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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:06:46 PM EDT
[#1]
Two suppressed rifles with an M203 on one, suppressed DMR, an LMG,, Claymores, grenades, and radios. Gonna leave so many booby traps in them forested hills for the pursuing party.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evilyoda: They have sat phones, cell phones and radios. Cant block comms. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By evilyoda: Originally Posted By memphisliving: We're gonna need to jam comms (cell and radio), we're gonna need claymores, we're gonna need distractions and smoke and HE rounds. VBIED's, drones for surveillance, etc. When are we leaving? I have to be back by this weekend. They have sat phones, cell phones and radios. Cant block comms. Wanna bet 
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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:09:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:16:59 PM EDT
[#4]
One double barrel shotgun. I'd fire two blasts and they'd just give up.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:19:34 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StraightMiataMan: OP never said they had gas masks.  OP also never said this was a military op so Geneva Convention doesn't apply to gas. New intel. Hostiles are self-quarantining due to WuFlu. They wear SCBA-like gear all the time except when eating. They also have full body armor like the High Table dudes in John Wick 3. There are towers nearby that resemble Shot Spotter systems. Also you have been given a 24 hour window before you are disavowed. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:32:35 PM EDT
[#6]
mission parameters are difficult but doable. Night assault with high end suppressors for all is a must. This has to be a stealth op.
You can reasonably assume 2 can be picked off before the fight even begins. The plan would depend a lot on unknowns. Terrain, building layout, target location, etc. For example, is the target inside a large building or a 1 room hut? Are hostiles all inside or also outside? Is the target's location precisely known with high confidence? All these other scenarios are assuming too much. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 2:59:34 PM EDT
[#7]
Slime the entire area with a persistent nerve agent. The driver waits in the truck as 3 others in MOPP gear bum rush the compound with MP5SDs and atropine to extract the now incapacitated target.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moochin: 4 davy crocketts mounted on the ass end of an ahegeo painted El Camino.  Attached File
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:16:36 PM EDT
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I'd want one guy packing a beltfed, one with a good DMR, and the others can have M4s, all weapons would be silenced, all members would have nods. Before I made any move on the compound I'd want the road side lined with claymores, anti-vehicle mines on the roadway, and neck height cables in the woods just outside of the kill zone to slow the reinforcements, plus...fuck those guys. I'd setup to ambush as many of the narcos just outside the compound as possible. I'm thinking a speaker in the woodline playing the sounds of a woman screaming for help should get a couple heads to pop up. My DMR and MG would be on a 90 degree line of fire from one another and would open up when more than 50% of their forces were visible. Once they are engaged I'd enter the rear of the compound with my riflemen and make the extract.
Personally I'm not too sure how we could get out of there without being run down by the reinforcements, but I suppose I'd leave a couple explosive mementos behind at the compound to try and buy more time. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:45:57 PM EDT
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3 man entry team, 1 man flying an A-10 bbbbbrrrrrrttt, and a VBIED taco truck drone for a distraction.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:48:00 PM EDT
[#11]
Shoot the hostage.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:50:34 PM EDT
[#12]
Set up some kind of diversion for the QRF 10 miles in the opposite direction, then three men go in under nods at 2am with 300bo suppressed rifles while the fourth provides overwatch with a suppressed SR-25.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:52:00 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Shoot the hostage. 
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:57:20 PM EDT
[#14]
