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Posted: 9/24/2004 8:31:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 8:34:17 PM EST by Blackgun_Fun]
I am constantly amazed at the "rules" my daughter keeps coming home and complaining & telling me about. Here is a short sampling of modern 5th grade school rules.

Which one pisses you off the most?

1. You must play with everyone; no one can be excluded from your group, or game you are playing. If a kid you don't like walks up and says, "I want to play", you must let him/her play or be "written up" (disciplinary action).

2. The color RED may not be used to correct other student’s papers in class. Only blue, purple or green is allowed. (Red is considered to "critcal" or "harsh") I have a feeling political motivation may be behind this one.

3. If any kid laughs at another for ANY reason (tripping, goofing up, spilling something...etc.) other than basically telling a joke - the whole CLASS is punished by missing recess time.

4. Lunch Seating - there must be an approximate 50/50 boy-girl mix at lunch tables. Grouping is not allowed. Lunchroom supervisors routinely "redistribute" students to other tables.

5. It seems as if about 80% of their history lessons are about slavery, immigrants, and other cultures celebrations and traditions. My daughter tells me that people of color (any color other than white) are "special." I have to remind her that SHE is special too - not just people of other races.
She can tell you all about "Kwanza"(sp?), and "Cinco de Mayo" (sp?) - but does not know about the Boston Tea Party, any real details about the 4th of July, Veterans Day, even the reason for Christmas is brushed over. WTF? (I have had to explain all of these American holidays to her)

6. Playing "Cops and Robbers", "Cowboys and Indians", or any other kind of "combative" make-believe is prohibited. Using your hand to make a "gun" shape will get your parents called and kicked out for a day.

7. Students get "playground points" (time credits to save up and use for extended recess time) for reporting kids breaking any of these rules.

8. If a student feels unhappy about a test score, or has had their feelings hurt in some way - they have immediate access to a "counselor". In fact, meeting with a counselor once a week is mandatory - even if the child does not have anything to talk about.

9. Parents are encouraged to pack a "standardized" lunch for their kids to limit what I can only explain as "lunch envy." The reason for this is to be sensitive to children that may not have as many "goodies" as others.

10. Children may not give any of thier "goodies" (candy bars, candy, chips...ect.) to other students. They are told "If share with one, you must share with all."

11. If you offend someone "accidentally" (I have no idea how they determine "accidental"), and the child reports it - the "offender" must meet with the other child and make/give them a "I am sorry card." The cards are then posted on the "Compassion Board". They stay up in the classroom until the "offended person" decides to take it down. The class is encouraged to give this person special treatment and "encouragement" until they feel good enough to "accept" the apology card, and take it down from the bulletin board.

More to come......




Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:33:48 PM EST
thats the brave new schools that have come around these days.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:34:09 PM EST
And they wonder why some kids go in shooting
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:34:16 PM EST
I teach my kids whats right and they speak their minds in school.
I love the comments their teachers make.
Oh......so YOU'RE his father.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:35:14 PM EST
WEIRD. They're trying to socially engineer children instead of letting them be the cruel selfish little monsters they are.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:35:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
And they wonder why some kids go in shooting



No kidding....
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:36:41 PM EST
I could list osme BS I heard in school but Im kinda tired to remember all of it now.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:37:13 PM EST
i'm glad i'm outta grade school (kinda)

but i did not have to put up w/ NONE of those stupid rules
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:37:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Blackgun_Fun:
4. Lunch Seating - there must be an approximate 50/50 boy-girl mix at lunch tables. Grouping is not allowed. Lunchroom supervisors routinely "redistribute" students to other tables.




This one is really bullshit. I remember when I was in grade school I thought girls were yucky.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:39:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
I teach my kids whats right and they speak their minds in school.
I love the comments their teachers make.
Oh......so YOU'RE his father.



Good for you...I do the same, but she is affraid to say anything about it to the teachers. That is MY job
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:40:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
WEIRD. They're trying to socially engineer children instead of letting them be the cruel selfish little monsters they are.


Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:41:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:
I could list osme BS I heard in school but Im kinda tired to remember all of it now.



Bring it on when you are rested up....I would like to read them.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:44:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Blackgun_Fun:

Originally Posted By Taxman:
I could list osme BS I heard in school but Im kinda tired to remember all of it now.



Bring it on when you are rested up....I would like to read them.




A few quick ones.

Someone invented a car that ran on just water, but Oil companies took it.

Lots of mixed enviro stuff

How many major people in history were gay.

