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Posted: 10/28/2001 2:32:13 AM EDT
Sound off, what have you got? Me: PowerMac G4/500 576MB RAM 10GB Hard Drive (Full and soon to be replaced) DVD-RAM Mark of The Unicorn Audio System with: Digital Performer 3.0 2408 Interface Wacom Graphire Yamaha Firewire CD-RW HP DeskJet 932 Umax Astra1200U MacOS 10.1
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 2:53:43 AM EDT
Part time... Now- Dell Latitude C600 PIII 850mhz 512mb ram 20gb hdd 8x4x24 internal CD-RW ( removable drive bay ) 250-Zip internal ( removable drive bay ) Dell Latitude CSX PIII 500mhz 512mb ram 20gb hdd Can utilize above removable drives through use of special cable which I possess.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 12:10:33 PM EDT
iBook SE(pre-firewire) PowerPC 750(aka G3) 366Mhz 320MB RAM(maxed) 6GB HD(almost full) Mac OS X 10.1 Build 5L14 w/ MacOS 9.2.1 for Classic Apple Optical Mouse Epson Color Stylus 777i Keyspan USB Hub Zip250 USB Gravis DualXterminator Joystick
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 2:10:44 PM EDT
Power Mac G3/233 19" Monitor 364MB RAM Multiple Hard Drives=10GB SCSI 2 card Yamaha External CD Burner UMAX S6E Flat bed scanner Epson Stylus 900 printer Most important option=[b]CABLE MODEM![/b]
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 2:54:36 PM EDT
G4/450 Dual Processor 640 MB RAM 40 GB HD SuperMatch 20-T Monitor Yamaha external CD/RW Apple Laserwriter Select Printer OS 10.1/9.21 PowerBook G3/500 Firewire 256 MB RAM 16 GB HD OS 10.04/9.21 Cable Modem Netopia Router Soon to add a Win 2K server for testing purposes.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 3:24:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2001 3:20:32 PM EDT by Skibane]
iceBook 500 (basic $1300 model with192 meg) Umax J700 with Sonnet 233 MHz G3 upgrade Umax S900 with Newer 275 MHz G3 upgrade ...also a Mac Plus and SE/30 currently gathering dust... Oh, and a HP Pavillion 500 MHz W98 mini-tower that is an expensive doorstop...
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 3:30:09 PM EDT
Man, you Mac guys are still trying to hang in there. You are a dying breed by any measurements. You realize if it wasn't for PIXAR and Microsoft that G4 wouldn't exist... Not a dis, so don't get pissed. It is just funny to see you Mac fans riding the boat as it sinks Deeper and Deeper and Deeper Apple is a great, no perfect example of a company ran into the ground. Apple had the potential to be the juggernaught MS became, but dangerous pride cost Steve J. countless millions, perhaps billions.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 3:35:08 PM EDT
I have to use MAC in my Video and Film productions.....also for all artwork I have to do.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 3:51:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 4:24:10 PM EDT
Here, here, me too... Power mac upgraded to G3/450Mhz. Since we are in a computer war, for those of you that have PC (piece of crap) the Mac platform is a lot more stable than any Windows.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 4:37:41 PM EDT
Windows ain't the only thing that will run on a PC guys. Just like that OS X ain't all that will run on a MAC. A PC and a MAC both running LINUX will have identical stability. Windows by and large sucks, then again OS X isn't a champion by any standards either. Biggest plus I see about MACs is that almost no one writes virus code for them.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 5:47:42 PM EDT
It always has amazed me that MS has been the one accused of Monopoly. I just went out to find a copy of XP and all the stores were sold out. Hrmmm evil MS marketing must have made everyone run out and buy a copy within 48 hours of release [:D]. I worked in a MAC/Apple stor in the early 90s. The main reason Apple went down the shitters is that back then when everyone and their brother could make hardware and software for PCs if you wanted software of hardware for a MAC you needed to buy it FROM Apple. Since they were the only game in town you paid outragous prices. Meanwhile, advancements on the PC side were going gangbusters since any putz that knew a little could invent something for PCs and market it. Apple eventually changed, but a day late, and a dollar short. Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img] PS. XP installed with no problems at all and gotta say. It rocks. They guys up in Redmond did a fine job. Certainly one of the biggest advances in MS operating systems since the 3.11 to win 95 update.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 6:40:06 PM EDT
PowerMac 7500 G3 Upgrade @ 275Mhz 96 mb Original 1gb harddrive Zipdrive 1gb DSL PowerBook G3/233 mhz 160mb 2 Gb harddrive Somewhere being fixed! Also still have my orig. Mac Plus w/4..count em'4 mb or RAM under the stairs. It has never seen pornography;)
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 6:46:43 PM EDT
The 1987 version of Mac OS was a helluva lot better than Windows ME. That's progress !
