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Posted: 10/20/2004 1:41:32 AM EST
http://www.subguns.com/boards/sword.cgi?read=443312

YOUR GUN RIGHTS TO BE ATTACKED ON WEDNESDAY

On Wednesday morning, 20 October, IL Attorney General Lisa Madigan will be
joined by IL State Senator John Cullerton and IL State Representative Karen
May at a press conference during which they will introduce the "2005
ILLINOIS ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN." This proposed legislation will include bans
on most, if not all, semiautomatic rifles, shotguns, and handguns. It will
also ban black powder rifles and any other firearm having a bore of .50
caliber or greater. The legislation will also require you to turn in your
guns to the police or face forced confiscation.

THINGS YOU MUST DO IMMEDIATELY:
1. Call Attorney General Madigan's offices at (312) 814-3000 AND (217)
782-1090 and tell the operator to tell Lisa Madigan that you are a
law-abiding supporter of the 2nd Amendment and that you resent her attack on
your rights.

2. Call Senator John Cullerton's offices at (217) 782-7260 AND (773)
883-0770 and tell the operator that you are a law-abiding supporter of the
2nd Amendment and that you OPPOSE Cullerton's Assault Weapons Ban.

3. Call Representative Karen May's offices at (217) 782-0902 AND (847)
831-5858 and tell the operator that you are a law-abiding supporter of the
2nd Amendment and that you OPPOSE May's Assault Weapons Ban.

4. Pass this alert along to all your friends and tell them to make those
phone calls NOW.

5. Please post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards that you
may belong to.

GREET GUN GRABBER OBAMA IN DOWNERS GROVE

Rabid gun grabber and Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate, Barack Obama,
will be making a whistle stop at the Downers Grove METRA station at
approximately 5:00 PM on Wednesday, 20 October. We would like all area gun
owners to be on hand to give Obama a "rousing" welcome to Downers Grove.
Please be on hand at the train station before 5:00 PM. Be prepared to
shout, holler and give gun grabber Obama a piece of your mind. The local
Republican Headquarters is located at 5150 S. Main, they will have signs and
other things you can wave at Obama.

REMEMBER: Gun Control is a disease...YOU are the cure!!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 2:18:41 AM EST
Is Illinois State legislature liberal enough to pass such an anti-constitutional bill?
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 2:33:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 4:21:16 AM EST
bmp
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 4:22:54 AM EST
in IL, aren't your gun rights attacked everyday?
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 4:26:00 AM EST
I'm convinced that I'm gonna lose all possible chances to purchase decent firearms while I'm stuck in Afghanistan. That hosenob is from my hometown Downers Grove. Luckily when I get back I'll be purchasing from Tennessee or Kentucky, but I'm still not convinced that I'll have that right when I get back home.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 4:31:38 AM EST
Great gobs of goose shit!

I have liked Chicago every time I have visited, but I would never live there.

Forget seperation of church and state, vote yes for seperation of city and state.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 4:43:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By chetchat:
http://www.subguns.com/boards/sword.cgi?read=443312

YOUR GUN RIGHTS TO BE ATTACKED ON WEDNESDAY

On Wednesday morning, 20 October, IL Attorney General Lisa Madigan will be
joined by IL State Senator John Cullerton and IL State Representative Karen
May at a press conference during which they will introduce the "2005
ILLINOIS ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN." This proposed legislation will include bans
on most, if not all, semiautomatic rifles, shotguns, and handguns. It will
also ban black powder rifles and any other firearm having a bore of .50
caliber or greater. The legislation will also require you to turn in your
guns to the police or face forced confiscation.

THINGS YOU MUST DO IMMEDIATELY:
1. Call Attorney General Madigan's offices at (312) 814-3000 AND (217)
782-1090 and tell the operator to tell Lisa Madigan that you are a
law-abiding supporter of the 2nd Amendment and that you resent her attack on
your rights.

2. Call Senator John Cullerton's offices at (217) 782-7260 AND (773)
883-0770 and tell the operator that you are a law-abiding supporter of the
2nd Amendment and that you OPPOSE Cullerton's Assault Weapons Ban.

3. Call Representative Karen May's offices at (217) 782-0902 AND (847)
831-5858 and tell the operator that you are a law-abiding supporter of the
2nd Amendment and that you OPPOSE May's Assault Weapons Ban.

4. Pass this alert along to all your friends and tell them to make those
phone calls NOW.

5. Please post this alert to any and all Internet bulletin boards that you
may belong to.

GREET GUN GRABBER OBAMA IN DOWNERS GROVE

Rabid gun grabber and Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate, Barack Obama,
will be making a whistle stop at the Downers Grove METRA station at
approximately 5:00 PM on Wednesday, 20 October. We would like all area gun
owners to be on hand to give Obama a "rousing" welcome to Downers Grove.
Please be on hand at the train station before 5:00 PM. Be prepared to
shout, holler and give gun grabber Obama a piece of your mind. The local
Republican Headquarters is located at 5150 S. Main, they will have signs and
other things you can wave at Obama.