Sex in relation to just about anything in 11th grade lit.

The classic ways the white man holds people down.

How Michael Jackson is so great and everything is lies.

How the Kennedys are the American Royal Famaily.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:45:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By BYU:

Originally Posted By raven:
WEIRD. They're trying to socially engineer children instead of letting them be the cruel selfish little monsters they are.





I agree...LOL...kids can be mean. But I think kids need a "little" of this...it prepares them for the real world.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:45:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Blackgun_Fun:
I am constantly amazed at the "rules" my daughter keeps coming home and complaining & telling me about. Here is a short sampling of modern 5th grade school rules.

Which one pisses you off the most?

1. You must play with everyone; no one can be excluded from your group, or game you are playing. If a kid you don't like walks up and says, "I want to play", you must let him/her play or be "written up" (disciplinary action).

2. The color RED may not be used to correct other student’s papers in class. Only blue, purple or green is allowed. (Red is considered to "critcal" or "harsh") I have a feeling political motivation may be behind this one.

3. If any kid laughs at another for ANY reason (tripping, goofing up, spilling something...etc.) other than basically telling a joke - the whole CLASS is punished by missing recess time.

4. Lunch Seating - there must be an approximate 50/50 boy-girl mix at lunch tables. Grouping is not allowed. Lunchroom supervisors routinely "redistribute" students to other tables.

5. It seems as if about 80% of their history lessons are about slavery, immigrants, and other cultures celebrations and traditions. My daughter tells me that people of color (any color other than white) are "special." I have to remind her that SHE is special too - not just people of other races.
She can tell you all about "Kwanza"(sp?), and "Cinco de Mayo" (sp?) - but does not know about the Boston Tea Party, any real details about the 4th of July, Veterans Day, even the reason for Christmas is brushed over. WTF? (I have had to explain all of these American holidays to her)

6. Playing "Cops and Robbers", "Cowboys and Indians", or any other kind of "combative" make-believe is prohibited. Using your hand to make a "gun" shape will get your parents called and kicked out for a day.

7. Students get "playground points" (time credits to save up and use for extended recess time) for reporting kids breaking any of these rules.

8. If a student feels unhappy about a test score, or has had their feelings hurt in some way - they have immediate access to a "counselor". In fact, meeting with a counselor once a week is mandatory - even if the child does not have anything to talk about.

9. Parents are encouraged to pack a "standardized" lunch for their kids to limit what I can only explain as "lunch envy." The reason for this is to be sensitive to children that may not have as many "goodies" as others.

10. Children may not give any of thier "goodies" (candy bars, candy, chips...ect.) to other students. They are told "If share with one, you must share with all."

11. If you offend someone "accidentally" (I have no idea how they determine "accidental"), and the child reports it - the "offender" must meet with the other child and make/give them a "I am sorry card." The cards are then posted on the "Compassion Board". They stay up in the classroom until the "offended person" decides to take it down. The class is encouraged to give this person special treatment and "encouragement" until they feel good enough to "accept" the apology card, and take it down from the bulletin board.

More to come......





Don't forget every child must bring a list of the supplies for the group. That way the disadvantaged aren't left out. Socialism you got love it!
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:46:48 PM EST
You have listed but ONE of the MANY reasons I do NOT want to, now, OR EVER, have children.

Stainless
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:50:19 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:50:27 PM EST
No wonder kids today are so built up, and full of hate! First off they don't let kids be kids anymore. Getting picked on only makes you stronger, and finding a way to get revenge for being picked on only makes you smarter.

What a fucking joke! Oh you forgot to mention that they basicly force feed these kids Ridilin(?) so they don't cause any "problems"

What happens when these kids enter the REAL world?
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:50:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By georgiarebel6165:

Don't forget every child must bring a list of the supplies for the group. That way the disadvantaged aren't left out. Socialism you got love it!



YES!!!! I forgot that one. I had to "donate" 3 boxes of Kleenex, and one box of "baby wipes." I asked my little girl where she keeps her stuff and she replies, "Oh, it is not for me, it is for the whole class. The teacher puts them in the "Cold" closet."
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:52:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 8:53:46 PM EST by Blackgun_Fun]

Originally Posted By GC456:
No wonder kids today are so built up, and full of hate! First off they don't let kids be kids anymore. Getting picked on only makes you stronger, and finding a way to get revenge for being picked on only makes you smarter.

