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Posted: 9/18/2005 11:32:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 3:23:13 PM EDT by Couch-Commando]
Give me pointers...
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:36:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Give me pointers...



mug em!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 11:39:34 AM EDT
I take them shooting.

Don't knock it till you've tried it, I tell them. Not many take me up on the offer, but I'm batting 100% with those that have.



Sheep
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:04:50 PM EDT
By example.

Liberals tend to have few acquaintances who own guns, let alone use guns recreationally. To these folks, only kooks and criminals own guns. By being neither a kook nor a criminal, you force them to adjust their prejudices to fit the facts.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:05:58 PM EDT
why would you?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:10:36 PM EDT
By grinding them in the crucible of reality. A natural disaster works wonders. Someone here called it: <paraphrased to fit this context> "A high rate of Conservatives being born in the wild."

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:14:06 PM EDT
I spoke with a LEO from Louisiana who is in and out of New Orleans, bringing in medical personell.

He is constantly asked by these people, ones who would never touch a gun before, never consider owning one, "What kind of gun should I get? Where do I get one? You mean we civilians can own an AR-15 like yours?"

Amazing.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:17:34 PM EDT
Beat them profusly 'round about the neck and ears
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:20:19 PM EDT
I use less-lethal shotgun ammo...........but heh.........that's "just me"
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:27:17 PM EDT
Taser.

Repeat as necessary.

Or try this


Subject: Fw: Dealing with Peace Activists

The 8 Rules Of Etiquette on How To Deal With “Peace” Activists

With the advent of the World Trade Center disaster and the ensuing military actions against terrorism, many of us will encounter “Peace” activists who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001.

These activists may be alone or in gatherings...most of us don’t know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments,ranging from political, to religious, to humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose.

3. When the person gets up off of the ground,they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful.

4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a nonviolent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what
they are saying.

5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct.

6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose.

7. Repeat steps 2-5 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid of an argument he/she is making.

8. There is no difference in an individual attacking an unsuspecting victim or a group of terrorists attacking a nation of people. It is totally unacceptable and must be dealt with. Perhaps at a high cost.

We owe our military a huge debt for what they are doing for us and our children. We must support them and our leaders at times like these. As a Nation, we have no choice. We either strike back, VERY HARD, or we will keep getting hit in the nose.

Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:40:03 PM EDT
Impossible to deprogram a cult like that.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:43:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
I take them shooting.

Don't knock it till you've tried it, I tell them. Not many take me up on the offer, but I'm batting 100% with those that have.



Sheep



+1

One of my best friends would still make gay love to Michael Moore (He's straight), but he's gained a healthy dose of hopolophilia. Everyone whom I've taken shooting has loved it, regardless of political affiliation.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:57:09 PM EDT
Many years ago, I had a co-worker who, every day argued with me at lunch time and breaks, about firearm ownership, and that No One needed a gun. After several weeks of getting nowhere with rebuttals from my NRA info and other sources, I had to resort to" SLEDGE HAMMER "TACTICS. "Jerry", what would you do if you woke up at 3am and an Intruder was getting ready to run about a yard of AIDS DRIPPING LOW LIFE DICK" up your wifes ass....?? Well, me, I keep a S&W 357 and a 12 Ga. by my bed. I can protect my wife and family. How bout you..? Well, 2 weeks later I'm in the mens room tak'n a leak. Jerry pulls up in the next stall. He never looked up, just said, "WHAT TO YOU THINK ABOUT A S&W .38....???

By God,, I Rest My Case....

Permission is granted to run this on the front page of your local newspaper.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:01:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 1:01:56 PM EDT by pnguyen678]

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Give me pointers...



How about a more specific question like 'convert an anti-gunner to an agnostic?' There are liberal gun owners (like me) just like there are pro-choice Republicans.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:08:07 PM EDT
Two words: "Frontal Lobotomy". It's the only sure way....
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:17:26 PM EDT
Just reason with them:
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:33:43 PM EDT
+1 on taking them shooting. Works every time.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 1:43:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 2:06:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Give me pointers...

Drop 'em off at the ghetto and not tell them about the blue handkerchief hanging out of their back pocket.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 2:12:59 PM EDT
You can't get most liberals to think. They can only "feel". Waste of time.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 2:22:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 2:23:33 PM EDT by JaketheSnake]
Through superior firepower....
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:40:04 PM EDT
Sorry, I meant how do I convert them to a "progun status". A friend of mine says he doesn't mind "hunting rifles" but thinks "sniper rifles" and "assault rifles" should be banned. I tried explaining to him that sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles and that assault rifles are whimpier than hunting rifles but he didn't believe me. He also thinks that the streets are flooded with AK47s. I haven't lost all hope though, so I was wondering what kind of pointers you guys have.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:47:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 4:53:25 PM EDT by gaspain]
Attack them with kindness. Penetrate there psyche with logic, explain why we need guns, its not about wanting them. Convince them that they need a gun, and they are fun and its their duty.