REMEMBER: Gun Control is a disease...YOU are the cure!!



Anyone got a link to the language of the bill yet?????
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 7:51:17 AM EST
No text yet.

I assume it's the same bill they've been trying to jam on us for the last 5 years.
All EBR's banned, mandatory turn in, etc. A seperate bill for ".50 caliber Armor Piercing Rifles".

The Chicago anti's may be powerful, but Illinois ain't Kali. We're gonna kick the crap outa them..... again!!!!!

I just called thec IL-AG's Chgo office. They've either switched off the phone system or there are so many calls mine was dumped into the voicemail box.

We knew they were gonna try and ressurect this crap during the Fall Veto Session next month.
I guess they're getting the media-hysteria train warmed up.

CKMorley
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 7:59:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2004 8:00:58 AM EST by drjarhead]
THE SECOND AMENDMENT: Use it or lose it!


They seem to think that they only have to cram some unconstitutional law down our throats and we will turn our guns in? Way past time for us to make a stand and if this goes thru then the time is NOW.



Fuck 'em. We're the ones with the guns.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:10:23 AM EST
I will never regret leaving Illinois. Good riddance.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:18:46 AM EST
Dammit, and I just found a job I actually like in this stoopid state. You would think after the first FIVE TIMES it got shot down they would realize the people of this state actually want to own firearms.

Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:24:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By NAM:
I will never regret leaving Illinois. Good riddance.



That's the way I feel everytime I drive thru. I hate that fucking state and it is difficult to imagine why anybody would live there. The Southern part of the state is really nice and so are the people. They have my sympathy.

Sadly, so many flock here. Either for the Welfare benefits or because they are sick of living in Chicago. So they come here and try to make it like....Chicago!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:32:42 AM EST


I'd like to actually see the language. I can't imagine that this bill could possibly pass or at the very least be enforced.

But in a way, I almost wonder if something like this would be a good thing (in the long run) to happen on a state level (rather than federal level) first. I wonder if THEN it would finally become obvious to all the sportsmen/hunters out there who think that they will never have to worry about their guns being taken away, that it CAN and WILL happen unless they do something about it. Then, finally, there might be a big backlash against the gun grabbers...

...no, that would probably be too good to be true
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:33:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Dammit, and I just found a job I actually like in this stoopid state. You would think after the first FIVE TIMES it got shot down they would realize the people of this state actually want to own firearms.




Those who would throw away the Constitution and impose a neofascist, socialist state only have to win once. We have to win EVERY time. That is difficult and explains why it is so easy, and almost inevitable, that we will lose our freedom. We must remain ever vigilant and also make sure that they understand that we are ready to fight them on EVERY level. We don't necessarily have to fight but we must make them realize that we are willing, ready and able. Deep down the socialists are all pussies. They count on us eradicating one another, some of us doing their bidding under the guise of "Constitutional Law" and law enforcement, the rest of us trying to save the country. They are wrong on so many levels. The .mil would desert and flock to us within days. LEOs? Another story but enough would, I believe. When the time comes to bloody their nose it will need to be done with strength and audacity.

Fuck 'em. We're the ones with the guns.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:39:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Dammit, and I just found a job I actually like in this stoopid state. You would think after the first FIVE TIMES it got shot down they would realize the people of this state actually want to own firearms.




Those who would throw away the Constitution and impose a neofascist, socialist state only have to win once. We have to win EVERY time. That is difficult and explains why it is so easy, and almost inevitable, that we will lose our freedom. We must remain ever vigilant and also make sure that they understand that we are ready to fight them on EVERY level. We don't necessarily have to fight but we must make them realize that we are willing, ready and able. Deep down the socialists are all pussies. They count on us eradicating one another, some of us doing their bidding under the guise of "Constitutional Law" and law enforcement, the rest of us trying to save the country. They are wrong on so many levels. The .mil would desert and flock to us within days. LEOs? Another story but enough would, I believe. When the time comes to bloody their nose it will need to be done with strength and audacity.

Fuck 'em. We're the ones with the guns.



True, but we could apply that same logic.
Keep trying to remove the Import ban, and the Machine Gun legislation.
We only have to succeed once.
Let's start expanding our rights.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 8:49:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:


I'd like to actually see the language. I can't imagine that this bill could possibly pass or at the very least be enforced.



It HAS happened! There are AWB's in 7 states, and in Kalifornia, the ban on SKS's did require many people to surrender their firearms to the state or become labeled as an instant felon. If I remember correctly, the state sent notices to people's homes informing them that they must turn in their firearms of face prosecution.


But in a way, I almost wonder if something like this would be a good thing (in the long run) to happen on a state level (rather than federal level) first. I wonder if THEN it would finally become obvious to all the sportsmen/hunters out there who think that they will never have to worry about their guns being taken away, that it CAN and WILL happen unless they do something about it. Then, finally, there might be a big backlash against the gun grabbers...




