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Posted: 11/29/2014 6:24:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2014 6:31:04 PM EDT by georgiagun]
Hypothetically speaking if someone owed less then $15k in taxes and didn't have income or property to lien against what is the worst that could happen?

Was reading an article about someone who hadn't paid in like 10 years but filed every year. Apparently he just ignored the letters as he didnt have anything they could take.

I have heard both extremes and was curious if anyone else has a first hand knowledge and not just made up fear of the IRS....

Edit: I would post the article but it was in some magazine at a rental cabin I was in over the holiday and don't remember what is was.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:25:59 PM EDT
They will freeze any bank accounts you might have and take the money.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:27:11 PM EDT
If you have no income, why did the person owe taxes?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:27:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VarmintKilla:
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Plus wage garnishment and/or social security offset.

If there is a legitimate inability to pay, the IRS can put someone in "currently uncollectable" status, but you have to ask for it.
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Originally Posted By VarmintKilla:
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But if there aren't any??

I guess that was what I was getting at, there isn't anything to take or hold over them?

What happens then?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:28:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2014 6:29:31 PM EDT by WilliamGray]
When I was a kid (around 85 or 86) I remember the IRS arrested my neighbors son and auctioned off everything he had.
He was tied in with some group that believed taxes were unconstitutional and he told the IRS He was not going to pay.
He was working odd jobs and I think they tacked on tax fraud and a few other charges.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:28:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2014 6:30:06 PM EDT by tnriverluver]
Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Hypothetically speaking if someone owed less then $15k in taxes and didn't have income or property to lien against what is the worst that could happen?

Was reading an article about someone who hadn't paid in like 10 years but filed every year. Apparently he just ignored the letters as he didnt have anything they could take.

I have heard both extremes and was curious if anyone else has a first hand knowledge and not just made up fear of the IRS....

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Hypothetically he may now owe millions the way they tack on fees and late charges and penalties. A visit to Club Fed will be in his future most likely. I am not sure about this but I believe it becomes a felony charge of evading also.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:29:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradinator:
If you have no income, why did the person owe taxes?
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Apparently from previous years there was income but subsequent years there wasn't any....
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:30:50 PM EDT
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If you do anything using your social security number the IRS will seize any assets that you have.

Wages, Unemployment, inheritance, lottery winnings, disability, Social Security, etc.

Basically you'll have to work cash jobs all your life and let your girlfriend do all the renting and utilities in her name. If your married, they'll go after your wifes assets.

You can't buy a house or a car or have credit because you'll have a "hold" put on your Soc Sec number.
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Originally Posted By georgiagun:


But if there aren't any??

I guess that was what I was getting at, there isn't anything to take or hold over them?

What happens then?
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Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By VarmintKilla:
They will freeze any bank accounts you might have and take the money.


But if there aren't any??

I guess that was what I was getting at, there isn't anything to take or hold over them?

What happens then?


They will take your social security when you turn 65.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:32:07 PM EDT
Ask Al Capone.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:33:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Recusance:
If you do anything using your social security number the IRS will seize any assets that you have.

Wages, Unemployment, inheritance, lottery winnings, disability, Social Security, etc.

Basically you'll have to work cash jobs all your life and let your girlfriend do all the renting and utilities in her name. If your married, they'll go after your wifes assets.
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But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:33:17 PM EDT
I went through this and we worked it out. I had a deference until I was on my feet and now pay them $800. extra a month for 3 years. We negotiated it and I can now afford it. If you begin it the IRS is actually easy to deal with. The stupid thing to do is go to a tax attorney, you will pay them a huge fee AND pay the IRS.
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Originally Posted By aquaman67:


They will take your social security when you turn 65.
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Originally Posted By aquaman67:
Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By VarmintKilla:
They will freeze any bank accounts you might have and take the money.


But if there aren't any??

I guess that was what I was getting at, there isn't anything to take or hold over them?

What happens then?


They will take your social security when you turn 65.



That's assuming you apply for it?

What happens if you choose not to?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:34:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By georgiagun:


But if there aren't any??

I guess that was what I was getting at, there isn't anything to take or hold over them?

What happens then?
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Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By VarmintKilla:
They will freeze any bank accounts you might have and take the money.


But if there aren't any??

I guess that was what I was getting at, there isn't anything to take or hold over them?

What happens then?

Nothing

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Link Posted: 11/29/2014 6:53:21 PM EDT
The slavering Obama agents will destroy your life with glee.....
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 7:32:20 PM EDT
Wesley snipes bad, that's how bad. jail
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 7:33:19 PM EDT
If you're poor and hardworking? Pound me in the ass jail.

