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Posted: 7/22/2008 5:12:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/22/2008 5:12:32 PM EDT by armoredsaint]


And can I just add a stock and VFG to it or will I be in prison for awhile?

Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:13:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:13:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/22/2008 5:13:46 PM EDT by 70satvert]
Stock = SBR.

VFG = AOW.

Don't add either.

*Without the proper tax stamp, of course.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:13:34 PM EDT
yes if you added a stock it would be a short barrelled rifle and yea you might go to jail
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:13:48 PM EDT
Add a stock?!? And a VFG?!?! OMFG, Arfcom is going to explode!!!!!1
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:14:20 PM EDT
You hold it like a normal pistol, by the pistol grip.

If you add a stock, you must register the gun as a short-barreled rifle ($200 stamp tax) - this will also allow you to add a VFG. If you want just the VFG and no stock, you must register it as an "Any Other Weapon (AOW)" which is a $5 stamp tax. If you do either of these without registering, you are indeed putting yourself in danger of being sent to prison on an NFA violation if caught.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:14:22 PM EDT
One hand on the pistol grip, another on the handguard, extend it as far away from your body as you can, at eye level.

Kharn
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:15:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By arfreak223:
yes if you added a stock it would be a short barrelled rifle and yea you might go to jail


Now wouldn't that apply to a Glock handgun also since they sell stocks for it?
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:15:07 PM EDT
It's a little weird to hold. I shot one before. Just hold onto the mag well with your weak hand and bring it up to your eyes.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:15:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

Originally Posted By arfreak223:
yes if you added a stock it would be a short barrelled rifle and yea you might go to jail


Now wouldn't that apply to a Glock handgun also since they sell stocks for it?


Of course it would.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:15:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kharn:
One hand on the pistol grip, another on the handguard, extend it as far away from your body as you can, at eye level.

Kharn


but wouldn't people look funny shooting that thing?
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:16:49 PM EDT
IIRC The British SAS did develop a a technique for bracing a sling to support the firing of stockless MP5Ks in CQB.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:17:29 PM EDT
We have a whole forum devoted to AR Pistols.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:17:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

Originally Posted By arfreak223:
yes if you added a stock it would be a short barrelled rifle and yea you might go to jail


Now wouldn't that apply to a Glock handgun also since they sell stocks for it?


Yes


Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:18:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

but wouldn't people look funny shooting that thing?


Yes. The gun itself also looks funny; what do you expect?
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:19:08 PM EDT
Shoot it like you do all assault weapons, form the hip duh.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:19:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kharn:
One hand on the pistol grip, another on the handguard, extend it as far away from your body as you can, at eye level.

Kharn

No no no, you got it all wrong. You're REALLY supposed to hold it sideways in one hand, and as you fire it, thrust the gun forward as if that little extra "Push" makes the bullets go faster, and with each shot yell "BLOCKA!!!!" or "TACKA!!!" or "PAP!!!!!"
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:20:25 PM EDT
On an AR-15 pistol a single point sling is the way to go.

Hold the pistol grip and handguard in the conventional fashion.

Adjust the sling so that you can push forward firmly and have the sling be fully taut with the pistol receiver in the same position that a rifle would be.

You can get a good cheek weld on the buffer tube with this technique.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:21:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kylaer_:
You hold it like a normal pistol, by the pistol grip.

If you add a stock, you must register the gun as a short-barreled rifle ($200 stamp tax) - this will also allow you to add a VFG. If you want just the VFG and no stock, you must register it as an "Any Other Weapon (AOW)" which is a $5 stamp tax. If you do either of these without registering, you are indeed putting yourself in danger of being sent to prison on an NFA violation if caught.



what if it's registered as a pistol,you can't put a stock on a pistol?
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:21:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -GunNutJuell-:

Originally Posted By Kharn:
One hand on the pistol grip, another on the handguard, extend it as far away from your body as you can, at eye level.

Kharn

No no no, you got it all wrong. You're REALLY supposed to hold it sideways in one hand, and as you fire it, thrust the gun forward as if that little extra "Push" makes the bullets go faster, and with each shot yell "BLOCKA!!!!" or "TACKA!!!" or "PAP!!!!!"


Your right. I was taking the unprofessional-new-to-shooting technique. I think it also increases accuracy if you bend your arm over your head while firing.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:22:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -GunNutJuell-:

Originally Posted By Kharn:
One hand on the pistol grip, another on the handguard, extend it as far away from your body as you can, at eye level.

Kharn

No no no, you got it all wrong. You're REALLY supposed to hold it sideways in one hand, and as you fire it, thrust the gun forward as if that little extra "Push" makes the bullets go faster, and with each shot yell "BLOCKA!!!!" or "TACKA!!!" or "PAP!!!!!"


lmao
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:23:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kylaer_:
You hold it like a normal pistol, by the pistol grip.

If you add a stock, you must register the gun as a short-barreled rifle ($200 stamp tax) - this will also allow you to add a VFG. If you want just the VFG and no stock, you must register it as an "Any Other Weapon (AOW)" which is a $5 stamp tax. If you do either of these without registering, you are indeed putting yourself in danger of being sent to prison on an NFA violation if caught.


Not exactly correct. It will still cost you $200 because you are "manufacturing" an AOW. It costs $5 to transfer it though.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:24:34 PM EDT
put your cheek on the buffer tube and you can hold it just like a rifle...
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:25:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kylaer_:
You hold it like a normal pistol, by the pistol grip.

If you add a stock, you must register the gun as a short-barreled rifle ($200 stamp tax) - this will also allow you to add a VFG. If you want just the VFG and no stock, you must register it as an "Any Other Weapon (AOW)" which is a $5 stamp tax. If you do either of these without registering, you are indeed putting yourself in danger of being sent to prison on an NFA violation if caught.




It's $5 to transfer, but it's $200 for an individual (not a C2) to manufacture on a Form 1.

How was your first year?
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:36:15 PM EDT
I never understood the AR-15 pistol from any sort of practical standpoint. The rail on the bottom, which a VFG could be easily added can only increase the number of potential felons that have no clue as to the laws.
Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:37:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:
By the thing that goes up?

Link Posted: 7/22/2008 5:41:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/22/2008 5:42:29 PM EDT by Dan12]
Now you know why my OA-98 got shot about 4 times before it became a SBR

From this: OA-98

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