4 Man team equipped all with gimp masks, ball gag, 50 condoms each 25 viagra, floral babnana hammock speedos, crocs.
1 lb of booger sugar.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 3:59:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Real_PhillBert: https://i0.wp.com/talanhorne.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Speed-Shoot-the-Hostage.gif?fit=500%2C281&ssl=1 You shot me, I can't believe it. They're giving you a medal for shooting me, you little prick! |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 4:25:27 PM EDT
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Make a deal with targets rival to take the police/military reinforcement out of the equation in exchange for eliminating his competition. Nods and mp5sds to clear the house. Drive off into the night with target.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 4:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
snatch and grab on a target with a QRF of 50-100 guys only 5 miles away? no thanks seriously though, what could you outfit a 4-man fire team with to evade that QRF for a hundred miles? |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 5:22:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SethP: mission parameters are difficult but doable. Night assault with high end suppressors for all is a must. This has to be a stealth op. You can reasonably assume 2 can be picked off before the fight even begins. The plan would depend a lot on unknowns. Terrain, building layout, target location, etc. For example, is the target inside a large building or a 1 room hut? Are hostiles all inside or also outside? Is the target's location precisely known with high confidence? All these other scenarios are assuming too much. A narco at his get away cabin with his side lady happens all the time. Being on their home turf they become complacent. At most they would have 2 guys awake at 3:30 AM. The key is to take them out - 7 other guys without notification to the reinforcements. 100 miles can be traveled at highway speeds easily in 2 hours. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 6:31:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A narco at his get away cabin with his side lady happens all the time. Being on their home turf they become complacent. At most they would have 2 guys awake at 3:30 AM. The key is to take them out - 7 other guys without notification to the reinforcements. 100 miles can be traveled at highway speeds easily in 2 hours. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 6:39:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Moochin: 4 davy crocketts mounted on the ass end of an ahegeo painted El Camino. I'm joining your team. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:35:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColdEngineer: Are you some sort of expert on what cartel dudes do all the time? I watch a lot of movies in my basement |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:40:56 PM EDT
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I'd split my four man team into two haves and assign them a pair of AH-64E Apache attack helicopters armed with the 30 mm chain gun, a couple AGM-114 Hellfire missiles per aircraft, and the rest of the weapons stations with 70 mm rockets.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:41:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caboose314: When in https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/187062/3-amigos-1_jpg-1413335.JPG That trigger discipline!! |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:45:33 PM EDT
[#24]
Whatever vehicle I'm to be transporting the target in will have a M240 mounted in the box, with 360 degrees of firing arc.
My 4 guys have M4A1 SOPMOD Block 2 rifles, and HK Mk 23 pistols. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:47:18 PM EDT
[#25]
1st guy with an HK 417 Assaulter up front, second guy with a MP5K, third with a SCAR 20 and fourth heading up the rear with a M249 SAW.
Put all four guys in a helicopter, fly at night in a northwesterly direction until they arrive at the Saratoga Springs UT Wal-Mart, where they rope down to me and my waiting truck, deposit their weapons in the back and exfill immediately. Mission Accomplished. Oh, and the cartels? Isn't that why we have cruise missiles? |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 8:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mardoc: The way Scuba_Steve and I would do it is stop and get a 3 year old Lexus. Then we would find 3 hookers and suppressed 9 mm pistols. Then stop at a gas station get a map and some cheap whiskey. Gargle with whiskey. Pour some on me. Pour half out, or let hookers drink it. Pull up right in front of the place. Act drunk. "No hable Espagnol, me amigo! Yo losto, comprendo?" Offer him the bottle for a swig. Sort of look around. "I got to pee mucho amigo." Take out road map and pretend to show the guys at front where i think I am Shoot them while they are distracted looking at half nude hookers. Go in and say "me amigo said quarto de Banjo in here". Distract guards and shoot them. Grab target, Take hookers, forget the hostage, keep hookers, grab blow, and go. It could have gone a little better Sounds pretty rock-solid to me, but if we only need 3 hookers, I'll send these other 2 home. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:03:06 PM EDT
[#27]
I would think about using the indigenous calibers so that it wouldn’t be so obvious we were from out of country. Maybe they would think of looking in the next town over or the nearest opposing cartel base, instead of the shortest route to the border, where we would be.