What a fucking joke! Oh you forgot to mention that they basicly force feed these kids Ridilin(?) so they don't cause any "problems"

What happens when these kids enter the REAL world?



+1 EXACTLY...The DU is trying to form the world they will live in by teaching them to accept this manor of dealing with things (and feeling bad about everything) as normal.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:53:28 PM EST
Gee.... do I have to list just one?


Where to start?



I would have chosen one, but I'd hate to have one of the other equally important rules feel "excluded", or "not special"
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:53:56 PM EST
Homeschool lessons:

1) Mag-u-zine

2) Muzzle; Owie, no-touch

3) Sling

4) Grip

5) Stock

6) Sight

7) Barrel

8) Ra-seev-er

9) Trigger

10) Cartrige

*Break for breakfast*

Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz etc.


Jacey hit me. Well, hit her back! Don't start fights but always finish them!

12345678910 etc.

*Break for lunch*

Play time

Papa comes home from work!

"Papa, lets punch!"

I like my kid's school better. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:57:58 PM EST
In 3rd grade, the teacher had to pay for school supplies for the kids b/c very few parents would buy their kids supplies.

In 8th grade, you were NOT allowed to fight back if you were attacked. You would be suspended for fighting.

Now, I want to find some of the kids that picked on me and beat the crap out of THEM.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:58:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By Blackgun_Fun:

Originally Posted By GC456:
No wonder kids today are so built up, and full of hate! First off they don't let kids be kids anymore. Getting picked on only makes you stronger, and finding a way to get revenge for being picked on only makes you smarter.

What a fucking joke! Oh you forgot to mention that they basicly force feed these kids Ridilin(?) so they don't cause any "problems"

What happens when these kids enter the REAL world?



+1 EXACTLY...The DU is trying to form the world they will live in by teaching them to accept this manor of dealing with things (and feeling bad about everything) as normal.




The sad part is in 20 years all that crap WILL be normal, (hell some of it is already)
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:07:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By 87gn:
In 3rd grade, the teacher had to pay for school supplies for the kids b/c very few parents would buy their kids supplies.

In 8th grade, you were NOT allowed to fight back if you were attacked. You would be suspended for fighting.

Now, I want to find some of the kids that picked on me and beat the crap out of THEM.



They started telling us (late 70's grade school) that kind of stuff as well. I remember thinking WTF? Someone punches me in the mug, and keep repeating the act, so I hit back to stop it and I AM THE ONE IN TROUBLE????
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:25:21 PM EST
I loved the rewards for tattling program. What a great way to prepare kids for service to the all powerful state.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:26:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
I loved the rewards for tattling program. What a great way to prepare kids for service to the all powerful state.



Teaching people to Narc isnt a good thing thats for sure, alot of people dont look well if someone narcs.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:29:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
I loved the rewards for tattling program. What a great way to prepare kids for service to the all powerful state.




Yea just like the "Turn in a gunowner" program!
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:36:26 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:41:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By GC456:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
I loved the rewards for tattling program. What a great way to prepare kids for service to the all powerful state.




Yea just like the "Turn in a gunowner" program!



"Now, pay attention class. If your daddy has a gun... please raise your hand. Now, where does he keep those guns? Are they 'evil looking'? Are they black? OK, the rest of you can leave. Those with their hands up will meet with Mr. ATF man right after class."

S
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:46:44 PM EST
in school its better to just ignore their bullshit and do what you want anyway
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:58:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Rand:
in school its better to just ignore their bullshit and do what you want anyway



Thats what I did. Constantly in trouble, almost kicked out several times, and now when I look back its no wonder I was such a terror.... I was friggin bored to death! No Challange whatsoever!!! And I turned out just fine!
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 10:08:26 PM EST
This was a couple of years ago, but my son got suspended from 7th grade for defending himself, after another kid had teased and bullied him for several weeks. Funny how they wont do anything when the problem starts, (which we told them about at the time,) but they are more than willing to punish after the fact. I always taught my kids not to start a fight, but they sure have the right to defend themselves when necessary.

My kid and the offender were both suspended for 3 days, I made it a point to defend his actions in front of the teachers and principal, and I took him out for lunch to his favorite place to eat and did other fun things while he was suspened.

Funny, that kid never gave him any problems after that
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 10:10:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 10:12:03 PM EST by Zaphod]
Which one pisses me off the most?

DARWINISM!