No, allowing the state to impose any level of gun control is never a good thing. As stated above, 7 states have assault weapons bans, and in some states there has been confiscation of privately owned firearms. There has been no such backlash against the gun grabbers.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 9:06:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2004 9:08:58 AM EST by NewbHunter]

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:


I'd like to actually see the language. I can't imagine that this bill could possibly pass or at the very least be enforced.



It HAS happened! There are AWB's in 7 states, and in Kalifornia, the ban on SKS's did require many people to surrender their firearms to the state or become labeled as an instant felon. If I remember correctly, the state sent notices to people's homes informing them that they must turn in their firearms of face prosecution.


But in a way, I almost wonder if something like this would be a good thing (in the long run) to happen on a state level (rather than federal level) first. I wonder if THEN it would finally become obvious to all the sportsmen/hunters out there who think that they will never have to worry about their guns being taken away, that it CAN and WILL happen unless they do something about it. Then, finally, there might be a big backlash against the gun grabbers...




No, allowing the state to impose any level of gun control is never a good thing. As stated above, 7 states have assault weapons bans, and in some states there has been confiscation of privately owned firearms. There has been no such backlash against the gun grabbers.



But did those state laws ban "hunting" firearms that the "sportsmen" and "hunters" use? Such as pump action shotguns? Bolt action rifles? I would imagine that if they did there would be a large outcry (I would hope anyway).

The point I was trying to make is that there are a LOT of hunters and "sportsmen" out there (like the ones that support Kerry!!!) who don't understand what they are letting happen to themselves and something needs to happen to wake these people up!

In other words, if the gun grabbers jump the gun and try and take too much too quickly, then suddenly these "sportsmen" might realize there is a problem before it's too late. Kind of like turning up the heat too fast on the boiling frog. It might jump out.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 9:17:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:


I'd like to actually see the language. I can't imagine that this bill could possibly pass or at the very least be enforced.



It HAS happened! There are AWB's in 7 states, and in Kalifornia, the ban on SKS's did require many people to surrender their firearms to the state or become labeled as an instant felon. If I remember correctly, the state sent notices to people's homes informing them that they must turn in their firearms of face prosecution.


But in a way, I almost wonder if something like this would be a good thing (in the long run) to happen on a state level (rather than federal level) first. I wonder if THEN it would finally become obvious to all the sportsmen/hunters out there who think that they will never have to worry about their guns being taken away, that it CAN and WILL happen unless they do something about it. Then, finally, there might be a big backlash against the gun grabbers...




Well this one includes black powder guns so it should pull in some of the "hunters" and "sportsmen" I know we have a lot of guys from illinois at our club who are black powder shooters, and use them for hunting and such. So htis could help to kill this attempt.
No, allowing the state to impose any level of gun control is never a good thing. As stated above, 7 states have assault weapons bans, and in some states there has been confiscation of privately owned firearms. There has been no such backlash against the gun grabbers.



But did those state laws ban "hunting" firearms that the "sportsmen" and "hunters" use? Such as pump action shotguns? Bolt action rifles? I would imagine that if they did there would be a large outcry (I would hope anyway).

The point I was trying to make is that there are a LOT of hunters and "sportsmen" out there (like the ones that support Kerry!!!) who don't understand what they are letting happen to themselves and something needs to happen to wake these people up!

In other words, if the gun grabbers jump the gun and try and take too much too quickly, then suddenly these "sportsmen" might realize there is a problem before it's too late. Kind of like turning up the heat too fast on the boiling frog. It might jump out.

Link Posted: 10/20/2004 9:18:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:


I'd like to actually see the language. I can't imagine that this bill could possibly pass or at the very least be enforced.



It HAS happened! There are AWB's in 7 states, and in Kalifornia, the ban on SKS's did require many people to surrender their firearms to the state or become labeled as an instant felon. If I remember correctly, the state sent notices to people's homes informing them that they must turn in their firearms of face prosecution.


But in a way, I almost wonder if something like this would be a good thing (in the long run) to happen on a state level (rather than federal level) first. I wonder if THEN it would finally become obvious to all the sportsmen/hunters out there who think that they will never have to worry about their guns being taken away, that it CAN and WILL happen unless they do something about it. Then, finally, there might be a big backlash against the gun grabbers...




No, allowing the state to impose any level of gun control is never a good thing. As stated above, 7 states have assault weapons bans, and in some states there has been confiscation of privately owned firearms. There has been no such backlash against the gun grabbers.



But did those state laws ban "hunting" firearms that the "sportsmen" and "hunters" use? Such as pump action shotguns? Bolt action rifles? I would imagine that if they did there would be a large outcry (I would hope anyway).

The point I was trying to make is that there are a LOT of hunters and "sportsmen" out there (like the ones that support Kerry!!!) who don't understand what they are letting happen to themselves and something needs to happen to wake these people up!



