members. Example: if only 5% of the UACs are gang members, but we let 100k into the country, we are unleashing 5,000 hardened, hyper-violent, murderers (membership for most MS-13 and 18th Street cliques requires 'jumping in" and killing someone), who have learned they can make a living through extortion, murder those who refuse to pay in gruesome ways, and average about 2-3 rapes a month. El Salvador is averaging about 15 murders a day, most of them gang related. How could Richmond, Virginia, cope is New York City cops could not handle 5 murders a day.

I pointed out that many small towns in Virginia have small police departments and sheriffs offices. My county has no police and only 40 or so deputies. If 5 of these gang members were settled in my county, and they started recruiting in our junior and high schools, and they decided to live off of extortion rackets, how long would it be before life in our county became the same third world hell hole these people escaped from?

I pointed out that their technique is to come into the US without papers, create a new identity, and lie about their age. The illegals who only want to violate our immigration and identity theft laws, pretend to be 16 or 17 (even though they are older) to get a free high school education. The violently criminal illegals want access to our high schools, so they can recruit for their gangs.

She said that the senator supported US funding of anti-crime efforts in the region. I explained to her how one country negotiated a "truce" with the gangs to bring the murder rate from 15 a day to 10 a day, and bribed the gangs with cushy prison conditions for the gangs' "board of directors," and used "stimulus" money to bribe gang members into not killing each other and to target welfare payments to support the "baby mommas" and kids of imprisoned gang members...kinda like our AFDC/Aid to Families with Dependent Children, but an "Aid to Families of Detained Gangbangers."

I spoke quick, I kept on message, and I made sure I paused so she could take notes and ask questions. She was not prepped on this topic so I had to give some backstory. Most importantly, I kept to the time limit and brought the session to an end before the allotted time ran out.

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Originally Posted By SIRIUS1:

Tim Kaine is a corrupt, sycophantic and ignorant as hell piece of dishonest shit.

Share that with him for fifteen minutes.



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Ask him what its like to ride obamas coat tails. Ask him why he votes the party line and doesnt listen to his constituents.

Fuck Timmah, oh and you wont see the Jr Senator from Va in person you will see an aide, maybe his chief of staff if you are lucky.
Link Posted: 8/9/2014 7:55:51 AM EDT
Then she carefully filed those notes into a round file.
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Drove about an.......the session to an end before the allotted time ran out.

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Update?


Drove about an.......the session to an end before the allotted time ran out.




Well Done Sir!
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Perhaps, but it was in the same bound book she was taking notes from everyone else.

But Kaine will now have to think about the 2nd and 3rd order effects of allowing this horde in might have on his future re-elections.

Link Posted: 8/9/2014 8:04:07 AM EDT
Would have been more effective to sing that "What What In The Butt" song for 15 straight minutes.
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Perhaps, but it was in the same bound book she was taking notes from everyone else.

But Kaine will now have to think about the 2nd and 3rd order effects of allowing this horde in might have on his future re-elections.

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Then she carefully filed those notes into a round file.


Perhaps, but it was in the same bound book she was taking notes from everyone else.

But Kaine will now have to think about the 2nd and 3rd order effects of allowing this horde in might have on his future re-elections.



Hey, I applaud you for trying. I'm just jaded and have given up on our politicians.
Link Posted: 8/9/2014 7:56:50 PM EDT
Thanks for trying. You never know what might make a difference.
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Considering that the other folks that came before and after me were there to ask for helping in getting gov't handouts, I think I stood out.
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Perhaps, but it was in the same bound book she was taking notes from everyone else.

But Kaine will now have to think about the 2nd and 3rd order effects of allowing this horde in might have on his future re-elections.

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I agree and thanks for putting the effort into a well reasoned argument.
Link Posted: 8/10/2014 9:00:22 AM EDT
Wrap your opinion with $100 bills. It sounds that much more convincing that way. Failing that, you are SOL when it comes to affecting change!

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Yeah there's a good one. ....
Link Posted: 8/10/2014 3:31:30 PM EDT

got this on the internet. Can't say how much is true or if the figures are current, but........................

I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting
Denver last week. Hernandez said, "illegal aliens pay rent, buy
groceries, buy clothes. What Happens to your country's economy if 20
million people go away?"

Hummm, I thought, what would happen, so I did my due diligence, buried
my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below.

It's a good question it deserves an honest answer. Over 80% of
Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But
what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America ? The
answers I found may surprise you!

In California , if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico ,
it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school
systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave
highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand
one another as English became the dominant language again.

In Colorado , 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and
grandchildren would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico . That would
save Colorado an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion)
annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and
incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of
Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the
terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens.
Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not
have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% dropout/flunk rate
because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different
languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our grid locked
cities in Colorado . Denver 's 4% unemployment rate would vanish as
our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida , 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back
to America , the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago , Illinois , 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free
experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would
return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American
citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of
taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would
result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected
annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in
American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that
degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded
schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost
of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more
than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members
who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our
country.

In cities like L.A. , 20,000 members of the ' 18th Street Gang' would
vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft
from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways
and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American
deaths by illegal aliens!

America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get
rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home
countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money
untaxed, which further drains America 's economy which currently
suffers an $8.7 trillion debt. $8.7 trillion debt.

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country,
costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in
California , Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of
being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the
EMTOLA Act.

Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant
in our country-brought in by illegals un-screened at our borders.

Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and
grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the
horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11% of our
greenhouse gases.

Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and
along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in
what the New York Times called, 'colonias' or new neighborhoods.
Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where
grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and
worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, roads,
electricity, or any kind of sanitation.

The New York Times reported them to be America 's new ' Third World '
inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate,
they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them
personally in Texas and Arizona ; it's sickening beyond anything you
can imagine.)

By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico . We
should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries
and/or make a better life in Mexico . We already invite a million
people into our country legally more than all other countries combined
annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more
anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in
our nation. It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our
civilization and our way of life.

Interesting Statistics!

Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope
they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many
times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare
to illegal aliens.(that's Billion with a 'B')

2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance
programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal
aliens.

3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they still cannot
speak a word of English!

5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal
aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a year.

7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for
welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. -

9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in
the US .

11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were
middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine,
meth, heroine, crack, Guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S.from
the southern border.

12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back
to their countries of origin, to their families and friends.

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex
crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States !


Total cost a whopping $538.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!
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How many times can you punch him in 15 minutes?


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Enough times to go to prison?
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I like where your head is at, my friend.
Link Posted: 8/10/2014 3:36:26 PM EDT
Ask him if he has read Term Limits, by Vince Flynn.
Link Posted: 8/10/2014 3:40:06 PM EDT
Just ask him to remove Barry's cock from his mouth.
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Best idea yet!
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How many times can you punch him in 15 minutes?




Best idea yet!


This doesn't sound too bad to me, either. You'll probably want to find a way to secure the door before you start...






Don't actually do that; you won't like the way it ends.
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