In all sincerity, I don't even want to think about that now. I'll just suffer a brain hemorage, and I need to vote in November....
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 10:15:20 PM EST
I fought a lot in school, at a private school, but they didnt kick anyone out for anything, until a lawyer threatened to sue the school for allowing a student to sexually harass his daughter. The sick fuck did that to everyone, boys included. For $10k a year you got a free pass.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 10:33:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/25/2004 8:44:40 AM EST by Ragnaroc]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I fought a lot in school, at a private school, but they didnt kick anyone out for anything, until a lawyer threatened to sue the school for allowing a student to sexually harass his daughter. The sick fuck did that to everyone, boys included. For $10k a year you got a free pass.



Some private schools are where all the rich parents send their screwed-up kid's to straighten them out. Problem being, you end up introducing a bunch of mess-ups with money to each other.
Needless to say, it was good times.

Back on track though, I absolutely abhor the state getting involved in what should be a parent's job.
On the other side, there are too many fucked up, souless, conscience-less parents out there today.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 10:55:40 PM EST
My 6 year old daughter made me proud today. She walked in the room and saw Kerry on the TV. She said, "John Kerry needs to roll over and quit."
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 11:00:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 11:15:55 PM EST by Master_Blaster]

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
I loved the rewards for tattling program. What a great way to prepare kids for service to the all powerful state.



Took the words out of my mouth.

7. Students get "playground points" (time credits to save up and use for extended recess time) for reporting kids breaking any of these rules.

"There's a good jr. nazi." Stalin would be proud. If this isn't tin-foil hat fodder, I can't imagine what is.

This is ugly. No wonder kids lose it later in their teenage years. Too much pent-up frustration & inability to cope w/ the greater reality that suddenly hits them once they escape from the craddle.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 11:02:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By MiG-21:
My 6 year old daughter made me proud today. She walked in the room and saw Kerry on the TV. She said, "John Kerry needs to roll over and quit."



That's pretty cool.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 11:02:43 PM EST
Blackgun_Fan, even though everything you listed turns my stomach ... what bothers me the most out of what you said is this;


5. It seems as if about 80% of their history lessons are about slavery, immigrants, and other cultures celebrations and traditions. My daughter tells me that people of color (any color other than white) are "special." I have to remind her that SHE is special too - not just people of other races.
She can tell you all about "Kwanza"(sp?), and "Cinco de Mayo" (sp?) - but does not know about the Boston Tea Party, any real details about the 4th of July, Veterans Day, even the reason for Christmas is brushed over. WTF? (I have had to explain all of these American holidays to her)



I have a HUGE problem with that. If that's the direction history classes are heading, soon kids won't even have a reason to be proud to be American. They'll be self-pitying drones under some globalized government.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 11:05:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 11:05:54 PM EST by MiG-21]

Originally Posted By Ragnaroc:

Originally Posted By MiG-21:
My 6 year old daughter made me proud today. She walked in the room and saw Kerry on the TV. She said, "John Kerry needs to roll over and quit."



That's pretty cool.



It is. I had to laugh, so she got mad and asked why I was laughing at her. I told her I was just laughing because she had it figured out better than a lot of grown-ups.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 11:59:52 PM EST
Are you in the P.R.O.C. Peoples Republic Of California
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 12:29:07 AM EST
WHAT??? "The color RED may not be used to correct other student’s papers in class. Only blue, purple or green is allowed. (Red is considered to "critcal" or "harsh") I have a feeling political motivation may be behind this one."?


When I was a teacher's aide, I remember red to correct student's papers. Red is my #1 favorite color.
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 12:40:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By GC456:
No wonder kids today are so built up, and full of hate! First off they don't let kids be kids anymore. Getting picked on only makes you stronger, and finding a way to get revenge for being picked on only makes you smarter.

Only to a point.

Perhapse im missing your point, but school bullys touch a nerve with me.
I was the scrawny timmid kid everybody picked on in grammer school.

That shit has the opposite effect on me.



Link Posted: 9/25/2004 1:35:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Homeschool lessons:

1) Mag-u-zine

2) Muzzle; Owie, no-touch

3) Sling

4) Grip

5) Stock

6) Sight

7) Barrel

8) Ra-seev-er

9) Trigger

10) Cartrige

*Break for breakfast*

Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz etc.


Jacey hit me. Well, hit her back! Don't start fights but always finish them!

12345678910 etc.

*Break for lunch*

Play time

Papa comes home from work!

"Papa, lets punch!"

I like my kid's school better. Planerench out.