These people know what is going on, they just choose to ignore it since it doesn't effect them directly. Remember, this is a segment of the population who next to the true RKBA has been under rabid attack from the left. The hunters have had to defend hunting and preserve hunting lands, and defend hunting programs for years. They know that incrementalism is encroaching on the RKBA types, the same way it is encroaching on them. They just choose not to side with us.


In other words, if the gun grabbers jump the gun and try and take too much too quickly, then suddenly these "sportsmen" might realize there is a problem before it's too late. Kind of like turning up the heat too fast on the boiling frog. It might jump out.


That is why they are only going after assualt weapons. Divide and conqueor. Disarm the true RKBA crowd first, then eliminate the hunting lands and hunting programs, and then hunters will have no where to run.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 9:23:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Dammit, and I just found a job I actually like in this stoopid state. You would think after the first FIVE TIMES it got shot down they would realize the people of this state actually want to own firearms.




Those who would throw away the Constitution and impose a neofascist, socialist state only have to win once. We have to win EVERY time. That is difficult and explains why it is so easy, and almost inevitable, that we will lose our freedom. We must remain ever vigilant and also make sure that they understand that we are ready to fight them on EVERY level. We don't necessarily have to fight but we must make them realize that we are willing, ready and able. Deep down the socialists are all pussies. They count on us eradicating one another, some of us doing their bidding under the guise of "Constitutional Law" and law enforcement, the rest of us trying to save the country. They are wrong on so many levels. The .mil would desert and flock to us within days. LEOs? Another story but enough would, I believe. When the time comes to bloody their nose it will need to be done with strength and audacity.

Fuck 'em. We're the ones with the guns.



True, but we could apply that same logic.
Keep trying to remove the Import ban, and the Machine Gun legislation.
We only have to succeed once.
Let's start expanding our rights.



Well, at least it has happened twice. This last time was a win for gunowners and that does lead to optimism. I agree, though, we have the momentum right now and should follow thru. If GWB gets re-elected we should go after the 68 GCA first. If we can get that one to fall all the rest go away except the NFA and MG law. The states of course are another story. It will take a SCOTUS decision for that and, IMO is a slam dunk, but the courts have made some pretty bad decisions in the past.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 10:14:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Dammit, and I just found a job I actually like in this stoopid state. You would think after the first FIVE TIMES it got shot down they would realize the people of this state actually want to own firearms.




Those who would throw away the Constitution and impose a neofascist, socialist state only have to win once. We have to win EVERY time. That is difficult and explains why it is so easy, and almost inevitable, that we will lose our freedom. We must remain ever vigilant and also make sure that they understand that we are ready to fight them on EVERY level. We don't necessarily have to fight but we must make them realize that we are willing, ready and able. Deep down the socialists are all pussies. They count on us eradicating one another, some of us doing their bidding under the guise of "Constitutional Law" and law enforcement, the rest of us trying to save the country. They are wrong on so many levels. The .mil would desert and flock to us within days. LEOs? Another story but enough would, I believe. When the time comes to bloody their nose it will need to be done with strength and audacity.

Fuck 'em. We're the ones with the guns.



True, but we could apply that same logic.
Keep trying to remove the Import ban, and the Machine Gun legislation.
We only have to succeed once.
Let's start expanding our rights.



Well, at least it has happened twice. This last time was a win for gunowners and that does lead to optimism. I agree, though, we have the momentum right now and should follow thru. If GWB gets re-elected we should go after the 68 GCA first. If we can get that one to fall all the rest go away except the NFA and MG law. The states of course are another story. It will take a SCOTUS decision for that and, IMO is a slam dunk, but the courts have made some pretty bad decisions in the past.



Actually if the GCA68 goes so does 9229(0) IIRC it is actually modifies the GCA68 eventhough it was a part of the FOPA86. If that is the case than if the GCA68 goes, so does the MGban. But i could be wrong, I have been before. I'd still rather see the import ban (89) go first. but thats actually a modification of GCA68 too isn't it.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 10:16:52 AM EST
For Immediate Release
Contact: Melissa Merz
312-814-3118
877-844-5461 (TTY)
mmerz@atg.state.il.us
October 20, 2004

MADIGAN, DEVINE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAWMAKERS, ADVOCATES CALL FOR GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO PASS ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN

Chicago – Attorney General Lisa Madigan today urged the General Assembly to pass a state assault weapons ban. This legislation would ban the manufacture of non-sporting, “cop killer” assault weapons that are designed with military features to allow rapid spray firing, as well large capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

The 1994 federal ban, which expired on September 13, prohibited the manufacture of 19 semi-automatic assault weapons and any semi-automatic firearm with at least two specified military features and the ability to accept a detachable magazine. It also banned production of ammunition clips holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition except for police or military use. Assault weapons and ammunitions clips holding more than 10 rounds manufactured before September 13, 1994, were “grandfathered” under the federal ban and have continued to be legally sold and possessed during the period of the ban.