If you're a rich community leader who hangs out with Obama? Nothing?
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 7:34:49 PM EDT
Right, use the Sharpton defense!
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He actually has money and owed a lot

OP is talking about under 15k

Nothing would ever be done I suspect.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 7:46:31 PM EDT
Owing $2.4 Billion hasn't slowed Al Sharpton down and Warren Buffet seems to be living pretty well owing $1 Billion
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Originally Posted By georgiagun:



But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?

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Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By Recusance:
If you do anything using your social security number the IRS will seize any assets that you have.

Wages, Unemployment, inheritance, lottery winnings, disability, Social Security, etc.

Basically you'll have to work cash jobs all your life and let your girlfriend do all the renting and utilities in her name. If your married, they'll go after your wifes assets.



But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?



The final outcome is when your health goes to crap wont be eligible for disability benefits since you have not paid into the system. You earn points for each year of work and can only get so many a year and need a certain amount in the last ten years of work to be eligible. Or something like that
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Originally Posted By Recusance:
If you do anything using your social security number the IRS will seize any assets that you have.

Wages, Unemployment, inheritance, lottery winnings, disability, Social Security, etc.

Basically you'll have to work cash jobs all your life and let your girlfriend do all the renting and utilities in her name. If your married, they'll go after your wifes assets.

You can't buy a house or a car or have credit because you'll have a "hold" put on your Soc Sec number.
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But they are just handing out ssns to the illegals now. You can get multiple ssns if you want
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 7:54:29 PM EDT
As long as you file and claim you owe it I believe the worst they can do is seize assets and garnish wages. Not filing or claiming the income is pound me in the ass prsion.
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The final outcome is when your health goes to crap wont be eligible for disability benefits since you have not paid into the system. You earn points for each year of work and can only get so many a year and need a certain amount in the last ten years of work to be eligible. Or something like that
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Originally Posted By bucko1975:
Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By Recusance:
If you do anything using your social security number the IRS will seize any assets that you have.

Wages, Unemployment, inheritance, lottery winnings, disability, Social Security, etc.

Basically you'll have to work cash jobs all your life and let your girlfriend do all the renting and utilities in her name. If your married, they'll go after your wifes assets.



But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?



The final outcome is when your health goes to crap wont be eligible for disability benefits since you have not paid into the system. You earn points for each year of work and can only get so many a year and need a certain amount in the last ten years of work to be eligible. Or something like that



No offense but have you looked around lately .... There is about 30% of our country that haven't done shit... And yet they all get free everything...

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:06:14 PM EDT
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But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?

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Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By Recusance:
If you do anything using your social security number the IRS will seize any assets that you have.

Wages, Unemployment, inheritance, lottery winnings, disability, Social Security, etc.

Basically you'll have to work cash jobs all your life and let your girlfriend do all the renting and utilities in her name. If your married, they'll go after your wifes assets.



But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?



Dying broke and alone in a motor home.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:17:34 PM EDT
IRS won't do shit if your an illegal.

Just create a new identity and transfer your assets.


Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:21:21 PM EDT
There are two possible outcomes. One is for democrats, the other is for republicans. One is very bad.
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Ask Al Capone.
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Yup and Gotti, pay your taxes, unless you are a democrat then you can have an oopsie or 2.
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Originally Posted By georgiagun:



But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?

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Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By Recusance:
If you do anything using your social security number the IRS will seize any assets that you have.

Wages, Unemployment, inheritance, lottery winnings, disability, Social Security, etc.

Basically you'll have to work cash jobs all your life and let your girlfriend do all the renting and utilities in her name. If your married, they'll go after your wifes assets.



But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?

You might get ignored or you might be the example, pour l'encouragement d''autres.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:25:57 PM EDT
Simple descrepancy? They send you a letter at first. AMHIK



Are you asking what happens if you flat-out refuse to pay?

...Ed & Elaine Brown are going to both die in federal prison for taking that stance.

Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:28:55 PM EDT
lube up, because you gunna get fucked.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:30:10 PM EDT
Ask Rangle.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:40:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2014 8:41:04 PM EDT by bjohnson425]
Depends if you are privileged race or not
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:42:05 PM EDT
The answer depends if your name is "John Doe" or "Juan Valdez"
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Originally Posted By bradinator:
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Feds will find a way. Don't worry.
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Originally Posted By Atlas-7:
Simple descrepancy? They send you a letter at first. AMHIK



Are you asking what happens if you flat-out refuse to pay?