We home school, also. My 3rd grader and quote the preamble, send e-mail, write cursive, and darn sure knows ALL the AMERICAN holidays. They have never even heard of 'Quanza: (?) and sinko de mayo is when the Hellmans falls in tub of water.

Home schooling is demanding, but my kids are worth it.
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 1:37:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Stainless:

Originally Posted By GC456:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
I loved the rewards for tattling program. What a great way to prepare kids for service to the all powerful state.




Yea just like the "Turn in a gunowner" program! hr


"Now, pay attention class. If your daddy has a gun... please raise your hand. Now, where does he keep those guns? Are they 'evil looking'? Are they black? OK, the rest of you can leave. Those with their hands up will meet with Mr. ATF man right after class."

S




YEP Believe this, Folks


That's how they get kids to rat out their parents in Cuba.
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 2:15:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Blackgun_Fun:
I am constantly amazed at the "rules" my daughter keeps coming home and complaining & telling me about. Here is a short sampling of modern 5th grade school rules.

Which one pisses you off the most?

1. You must play with everyone; no one can be excluded from your group, or game you are playing. If a kid you don't like walks up and says, "I want to play", you must let him/her play or be "written up" (disciplinary action).

2. The color RED may not be used to correct other student’s papers in class. Only blue, purple or green is allowed. (Red is considered to "critcal" or "harsh") I have a feeling political motivation may be behind this one.

3. If any kid laughs at another for ANY reason (tripping, goofing up, spilling something...etc.) other than basically telling a joke - the whole CLASS is punished by missing recess time.

4. Lunch Seating - there must be an approximate 50/50 boy-girl mix at lunch tables. Grouping is not allowed. Lunchroom supervisors routinely "redistribute" students to other tables.

5. It seems as if about 80% of their history lessons are about slavery, immigrants, and other cultures celebrations and traditions. My daughter tells me that people of color (any color other than white) are "special." I have to remind her that SHE is special too - not just people of other races.
She can tell you all about "Kwanza"(sp?), and "Cinco de Mayo" (sp?) - but does not know about the Boston Tea Party, any real details about the 4th of July, Veterans Day, even the reason for Christmas is brushed over. WTF? (I have had to explain all of these American holidays to her)

6. Playing "Cops and Robbers", "Cowboys and Indians", or any other kind of "combative" make-believe is prohibited. Using your hand to make a "gun" shape will get your parents called and kicked out for a day.

7. Students get "playground points" (time credits to save up and use for extended recess time) for reporting kids breaking any of these rules.

8. If a student feels unhappy about a test score, or has had their feelings hurt in some way - they have immediate access to a "counselor". In fact, meeting with a counselor once a week is mandatory - even if the child does not have anything to talk about.

9. Parents are encouraged to pack a "standardized" lunch for their kids to limit what I can only explain as "lunch envy." The reason for this is to be sensitive to children that may not have as many "goodies" as others.

10. Children may not give any of thier "goodies" (candy bars, candy, chips...ect.) to other students. They are told "If share with one, you must share with all."

11. If you offend someone "accidentally" (I have no idea how they determine "accidental"), and the child reports it - the "offender" must meet with the other child and make/give them a "I am sorry card." The cards are then posted on the "Compassion Board". They stay up in the classroom until the "offended person" decides to take it down. The class is encouraged to give this person special treatment and "encouragement" until they feel good enough to "accept" the apology card, and take it down from the bulletin board.

More to come......







Holy shit... do you live in North Korea?
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 2:23:58 AM EST
If/When I have kids, they will be sent to the nuns with a note saying "you may spank this child as needed." They will also be involved in at least one martial art, and be taken shooting from the day they can safely handle a kiddie .22. I'll send him/her to school with only #2 pencils and "fine-tip" blood-red Sharpies.

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 2:51:14 AM EST
P.C. taken to extremes. Blackgun_Fun you are in the midst of a Chairman Mao type education system. If you want to raise a stable productive youngster you should seriously consider relocating your child to America
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 3:00:51 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 3:21:44 AM EST
Wow! so now I know why little Johnny can't read, the teachers spend more time enforcing these stupid rules instead of teaching.

If they spent just half the time teaching instead of worrying about who is going to be offended or get their feelings hurt our kids would all be geniuses(sp?)

But no!! We have to be sure that Kunta Kinte and Paco Panza and Randall Limpwrist feel loved and accepted. Bullshit!!

I say teach the f*%#ing class!! and let kids be kids, let them sort out their problems like we did, anything outside of major bleeding or brain damage is a bonus.
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