Apply pressure to their fears, explain scenerios: preventing rape...etc. And explain that it may not be just their life that they save but it may be someone elses life.

Also explain to them actually how slow the police respond to a phone call. Explain to them that the police are not always there and its up to YOU to protect yourself.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:51:16 PM EDT
It's a long slow process, I'm still working on my boss and a few good customers. I'm getting somewhere with him though because he lets me bring my weapons in for cleaning and maintenance, but four out of five of his employees are gun owners so the majrity rules.

After three years -and many serious conversations- I finally convinced him to come to the range with his son. We haven't gone yet but he really wants to go now. I will complete my mission when he finally buys a weapon of his own.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:49:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Sorry, I meant how do I convert them to a "progun status". A friend of mine says he doesn't mind "hunting rifles" but thinks "sniper rifles" and "assault rifles" should be banned. I tried explaining to him that sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles and that assault rifles are whimpier than hunting rifles but he didn't believe me. He also thinks that the streets are flooded with AK47s. I haven't lost all hope though, so I was wondering what kind of pointers you guys have.



It is posible to get them to admit that gun control is a falacy and you may even get them to enjoy shooting.

BUT you will never be able to tear them away from the emoional wishful thinking and they will always vote for socialists.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 3:23:39 PM EDT
Great advise so far. Keep'em comming!
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 3:29:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Give me pointers...



Is it really worth the trouble?

I prefer my life ulcer free. I invite people I may end up liking to go out shooting. If they're anti-gunners and refuse, well it's their loss. I do the same for sharing my relationship with the Lord. Differance is I'll pray for em' even if they cuss me out about their salvation.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 3:46:18 PM EDT
Force them at gunpoint to like guns.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 3:51:45 PM EDT
The old solutions are usually the best. So kill their men, marry their women, and raise children who like guns. Problem solved.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:01:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
The old solutions are usually the best. So kill their men, marry their women, and raise children who like guns. Problem solved.



"I claim the right of prima-nochta."
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:04:06 PM EDT
Put a large sign in their yard which reads "GUNFREE ZONE, if you come to rob me, I will call the Police"
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:09:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By happycynic:
The old solutions are usually the best. So kill their men, marry their women, and raise children who like guns. Problem solved.



"I claim the right of prima-nochta."



DARN YOU! I was going to say that!
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:17:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Give me pointers...



TAKE THEM SHOOTING!!


I'm enrolled in a pistol course through my college and three of the guys are very liberal. When we were introducing each other, they all said they had a natural disposition against guns, but wanted to shoot one just to get a taste of the opposite side of the argument.

We got to shoot a few rounds that first day against 50ft. targets. I could not help but notice that all three of them were trying to hold back enormous grins as they compared their results.

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:28:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/20/2005 4:30:09 PM EDT by GotGuns]
You can't. They will take anything you say as a lie. My sister, shamefully, is a hardcore liberal. Any sense I try to make is brushed off as a lie. There is always a conspiracy behind any factual evidence presented before her. All I can do is keep on keepin' on.

ETA: I hope that nothing drastic enough ever happens to her that would change her mind, because it may be too late.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:50:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Give me pointers...


mug em!



Or break into their house and hold them at gunpoint while you rape their wife. They won't care as much about their wife being violate as the security of their home, but it'll make the wife progun too.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 6:01:07 PM EDT
"IF" (the big if) you can get them to the range.
Nice day-not to hot or cold. Make it fun .
If it's a women make sure they have a real nice clean bathroom available.
Good ear and eye protection,electronic muffs over foam plugs works well .
Reactive easy to hit targets,clay pigeons,water jugs,vegtables ect .
AR15 with Ceiner or 10/22---30rd mags, have plenty of mags preloaded
leave the heavy recoiling stuff at home for the first couple of times
leave when they start to lose interest (or somewhat before )
Make it fun,make it fun,make it fun !
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 6:14:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SevenMMmag:

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
Give me pointers...



TAKE THEM SHOOTING!!


I'm enrolled in a pistol course through my college and three of the guys are very liberal. When we were introducing each other, they all said they had a natural disposition against guns, but wanted to shoot one just to get a taste of the opposite side of the argument.

We got to shoot a few rounds that first day against 50ft. targets. I could not help but notice that all three of them were trying to hold back enormous grins as they compared their results.




+1

I don't think I've ever seen anyone NOT smile after burning through a 30 rd mag.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 6:15:39 PM EDT
Send them to N.O.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 6:25:38 PM EDT
If it's a woman, rape her.

If it's a man, rape him.


Anyone that's been through that kind of pain, fear and humiliation is NOT going to let it happen twice, and will see the light.