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 7:02:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2001 6:57:45 PM EDT by libertyof76]
Originally Posted By Aviator:It always has amazed me that MS has been the one accused of Monopoly. I just went out to find a copy of XP and all the stores were sold out. Hrmmm evil MS marketing must have made everyone run out and buy a copy within 48 hours of release [:D].
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Same thing with OS X and 10.1
I worked in a Mac/Apple stor in the early 90s. The main reason Apple went down the shitters is that back then when everyone and their brother could make hardware and software for PCs if you wanted software of hardware for a MAC you needed to buy it FROM Apple. Since they were the only game in town you paid outragous prices. Meanwhile, advancements on the PC side were going gangbusters since any putz that knew a little could invent something for PCs and market it. Apple eventually changed, but a day late, and a dollar short.
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Yes, they were bad days for Apple. They were not innovative at all. But Jobs is back and now Apple is the Leading innovator of computer hardware and OS's. Think iMac and OSX
Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img] PS. XP installed with no problems at all and gotta say. It rocks. They guys up in Redmond did a fine job. Certainly one of the biggest advances in MS operating systems since the 3.11 to win 95 update.
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Did you have fun begging MS to let you use software you paid for? [:P] OS X is a great OS too. Maybe that's why MS copied it.
Originally Posted By ar50troll:Man, you Mac guys are still trying to hang in there. You are a dying breed by any measurements. You realize if it wasn't for PIXAR and Microsoft that G4 wouldn't exist... Not a dis, so don't get pissed. It is just funny to see you Mac fans riding the boat as it sinks Deeper and Deeper and Deeper Apple is a great, no perfect example of a company ran into the ground. Apple had the potential to be the juggernaught MS became, but dangerous pride cost Steve J. countless millions, perhaps billions.
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Hmm, how is Apple dying? We have heard that same crap for the past 5+ years now, and Apple keeps on chugging. In fact, Apple is the ONLY computer company that has cash on hand, and is growing despite the economy. They seem to be doing pretty good. Apple will stay around for a long time, and they may stay a small company, but that does not decrease their greatness.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 7:08:06 PM EDT
Ok, seriously, I can not STAND Mac's. It's mostly little things, but they drive me insane. 1) The all in all cutsiness of the whole Apple 'thing' disgusts me. 2) What kind of bassackwards setup requires you to use a menu to eject a diskette? 3) I *like* command line interfaces, the XWindows system is about the only GUI that doesn't give me fits. 4) I hate computers you can't build yourself, and buy all the best of breed parts separately. Had to vent [:D]
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 7:34:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2001 7:29:53 PM EDT by Skibane]
Meanwhile, advancements on the PC side were going gangbusters since any putz that knew a little could invent something for PCs and market it.
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Yep, and that's one of the main problems with Windoze machines — Putzes in their garage basements regularly "invent" stuff for the machine with absolutely no quality standards or adherence to programming conventions. Thus, each "widget" only works if: 1. Tthe moon is in the right phase, 2. You're not wearing silk underwear, and 3. You hold your hand just right... Over on the Mac side, both the software and hardware works well. VERY well. Virtually ALL of it. You want a "challange"? Get a "plug 'n pray" Windoze machine. You want a fun-to-use computer that's as reliable as a refrigerator and more fun to drive than a BMW? Get a Mac. One out of 6 computers in the world is made by Apple, and that number's been growin' nicely recently — while Compaq, HP, Gateway, IBM, and virtually every other computer manufacturer is laying off people left and right.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 7:57:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2001 7:54:09 PM EDT by Duffy]
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 8:21:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/28/2001 8:21:09 PM EDT by FishKepr]
G3 300 OS 9.1 On the average, a shop with Macs requires one tech support guy for every one hundred workstations. A shop with Wintel machines requires five tech support guys for every one hundred workstations. I can personally vouch for this. On several occasions I've had problems with my Wintel machines where it took three LAN guys WEEKS to fix. When I've worked on a Mac, I've never had a problem that couldn't be solved in less than an hour, and about 95% of the time I fixed it myself. I got a huge kick out of tht film where Gates was demonstrating how easy Win98 was to use when POW, up comes the Big Bad Blue Screen. Apple sinking? We've been hearing that for the past what, 10 years? Mercedes has less than half of the same share percentage of the automobile market and you don't hear any woes for them.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 8:55:05 PM EDT
Uhm, Mr Bat..err Shaz... 1) The all in all cutsiness of the whole Apple 'thing' disgusts me...I be you're the kind of person who thought the Checker cab was elegant too? 2) What kind of bassackwards setup requires you to use a menu to eject a diskette? Two...Macs haven't used diskette's for almost two years..nothing fits on one. Two..if you really want to eject a disk, Command+E ejects it, or simply drag it to the trash. 3) I *like* command line interfaces, the XWindows system is about the only GUI that doesn't give me fits. ....OSX has a command line, unfortunately. That's one of the big selling points for Macs in many folks' minds. One shouldn't have to know "code" to run programs or maintain the system. 4) I hate computers you can't build yourself, and buy all the best of breed parts separately. You can mix and match many of the parts of the desktop models after you buy it. Apple makes an out of the box computer that is way better equipped than it's PC counterpart. Many manufacturers make Mac after market parts, drives, video cards, audio cards, etc. I have two computers on my computer at work. One is a 500 mhz P3 Dell 210. The other is a Mac G4 500. The Mac smokes the doors off the PC, it doesn't crash, I leave it running for days. It always works. The PC can't play sound and work at the same time. If you use the CD player to play music, the whole system dies. PC users are driving dinosaurs with DOS underpinnings.