The federal ban was passed in large part because many police across the nation in the 1980s reported that semi-automatic assault weapons had become the “weapon of choice” for criminals. This year, when the ban was up for renewal, both of Illinois' U.S. Senators voted to extend the federal ban. However, Congress failed to pass the measure. In anticipation of the non-renewal of the federal ban, State Sen. John Cullerton and State Rep. Karen May sponsored a bill to return Illinois to pre-September 13 status when it comes to assault weapons.

Madigan was expected to be joined at the news conference by Cook County State's Attorney Richard Devine, Senator Cullerton and other lawmakers, law enforcement leaders, including Hiram Grau, Chicago Police Department Deputy Supt., Bureau of Investigations, Gurnee Police Chief and incoming President of the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police Bob Jones, Oak Park Chief Rick Tanksley, President of the West Suburban Chiefs of Police and Bellwood Police Chief Gregory Moore.

“Ten years ago, Congress wisely passed the assault weapons ban to protect law enforcement officers and our communities from weapons that have no legitimate civilian use. Ten years later, however, special interests have persuaded Washington to allow these dangerous weapons to return to our streets,” Madigan said. “Washington has turned its back on protecting law enforcement and our communities. Illinois should not put its law enforcement officers at risk one more day. Criminals do not need more firepower on our streets.”

Madigan noted that seven states, including Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Hawaii, Massachusetts and California, have enacted their own assault weapons ban. In six other states, including Illinois, legislators have introduced bills to establish a ban at the state level.

“This legislation simply extends a law which has been on the books for 10 years,” Cullerton said. “My plan is to fine tune and strengthen the law in the next General Assembly.

“I have no quarrel with hunters who want to go after deer or ducks,” Devine said. “But I do have a quarrel with allowing on the street the type of deadly assault weapon that killed Tsarina Powell. We all should have a quarrel with that.” Tsarina Powell, 12, was killed in July 2000 with an AK-47 assault rifle.

“If you talk to any community member in some of Chicago's most challenged neighborhoods, they would tell you they want fewer assault weapons on their streets, not more,” Grau said. “By establishing a new ban on these deadly weapons, we're taking one more step toward building safer communities.”

“By allowing these assault weapons on these streets, we have the potential of putting officers and communities at greater risk than need be. Such action also will have a negative impact on the quality of life in every community across the country,” Jones said. “The criminal element has us outgunned on the streets. People must take a responsible position on issues that affect the safety of law enforcement and their communities.”
“We are pleased to see that Attorney General Madigan is willing to take a leadership role on this issue, which is something that was clearly absent from our leadership in Washington,” sadi Beth Coolidge, Chairman of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. “We look forward to working with her and members of the General Assembly to ensure that this issue gets the full consideration and debate it deserves.”



Link Posted: 10/20/2004 10:21:00 AM EST
This release has so many holes in it, it'll never pass.
Does it mean "post bans" would still be legal?
How about post Sept 13 no-bans ????

These dorks haved no idea what they're taking about.

They can fool the cops into supporting it.
They can fool the inner city twits into supporting it under the guise of fighting gangs.
But they'll not fool us.

CKMorley
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 12:03:14 PM EST
BUMP


Just called Culerton, May and Madigan.

The receptionist at the AG's office sounds like she's been busy. When I said I was calling about the press realease, she said "you're oppossed, right ?"


Keep calling .....

CKMorley
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 3:39:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By CKMorley:
For Immediate Release
Contact: Melissa Merz
312-814-3118
877-844-5461 (TTY)
mmerz@atg.state.il.us
October 20, 2004

MADIGAN, DEVINE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAWMAKERS, ADVOCATES CALL FOR GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO PASS ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN

Chicago – Attorney General Lisa Madigan today urged the General Assembly to pass a state assault weapons ban. This legislation would ban the manufacture of non-sporting, “cop killer” assault weapons that are designed with military features to allow rapid spray firing, as well large capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.


Madigan was expected to be joined at the news conference by Cook County State's Attorney Richard Devine, Senator Cullerton and other lawmakers, law enforcement leaders, including Hiram Grau, Chicago Police Department Deputy Supt., Bureau of Investigations, Gurnee Police Chief and incoming President of the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police Bob Jones, Oak Park Chief Rick Tanksley, President of the West Suburban Chiefs of Police and Bellwood Police Chief Gregory Moore.

“Ten years ago, Congress wisely passed the assault weapons ban to protect law enforcement officers and our communities from weapons that have no legitimate civilian use. Ten years later, however, special interests have persuaded Washington to allow these dangerous weapons to return to our streets,” Madigan said. “Washington has turned its back on protecting law enforcement and our communities. Illinois should not put its law enforcement officers at risk one more day. Criminals do not need more firepower on our streets.”

Madigan noted that seven states...

“This legislation simply extends a law which has been on the books for 10 years,” Cullerton said. “My plan is to fine tune and strengthen the law in the next General Assembly.