That being the case, PKM with 600rnds RPG with 5 HE rockets, maybe a couple NE rounds if they have those for RPG rockets. 2 Bren 2’s in 7.62x39 w/ 120rnds each Obstruct the QRF’s fastest route to target by felling trees, or some other natural looking barrer that wouldn't cause alarm until it is too late. Not gonna count on that as a contingency plan, but if it comes down to the wire, it might give me an extra few seconds. Not carrying too much ammo. By the time the PKM can burn through 600 rnds, the QRF would be there. Not to sure on exact strategy other than kill everyone, make it look sloppy, maybe initiate with a vbied, and escape by boat or watercraft if possible. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:29:59 PM EDT
[#28]
All drug dealers and anyone who supports them need to die so give me
4 Raptors (Armored SUV) two fitted with Miniguns full packs (6K rounds) and two fitted with MK19's full packs of HE 4 suppressed Q 2.0 Honey Badgers with AP T-2's on Unity Tactical Fast mounts w/ MAWL Da's and Surefire 600DF's 4 G19x with suppressors w/LAM's and Holsters 4 sets of ENVG-B's 4 sets of appropriate armor and helmets w/coms FB and FG for all Set up on places where the 50-100 reinforcements are located at and open up on them with the miniguns and MK-19's and eliminate them all. Move onto stash house. Set up for night time take down unleash with FB's and the Honey Badgers aka Murder Weapons according to Garand Thumb, grab up target and than search for cash and then hightail it away in Raptors. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:54:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Not enough info to plan, but as you describe it, it really wouldn't matter what equipment or training you have.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 9:56:36 PM EDT
[#30]
suicide mission
you are NOT traveling 100 miles by car after that operation in Drug cartel held Sinaloa |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 12:31:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Sounds pretty rock-solid to me, but if we only need 3 hookers, I'll send these other 2 home. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By mardoc: The way Scuba_Steve and I would do it is stop and get a 3 year old Lexus. Then we would find 3 hookers and suppressed 9 mm pistols. Then stop at a gas station get a map and some cheap whiskey. Gargle with whiskey. Pour some on me. Pour half out, or let hookers drink it. Pull up right in front of the place. Act drunk. "No hable Espagnol, me amigo! Yo losto, comprendo?" Offer him the bottle for a swig. Sort of look around. "I got to pee mucho amigo." Take out road map and pretend to show the guys at front where i think I am Shoot them while they are distracted looking at half nude hookers. Go in and say "me amigo said quarto de Banjo in here". Distract guards and shoot them. Grab target, Take hookers, forget the hostage, keep hookers, grab blow, and go. It could have gone a little better Sounds pretty rock-solid to me, but if we only need 3 hookers, I'll send these other 2 home. Scrap the Lexus - We're going to need a bigger vehicle. How about an EM-50?  C'mon, it's Mexico. We zip in, we pick 'em up, we zip right out again. We're not going to Moscow. It's Mexico. It's like we're going into Wisconsin. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 12:35:02 AM EDT
[#32]
I typically rock an AR then a Tac shotgun and then some type of sub gun. I will swap out the SMG for a sniper if it’s blue or better. The last slots I use for med kits and shields.
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Posted: 5/14/2020 12:35:42 AM EDT
[#33]
Apache helicopters.
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Posted: 5/14/2020 1:26:45 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BO0770: I would think about using the indigenous calibers so that it wouldn’t be so obvious we were from out of country. Maybe they would think of looking in the next town over or the nearest opposing cartel base, instead of the shortest route to the border, where we would be. That being the case, PKM with 600rnds RPG with 5 HE rockets, maybe a couple NE rounds if they have those for RPG rockets. 2 Bren 2’s in 7.62x39 w/ 120rnds each Obstruct the QRF’s fastest route to target by felling trees, or some other natural looking barrer that wouldn't cause alarm until it is too late. Not gonna count on that as a contingency plan, but if it comes down to the wire, it might give me an extra few seconds. Not carrying too much ammo. By the time the PKM can burn through 600 rnds, the QRF would be there. Not to sure on exact strategy other than kill everyone, make it look sloppy, maybe initiate with a vbied, and escape by boat or watercraft if possible. It's Mexico, they use everything. 5.56, 7.62x39, 45, 40, 9, and the list goes on.