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 9:22:37 PM EDT
Certainly one of the biggest advances in MS operating systems since the 3.11 to win 95 update.
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Don't you mean between 3.1 and 3.11? The biggest thing added to Windows 95 was the addition of explorer.exe to replace progman.exe. I work on computers running 3.11 almost every day. There are very few pieces of software that say they require Windows 95 that won't work with 3.11. When you add Wolverine (Microsoft's marketing name for TCP/IP drivers) to 3.11, you end-up with something that had better networking than Windows 95 originally did.z
Link Posted: 10/28/2001 11:55:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar50troll: Man, you Mac guys are still trying to hang in there. You are a dying breed by any measurements. You realize if it wasn't for PIXAR and Microsoft that G4 wouldn't exist... Not a dis, so don't get pissed. It is just funny to see you Mac fans riding the boat as it sinks Deeper and Deeper and Deeper Apple is a great, no perfect example of a company ran into the ground. Apple had the potential to be the juggernaught MS became, but dangerous pride cost Steve J. countless millions, perhaps billions.
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Not entirely true... Regarding MS, they invested in Apple in order to relieve some of the pressure off of themselves due to the [pending at the time] lawsuit. Pixar??? What do you mean by that?? The G4 and other PowerPC processors are essentially the IBM RS-6000 processors. Now that I think about it, I think you meant NeXT not Pixar [both were/are Steve Jobs companies]. If that is the case, you could attribute MacOS-X's foundation to NeXT as well as FreeBSD.
Link Posted: 10/29/2001 12:05:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Shazbat: Ok, seriously, I can not STAND Mac's. It's mostly little things, but they drive me insane. 1) The all in all cutsiness of the whole Apple 'thing' disgusts me.
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Alright, no gripe there.
2) What kind of bassackwards setup requires you to use a menu to eject a diskette?
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Not anymore!
3) I *like* command line interfaces, the XWindows system is about the only GUI that doesn't give me fits.
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As of OS-X it now has a command line interface as it is based upon FreeBSD. I use Linux as well as having used OS/2, DOS & CP/M, WinNT, etc. True, its nice to have a command line interface.
4) I hate computers you can't build yourself, and buy all the best of breed parts separately.
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I don't have a problem with the Mac but *EVERY* IBM compatable i've had, i've built myself so I understand but I have also seen most brand name PC out run their [supposedly] equivalent clone. It seems that most name brand machines have better engineering, the components are matched and/or better quility components are used. This isn't always the case but it seems to be most of the time.
Had to vent [:D]
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Not a problem.
Link Posted: 10/29/2001 12:17:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/29/2001 12:12:29 AM EDT by Ulysse_Nardin_1846]
I use Apple now and then, but I really wish there was a second mouse button. In IE Preview, is there a way to open a link in a new window? I once took the back cover off a G4-500 PB and it was an engineering marvel. The slot loading DVD was the coolest invention in a notebook to date. So what about opening a link in a new window? Oh ya, my sister still can't use AOL in OSX.1. But at least the DVD player made it's appearance.
Link Posted: 10/29/2001 6:09:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By misterhemi: As of OS-X it now has a command line interface as it is based upon FreeBSD. I use Linux as well as having used OS/2, DOS & CP/M, WinNT, etc. True, its nice to have a command line interface.