“I have no quarrel with hunters who want to go after deer or ducks,” Devine said. “But I do have a quarrel with allowing on the street the type of deadly assault weapon that killed Tsarina Powell. We all should have a quarrel with that.” Tsarina Powell, 12, was killed in [b]July 2000 with an AK-47 assault rifle.

“If you talk to any community member in some of Chicago's most challenged neighborhoods, they would tell you they want fewer assault weapons on their streets, not more,” Grau said. “By establishing a new ban on these deadly weapons, we're taking one more step toward building safer communities.”

“By allowing these assault weapons on these streets, we have the potential of putting officers and communities at greater risk than need be. Such action also will have a negative impact on the quality of life in every community across the country,” Jones said. “The criminal element has us outgunned on the streets. People must take a responsible position on issues that affect the safety of law enforcement and their communities.”



Funny - July 2000 - wasn't the AWB in effect then?

BTW, the IlACP if just as non-reflective of reality of beat cops as it's big brother organization (pun intended), the I(nternational)ACP
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 3:45:32 PM EST
I got through to Madigan today, but Cullerton and May no one answered the phone. Later on, I was able to leave a message for Cullerton.

I am so tired of this crap!
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 3:49:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tango7:

Originally Posted By CKMorley:
For Immediate Release
Contact: Melissa Merz
312-814-3118
877-844-5461 (TTY)
mmerz@atg.state.il.us
October 20, 2004

MADIGAN, DEVINE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAWMAKERS, ADVOCATES CALL FOR GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO PASS ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN

Chicago – Attorney General Lisa Madigan today urged the General Assembly to pass a state assault weapons ban. This legislation would ban the manufacture of non-sporting, “cop killer” assault weapons that are designed with military features to allow rapid spray firing, as well large capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.


Madigan was expected to be joined at the news conference by Cook County State's Attorney Richard Devine, Senator Cullerton and other lawmakers, law enforcement leaders, including Hiram Grau, Chicago Police Department Deputy Supt., Bureau of Investigations, Gurnee Police Chief and incoming President of the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police Bob Jones, Oak Park Chief Rick Tanksley, President of the West Suburban Chiefs of Police and Bellwood Police Chief Gregory Moore.

“Ten years ago, Congress wisely passed the assault weapons ban to protect law enforcement officers and our communities from weapons that have no legitimate civilian use. Ten years later, however, special interests have persuaded Washington to allow these dangerous weapons to return to our streets,” Madigan said. “Washington has turned its back on protecting law enforcement and our communities. Illinois should not put its law enforcement officers at risk one more day. Criminals do not need more firepower on our streets.”

Madigan noted that seven states...

“This legislation simply extends a law which has been on the books for 10 years,” Cullerton said. “My plan is to fine tune and strengthen the law in the next General Assembly.

“I have no quarrel with hunters who want to go after deer or ducks,” Devine said. “But I do have a quarrel with allowing on the street the type of deadly assault weapon that killed Tsarina Powell. We all should have a quarrel with that.” Tsarina Powell, 12, was killed in [b]July 2000 with an AK-47 assault rifle.

“If you talk to any community member in some of Chicago's most challenged neighborhoods, they would tell you they want fewer assault weapons on their streets, not more,” Grau said. “By establishing a new ban on these deadly weapons, we're taking one more step toward building safer communities.”

“By allowing these assault weapons on these streets, we have the potential of putting officers and communities at greater risk than need be. Such action also will have a negative impact on the quality of life in every community across the country,” Jones said. “The criminal element has us outgunned on the streets. People must take a responsible position on issues that affect the safety of law enforcement and their communities.”



Funny - July 2000 - wasn't the AWB in effect then?

BTW, the IlACP if just as non-reflective of reality of beat cops as it's big brother organization (pun intended), the I(nternational)ACP



In every letter that I sent to my politicians asking them to oppose the AWB, I included a story from the news of a drug dealer using an AK-47 to shoot up a crack house and murder 3 people. I make the point that criminals are still committing murders with banned assault weapons, while the rights of law abiding citizens are restricted.

However, since every single one of my elected officials (with the exception of President Bush) is rabidly anti-gun, my logic falls on deaf ears.
Link Posted: 10/20/2004 6:11:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/20/2004 6:14:05 PM EST by photoman]

Originally Posted By Tango7:

Originally Posted By CKMorley:
For Immediate Release
Contact: Melissa Merz
312-814-3118
877-844-5461 (TTY)
mmerz@atg.state.il.us
October 20, 2004

MADIGAN, DEVINE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAWMAKERS, ADVOCATES CALL FOR GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO PASS ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN

Chicago – Attorney General Lisa Madigan today urged the General Assembly to pass a state assault weapons ban. This legislation would ban the manufacture of non-sporting, “cop killer” assault weapons that are designed with military features to allow rapid spray firing, as well large capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.