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Posted: 5/14/2020 1:42:58 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeyCNY: I know next to zero about military tactics, but it seems to me that this is too much for a 4-man team. Especially with the extra intel provided. Edit: Got any fentanyl gas handy? Properly dosed of course... not sure how fast acting it is. Exactly what I came to post. You need a chemica! attack so comms aren't sent out. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 7:06:11 AM EDT
[#36]
Crossbow with hardwood quarrels, cyanide vials. I can hit a guard at one hundred yards and he'll never even know it.
Load the team down with 9mm quad, XM-18 25mm grenade launcher, and uzis Hit the enemy while they sleep. Hire on a local outfit. We're only support fire and bringing up the rear. Easy peasy. Don't be fucking late. It'll be bad if you are. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 7:14:53 AM EDT
[#37]
This thread sucks compared to the original "what load out for my security team at a second tier shopping mall" thread.
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Posted: 5/14/2020 7:22:54 AM EDT
[#38]
The EXFIL is what makes this a pain in the ass.
Without air this would suck balls, and even if you hit em hard and fast, some dude can get off some kind of call alerting the QRF, and that’s not even if some random narcos see you on the journey back and happen to wanna stop you. Multiple high powered cell / radio jammers are a must but if they’ve got SATCOM capability that would render it moot unless you hit em in inclement weather (so totally dependent on luck). 4 guys is too light for this IMO, you need more guns to hit hard enough to ensure you’re gonna get this dude AND keep them from radioing for help, even if the hit is done ass early in the morning. I think just hitting the fucking building with a 1000lb JDAM or a few Hellfires off a Reaper would be infinitely better. Fuck taking that dude alive. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 7:26:28 AM EDT
[#39]
Ok, here’s how I would do it.
Approach with 2 vehicles, one being a relatively fast moving all terrain vehicle like a rally car that can seat 4-5 people. The second vehicle would be a large truck, perhaps a big pickup. Load up the back of the pickup with explosive materials and leave it on the approach road to the compound. Rig it with C4 and a bunch of smoke grenades to go off in unison. Move around the back of the compound with the extract vehicle far enough to not be seen. Set up 2 of my guys with Nods and MK12 rifles, set them at a location where they can see the compound and the VBIED, then send in the other two with suppressed weapons (300BO M4s) and CS grenades (preferably on a m203 launcher). Once my two guys are inside the wall with over watch, send a few CS grenades through the visible windows and ghost visible Bgs. With over watch support and some luck we get the target. Assuming support was called in by the Bgs, once they arrive they would likely come and investigate the VBIED, overwatch sets it off along with smoke when there is enough guys around the vehicle. Smoke and explosion cover enough of thier fov so that my guys can get to the extract vehicle with the target. Haul ass away over rough terrain and make my escape. Given enough materials perhaps I could have another series of IEDs/claymores along escape route to hinder thier chase. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 9:50:20 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheWenisPrinkle: I typically rock an AR then a Tac shotgun and then some type of sub gun. I will swap out the SMG for a sniper if it’s blue or better. The last slots I use for med kits and shields. I understood that reference dot jpeg |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 9:54:34 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chango78: 1st guy with an HK 417 Assaulter up front, second guy with a MP5K, third with a SCAR 20 and fourth heading up the rear with a M249 SAW. Put all four guys in a helicopter, fly at night in a northwesterly direction until they arrive at the Saratoga Springs UT Wal-Mart, where they rope down to me and my waiting truck, deposit their weapons in the back and exfill immediately. Mission Accomplished. Oh, and the cartels? Isn't that why we have cruise missiles? Why a SCAR 20 and not just another 417? Why even an MP5K |
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