...Ed & Elaine Brown are going to both die in federal prison for taking that stance.



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A guy from my small town got 8 years for helping them.
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Yup and Gotti, pay your taxes, unless you are a democrat then you can have an oopsie or 2.
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Originally Posted By Pokernut:
Originally Posted By wag_bag:
Ask Al Capone.



Yup and Gotti, pay your taxes, unless you are a democrat then you can have an oopsie or 2.


pretty sure Gotti and Capone got it for not declaring income or filing a false return. That is way it generally gets criminal.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 8:52:55 PM EDT
I have made a few grand this year on the side doing some consulting work and I haven't filed anything quarterly




Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:05:54 PM EDT
There is a ten-year statute of limitations for unpaid taxes. If you are determined to be currently uncollectable, the IRS will leave you alone. You may need to reapply for currently uncollectable status every year or so. After ten years, the tax debt goes away.

If you are not currently uncollectable, the IRS will accept a payment plan (based on what they determine you can afford). After ten years, the unpaid balance goes away.

The biggest mistake people make when it comes to the IRS is ignoring them. If you have a tax bill than cannot be paid, you are far better off contacting the IRS.

No one goes to jail for simple non-payment of taxes. They go to jail for filing fraudulent returns or failing to file returns, etc...
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:09:52 PM EDT
they will take it from your account , one day you'll see your balance and say WTH, yep they got it , with now word
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:14:59 PM EDT
they will take it from your account , one day you'll see your balance and say WTH, yep they got it , with now word
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:33:22 PM EDT
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They will take your social security when you turn 65.
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Originally Posted By aquaman67:
Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By VarmintKilla:
They will freeze any bank accounts you might have and take the money.


But if there aren't any??

I guess that was what I was getting at, there isn't anything to take or hold over them?

What happens then?


They will take your social security when you turn 65.


All of these things might be true. The determining factor being your income bracket. The more money you make and/or try to get out of paying, the more attention you're gonna get.

IIRC Willie Nelson owed millions and I don't remember'em throwing him in jail.

But, the idiot that won the first Survivor ended up in jail IIRC for tax evasion.......on that million he won.....

Hard to figure.......... that's our tax system. Pun intended......
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:40:40 PM EDT
Many of the biggest offenders work for the IRS.

Sharpton is a huge crook but he is an obungler/Holder rump kisser so he has little to worry about.
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But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?

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Originally Posted By georgiagun:
Originally Posted By Recusance:
If you do anything using your social security number the IRS will seize any assets that you have.

Wages, Unemployment, inheritance, lottery winnings, disability, Social Security, etc.

Basically you'll have to work cash jobs all your life and let your girlfriend do all the renting and utilities in her name. If your married, they'll go after your wifes assets.



But if someone were to live that way... Like in a motor home or something... What is the final outcome?




They would take possessions, personal items, anything of value.
Link Posted: 11/29/2014 9:43:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcornell:
There is a ten-year statute of limitations for unpaid taxes. If you are determined to be currently uncollectable, the IRS will leave you alone. You may need to reapply for currently uncollectable status every year or so. After ten years, the tax debt goes away.

If you are not currently uncollectable, the IRS will accept a payment plan (based on what they determine you can afford). After ten years, the unpaid balance goes away.

The biggest mistake people make when it comes to the IRS is ignoring them. If you have a tax bill than cannot be paid, you are far better off contacting the IRS.

No one goes to jail for simple non-payment of taxes. They go to jail for filing fraudulent returns or failing to file returns, etc...
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This guy knows how the game is played

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This guy lived down the street from my grandpa. He was an extreme tax evader.
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
I assume he got in trouble for not filing or fraudulent filing. Not sure if you just file honestly and don't pay they can touch you.
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Originally Posted By reelserious:
Wesley snipes bad, that's how bad. jail
I assume he got in trouble for not filing or fraudulent filing. Not sure if you just file honestly and don't pay they can touch you.
Can that be construed as legal advice?


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Originally Posted By 3O8junkie:
He actually has money and owed a lot

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Originally Posted By 3O8junkie:
Originally Posted By reelserious:
Wesley snipes bad, that's how bad. jail
He actually has money and owed a lot

OP is talking about under 15k

Nothing would ever be done I suspect.
Horseshit! Those bastards will hound you for every penny you owe, add on staggeringly high fines and penalties, attach anything you own...and ultimately put your ass in federal prison.

Prison usually comes as a penalty for failure to file a return, willful fraud or outright refusal to pay what you owe.

Never assume they won't fuck with you for owing them money....because it's exactly how they justify their existence.


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