Madigan was expected to be joined at the news conference by Cook County State's Attorney Richard Devine, Senator Cullerton and other lawmakers, law enforcement leaders, including Hiram Grau, Chicago Police Department Deputy Supt., Bureau of Investigations, Gurnee Police Chief and incoming President of the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police Bob Jones, Oak Park Chief Rick Tanksley, President of the West Suburban Chiefs of Police and Bellwood Police Chief Gregory Moore.

“Ten years ago, Congress wisely passed the assault weapons ban to protect law enforcement officers and our communities from weapons that have no legitimate civilian use. Ten years later, however, special interests have persuaded Washington to allow these dangerous weapons to return to our streets,” Madigan said. “Washington has turned its back on protecting law enforcement and our communities. Illinois should not put its law enforcement officers at risk one more day. Criminals do not need more firepower on our streets.”

Madigan noted that seven states...

“This legislation simply extends a law which has been on the books for 10 years,” Cullerton said. “My plan is to fine tune and strengthen the law in the next General Assembly.

“I have no quarrel with hunters who want to go after deer or ducks,” Devine said. “But I do have a quarrel with allowing on the street the type of deadly assault weapon that killed Tsarina Powell. We all should have a quarrel with that.” Tsarina Powell, 12, was killed in [b]July 2000 with an AK-47 assault rifle.

“If you talk to any community member in some of Chicago's most challenged neighborhoods, they would tell you they want fewer assault weapons on their streets, not more,” Grau said. “By establishing a new ban on these deadly weapons, we're taking one more step toward building safer communities.”

“By allowing these assault weapons on these streets, we have the potential of putting officers and communities at greater risk than need be. Such action also will have a negative impact on the quality of life in every community across the country,” Jones said. “The criminal element has us outgunned on the streets. People must take a responsible position on issues that affect the safety of law enforcement and their communities.”





Funny - July 2000 - wasn't the AWB in effect then?

BTW, the IlACP if just as non-reflective of reality of beat cops as it's big brother organization (pun intended), the I(nternational)ACP

No no no, more like, there such a threat yet they had to go back 4 years to find a child who was murdered by somone using an AK47. Don't ya think if one had happened since than they would have brought that one up instead. And besides that, shouldn't the laws have kept the gun out of the hands of the [erson who used it. A person who was proabably legaly not able to have it in the first place. How fuckiing dumb people have to be to bite and swallow the bullshit these people feed them
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 4:00:39 AM EST
Gave them my .02 yesterday. They did say that they were receiving quite a few unfavorable comments to the legislation.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:02:45 AM EST
Ha! That's exactly what I was thinking as I read that.



Originally Posted By TomJefferson:
"If we pass this gun owner registration program, the anti-gun people will leave us alone."

Chicago needs to be it's own state.

Tj

Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:08:07 AM EST
California needs to be removed from the union, because I guarantee as much shit as they've legislated they'd collapse in a manner of months and come CRAWLING back to us begging for help. I'd say yes on the condition they shut their mouths and play by the rules of the constitution from here on out. If they don't, well...... the wolves are looking mighty hungry today.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:20:16 AM EST
These proposed laws are a PERSONAL attack on your (IL citizens) rights and personal safety, and the safety of your family and community.

These people (the politicians that propose this) wish to disarm you in the face of an ever more dangerous world, while Islamofascists continue to pour into our country and organize their evil plans against us.

This crap must be put down asap.
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:21:34 AM EST
Can we get some email links for a fire mission? also a tack would be nice also.

The Anti's are coming back, time to reload and keep up the fight.

Moving is not the answer, what would you do if this was your state? take a few minutes of your time make a call or two.

We fought 10 years to win this battle, lets not lose the war.

FREE
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:48:07 AM EST
Phone #'s for Culerton:


Senator John J. Cullerton (D) - Co Chairperson
6th District

Springfield Office:
Senator 6th District
111 Capitol Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-7260
(217) -217 FAX
District Office:
1051 West Belmont
Chicago, IL 60657
(773) 883-0770
(773) 296-0993 FAX
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 5:53:59 AM EST
Phone #'s for Rep. May

Representative Karen May (D)
58th District


Springfield Office:
255-S Stratton Office Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-0902
District Office:
210 Skokie Valley Road
Suite 12
Highland Park, IL 60035
(847) 831-5858
(847) 831-3454 FAX
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:02:06 AM EST
Bump......

Let's ruin their weekend
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 6:07:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2004 6:08:29 AM EST by CKMorley]
ILLINOIS GUNOWNERS (and friends) HERE IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO SAVE YOUR GUNS:

1. Call the following Senators and thank them nicely for their past support of the right to keep and bear arms. Tell them that you are against ANY SORT OF GUN BAN and that you would like them to vote against it when it comes before the Judiciary Committee
- Sen. Clayborne (217) 782-5399
- Sen. Haine (217) 782-5247
- Sen. Petka (217) 782-0422
- Sen. Roskam (217) 782-8022
- Sen. Winkel (217) 782-2507
- Sen. Dillard (217) 782-8148

2. Call the following Senators and politely tell them that you OPPOSE ANY GUN BANS and that you would like them to vote against ANY SORT OF GUN BAN when it comes before the Judiciary Committee.
- Sen. Cullerton (217) 782-7260
- Sen. Harmon (217) 782-8176
- Sen. Obama (217) 782-5338
- Sen. Silverstein (217) 782-5500

Remember to be polite.