The first time I heard that my jaw dropped until I gave it a little thought.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 9:15:10 PM EDT
I just tell the anti's that the main reason I own guns is because I enjoy them. I also tell them that another reason I own guns is the same reason I have a spare tire, jumpers and tools in my truck and insurance. I hope that I'll never need them, but if I do, I'm happy as hell that I had the tools needed for the job.

Ask them what their response will be to a perv raping and hurting their kids? Dial 911? How many more minutes of trauma will your child go through while waiting for the police to save the day, if you can even contact them. A firearm is just another tool that you hope will never be needed but may make a big difference on your families future.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:07:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dragonfly228:
Put a large sign in their yard which reads "GUNFREE ZONE, if you come to rob me, I will call the Police"



LOL, they should all do that.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 7:39:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PerryF:

Originally Posted By Dragonfly228:
Put a large sign in their yard which reads "GUNFREE ZONE, if you come to rob me, I will call the Police"



LOL, they should all do that.





Hey, I'm STILL on somebody's shit list after I gave a do-good liberal a sign that said 'Gun Free Home'.

Inside of a few days, they got broken into.

They TRIED to blame me.

Link Posted: 9/22/2005 11:12:05 AM EDT
i am currently in the process with a work buddy of mine. she's extremely bright, but has heard the same party line all her life. (mom was an archetypal hippie activist) in her words, she's a "good little democrat", but is willing to listen. now that she's dating my brother, we're both working on her here's what i'm doing:

1. whittle in a friendly manner. little comments about shooting help demystify guns. range stories are great for this.

2. challenge ideas. with women, self-defense is probably the most significant issue. "rapist safety measures" is a great catchphrase to describe gun control, and one that usually gets a reaction. i use ideas more than facts, but always have the facts available. the trick is to get them to think on their own. once that happens, the battle's almost won.

3. take them shooting. i've never taken a lib (or anyone else, for that matter) shooting who didn't have a great time.

all in all, i keep the issue topical, but never apply pressure. this girl hasn't gotten to the point where we'll invite her to go shooting on a specific day, and now she is the one who brings it up.

"so when are you guys going shooting next?"

"why?"

"oh, just curious."

Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:34:12 PM EDT
great ideas so far! I look forward to hearing more.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:38:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SheepDog_556:
I take them shooting.

Don't knock it till you've tried it, I tell them. Not many take me up on the offer, but I'm batting 100% with those that have.



Sheep


+1-most people who are afraid to shoot seem to love it once they've tried it, in my experience anyway
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:39:32 PM EDT
You can't. No matter how much common sense, reasonable arguing, you aren't going to change the way they feel. I've taken my brother hunting and shooting. He likes my ARs alot, but he won't own one and doesn't see the need. At least he didn't. Him and his liberal wife are beginning to grow up now and seeing things in a different light. About 2 months ago, he told me his wife was asking about a handgun for her protection at night. I'm sure that NOLA has made an even bigger affect on him. Very few things can change a liberal's mindset like an extreme personal experience, or time and maturity.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:15:48 PM EDT
Most libbies are just scared shiitless of a "death weapon", they see the gun as only for murdering people and that is scaaaaaaarrryy!! mommie! The best thing to do is compare it to something deadly they already own but think nothing of it. For example if they say "well i'd be afraid i'd get angry and just shoot someone" or "what if a kid got hold of it?" or "what if it went off accidently?" So answer, Well when you get into a bad arguement with someone is your first thought to run into the kitchen and grab a knife?? so why would a gun be different?" as for kids well, what if a four year old managed to grab a kitchen knife? at least a gun can be unloaded or locked. As for accidents, can't you die or kill someone else with a car? it would be called an accident! So to aviod one you learn safety rules.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:22:51 PM EDT
It doesn't matter if they are progun or not. I know several that are pro-gun. The problem is that killing babies is more important to them than life itself. Sorry, I just cannot explain their logic.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 10:24:10 PM EDT
National Take-A-Liberal-Shooting Day.

Starts with a pledge to be open minded like the cliche about parachutes goes.

Then take em shooting. Teach them the four firearms rules. Shoot big black scary guns and ask them why black guns are so scary.

Link Posted: 9/24/2005 11:00:55 PM EDT
I would rather they be converted out of their leftist, socialist mindset. It would follow therefrom that they would understand the reasoning behind the Right to Bear Arms.

"The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution."

GL
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 3:04:34 AM EDT
Why do you want to save a Damned Liberal? Adjusting their views on guns won't fix everything else that's wrong with them and their Utopian view of Amerika.

Look, Darwin is very good at what he does-why negate his important work? The few Libtards that are worth salvaging will change their tune once they've experienced powerless victimhood for the first time. The rest? Who gives a rat's ass!

Tired and Cranky,

Dave
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