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I dabbled in CP/M, used DOS since 2.11, various flavors of UNIX and OS/2 back when it was *Microsoft* v1.3. So thats my 'computer old-fart' showing through [:D] I have no knowledge of OS/X, it's just not worth my time knowing.
I don't have a problem with the Mac but *EVERY* IBM compatable i've had, i've built myself so I understand but I have also seen most brand name PC out run their [supposedly] equivalent clone. It seems that most name brand machines have better engineering, the components are matched and/or better quility components are used. This isn't always the case but it seems to be most of the time.
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I dunno what brand name manufacturers you are referring to, but I've yet to see a Compaq, IBM, HP, or Dell desktop perform as well as a hand assembled unit from quality parts. Big name manufacturers have the same problem as apple in my view - proprietary devices. PC's work for some folks, Mac's work for others - but not me!
Link Posted: 10/29/2001 6:17:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thewizardofaz: I be you're the kind of person who thought the Checker cab was elegant too?
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Wtf does that have to do with anything? And no, I don't think they are 'elegant'. I like my tools to look like tools, not toys. For the same reason I wouldn't want a purple AR with clear handguards that makes an 'Eep' every time you pull the charging handle.
Two..if you really want to eject a disk, Command+E ejects it, or simply drag it to the trash.
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One shouldn't have to 'know code' to perform a mechanical task.
One shouldn't have to know "code" to run programs or maintain the system.
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Yes, as if learning simple commands is any more difficult than wading through menus that are not logically laid out.
Apple makes an out of the box computer that is way better equipped than it's PC counterpart. Many manufacturers make Mac after market parts, drives, video cards, audio cards, etc. I have two computers on my computer at work. One is a 500 mhz P3 Dell 210. The other is a Mac G4 500. The Mac smokes the doors off the PC, it doesn't crash, I leave it running for days. It always works. The PC can't play sound and work at the same time. If you use the CD player to play music, the whole system dies. PC users are driving dinosaurs with DOS underpinnings.
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Read what I wrote again, I didn't say I wanted to buy an expensive computer, then replace everything inside. FWIW yer only stuck on DOS if you are using M$ products, and I have NT systems that have been running for close to a year that only go down for security updates.
Link Posted: 10/29/2001 9:35:26 AM EDT
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G3 here absolutely LOVE it, never had ONE problem with it either. I do intensive Photoshop work, animation, and also digital recording...without a single hitch, ever. The people at my work all have PCs except me, and they are always asking me how to fix this or that.....I don't even bother trying. Plus if you do graphic work like I do, everyone is using Macs. I've found that 9 out of 10 Mac bashers haven't even touched one.
Link Posted: 10/29/2001 12:41:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Duffy:There's no such a thing as plug and play for the Mac, unless Apple already has a generic driver for the device, in which case it'd work without intalling 3rd party drivers, otherwise just try plugging in a device and see what the OS tells you. At least Windows has lots of drivers that come with the OS.
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? MacOS comes with a lot of drivers as well. They come with drivers that are most common: Hard Drives, Zip Drives, mouse, etc.
Macs more stable than Windows? Oh please, Mac OS (pre X) with its ancient cooperative multitasking (only the Finder is premptive, but if you hold down the mouse button, everything stops!), lack of protected memory, SMP capabilities among other things, it's crap.
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I found OS9 and previous versions to be quite stable, more so than most windows versions I have used.
OS X is a great step forward that should have happened years ago, but exactly what apps can you run on it that benefit the average users?
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Any apps that could run on OS9. Its called the Classic Compatibility environment. All of your other complaints about MacOS is now invalid. OSX fixed em.
Hell even the browser (IE) is "preview".
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So? I use OmniWeb, a far superior browser to IE. In fact I don't have one MS app on my computer. I use AppleWorks instead of the Bloatware Office.
MS and Adobe will address the software front soon, but its RISC chips are way behind. Granted, a G3 or G4 may be faster in some areas, but at a huge disparity of 867MHz and x86's 2GHz, even if the G3/G4 chips are faster MHz for MHz, you must admit it's embarrassing, we're not talking about Intel and AMD's neck to neck race, Apple got left behind a long time ago and is not even in the competition anymore.
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Yeah, the PowerPC chips are behind. But that is not totally Apple's fault. Blame it on Motorola. It looks like the New PPC8500(G5) will fix that though.
MSCE, CCNA, CCDA, Apple Certified (now considered a traitor by Apple fans [:)]
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