3. Call your own Illinois State Senator. If you do not know who your Senator is, go to this web site: http://www.legis.state.il.us/ and click on the "legislator lookup" link in the lower right hand corner of that web page. From there, follow the directions and your Senator will be listed.

4. Please pass this message along immediately to your gun owning friends and ask them to make the same phone calls.

5. Please post this message to any and all Internet bulletin boards to which you may belong.
Don't delay...make those calls now!
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 10:47:27 AM EST
Found the following - FYI

from http://www.banassaultweapons.org/document.cfm?documentID=22.

Fellow ILLS, look at it. This is the type of crap they're using to try to disarm us.


In July 2000, 12-year-old Tsarina Powell was killed while sleeping in her bedafter Michael Barnes allegedly fired more than two dozen rounds from an AK-47assault rifle into her home. Prosecutors allege Barnes, a suspected drug dealer,wanted to exact revenge on Powell’s sister, Twanda Lucas, whom he claimedstole $700 worth of drugs from him. In 2003, a jury found Barnes guilty ofPowell’s murder. (Carlos Sadovi, Chicago Sun-Times, 4 April 2003)


Love how the VPC can "adjust" thier stats.

Sent the following to May's E-mail.


Dear. Rep. May,

I attempted to contact your office in Springfield, but received a "mailbox is full" message, and nobody picked up the call when it was transferred to the operator. I am forced to resort to the use of E-Mail. Please forgive so casual a communication.

I am displeased to see your attempt to deny law abiding citizens a right guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Illinois.

I was born in Chicago, and grew up in Lake Forest. I am currently a Firefighter/Paramedic in Tango7ville where I reside with my wife and daughter. I have been a hunter and sport shooter the majority of my life. While I respect your right to not have guns in your home, I resent your attempt, however well-meaning, to disarm me, my wife, or my children, and by such disarming, leave us easy prey to violent criminals with no regard for the law.

Have you considered that less that 2% of all firearms used in crimes are so called "assault weapons", per the FBI stastics? More people were killed with pillows, baseballs bats, and knives than these "evil firearms". In my 10 years of service with the XFD, (and 15 on YFD) I have never seen an "Assault Weapon" used in a shooting - it's usually a $50 .32 ACP, since most criminals won't spend the $750 on a Galil or some such on a weapon that will get confiscated when they get stopped by the PD. Besides, a rifle is harder to conceal.

Most police officers are, regrettably, killed with their own service weapons. In fact the term "Assualt Weapon" was coined by Josh Sugarman, one of the leaders of Handgun Control, Inc, in or about 1993 as a press item after a shooting in California. The "Assault Weapons" of such concern are functionally identical to hundreds of other, non-black, "evil" military looking guns on the market today, and are banned on superficial appearances, rather than any substance. (Sounds a bit like "profiling", don't you think?)

While I don't see it coming, perhaps you might recall the photos of the Korean shopkeepers whose store stayed open for business and unburned during the 1993 LA riots... it might have had something to do with their use of "assault weapons" to pose a visible deterrent to would be looters, arsonists, and "ne'er do wells" that so successfully displayed their displeasure with the system by burning down their own neighborhood. If I recall correctly, they shopkeepers never had to fire thier guns - just the sight of them was enough.

In the press release concerning your announcement, I noted the use of the killing of Tsarina Powell by an AK-47 in July of 2000, as an excuse to restrict our (law abiding citizen's) rights. Two issues -

1) Wasn't the person using the gun alleged to be a drug dealer, committing a revenge drive-by shooting on Tsarina's sister, for drugs bought but not paid for? While I mourn Tsarina's murder, perhaps the primary focus of these efforts should be eliminating the illegal activity in the homes that lead to these types of killings.

2) Wasn't the federal Assault Weapons Ban in effect when the killing took place (July, 2000)? This example shows, once again, that criminals have no regard for the law, and the only effect of such legislation is to disarm the law abiding citizenry.

While I appreciate your efforts to protect the citizens of Illinois, perhaps a better way to do it would be to get the criminals off the streets - not make new ones out of taxpaying, law abiding citizens such as myself.

Regards,



Tango7



Not that I seriously expect to change her mind, but...
Link Posted: 10/21/2004 10:59:04 AM EST
Done... at least my calls.
Spoke to people @ everybody but Petka and Roskam's ofices - left msgs. Also called Link (my Sen.)

Keep up the fight, folks!
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