[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Hit Men (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/16/2017 2:53:06 PM EDT
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I have never heard of a case (outside of Mob stuff) in which someone successfully hired a hitman - and by "successfully" I mean contacted and paid someone who actually killed the intended victim.
In every case I have read about or investigated, the person approached to do the hit goes immediately to the police or steals the money.* I can't even think of many (if any) paid-for ass-whippings. Do I live a sheltered life or is the hitman mostly just a boogeyman for grown-ups? *I recognize that there is a much higher chance of learning of an unsuccessful hit than of a successful one, but it seems like there'd be a fair number of solved murders where the hitman rolled on the principal. |
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Laughing at myself as I post this on a fed packed board...
If you want something done right do it yourself... and tell no one. at that point it's " is my life worth it? or my soul? I think the fifth commandment means murder, not killing for a just reason such as self defense or others... thou shalt not murder. ain't worth it. there is a line we may wish or dream of crossing, but you don't. How to get it done? fuck I could name a half dozen mexican gangbangers from Chicago's south side that would do it for a few c-notes. A couple black gangs that may do it for hire, a buddy or two that would do it for nothing, but I'd never ask. they wouldn't of me either. ask yourself, is it worth it? really? vengence is mine says the Lord. Thou shalt not murder. Hit-men exist. always have. |
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I think, I don't have any actual direct knowledge, that most hitmen are not independent contractors. They are simply in the employ of people that need that kind of work done.
I base this on the notion that soliciting unknown persons to commit murder would be an unnecessary and extremely difficult to mediate risk. If the whole idea was to insulate yourself from the murder charge by hiring a hitman, it would go against any kind of logic to start a bidding process. I suspect that if it were necessary to go outside of your immediate crew for such a purpose, you would ask an affiliated crew from another geographical area to handle the hit. I don't know maybe there's a few professional independents dudes out there, but who would they work for? You kill a guy from gang x, will gang x ever hire you? Jilted spouses? Why would he get involved in that mess? Emotions are running high, they're not experienced in the criminal subculture, they may be unreliable when it comes to keeping their mouths shut. |
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Richard Kuklinsky (The Ice Man) was a hit man for the mob. Hundreds of successful hits under his belt. Quoted:
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A hit can be made to look like an accident, doesn't always have to be a straight up murder scene. If you watch his interviews he is very narcissistic, so I can see him lying to get more attention/interviews. |
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I have never heard of a case (outside of Mob stuff) in which someone successfully hired a hitman - and by "successfully" I mean contacted and paid someone who actually killed the intended victim. You think the ones who get away with it are out doing interviews and writing books about it? |
| It's an extremely high risk way to make money for numerous reasons. I am sure there are plenty of assholes perfectly willing to delete random folk,... but there are a few orders of magnitude more people who will turn your ass in, either because they aren't horrible people or they don't want to take the risk. |
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No hitmen required. Just kill each others' boss
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Highest ranking assassination since Kennedy. Used a rifle with a scope.
Woody Harrelson's father convicted as a hit man in Texas, released then hired to kill a federal judge, convicted again and lived in prison for decades. Charles Voyde HARRELSON http://murderpedia.org/male.H/images/harrelson_charles_v/charles-harrelson-000.jpg A.K.A.: "Chuck" Classification: Murderer Characteristics: American freelance hitman connected with organized crime Number of victims: 2 Date of murders: July 6, 1968 / May 29, 1979 Date of birth: July 23, 1938 Victims profile: Sam Degelia Jr. / U.S. District Judge John H. Wood, Jr. Method of murder: Shooting Location: Texas, USA Status: Sentenced to 15 years in prison in 1973. Released from prison in September 1978. Sentenced to two life terms on December 14, 1982. Died in prison on March 15, 2007 
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Mickey Thompson, of off-road racing fame, and his wife, were killed by two hitmen hired by a business partner. ETA: the partner was found guilty of murder, but the hitmen were never found.
Several people had used Hit Man by Paladin Press as guide for murder for hire. Paladin Press was sued as a result. ETA: don't get any ideas. |
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The average person has no access to a real "hitman". These people are groomed and covered for by large entities with deep pockets and an interest to keep these people available. Average Joe isn't going to ever hire them or most likely ever come across them. |
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They're out there. More of the cases I've seen, read about, or heard of involve someone who's already known to the person who wants the job done and wants/needs the money rather than a professional contract killer who takes on clients or jobs. I'm sure that's out there, too, but as already discussed above, much more likely in organized crime as enforcers who hit someone that their colleagues want hit.
A typical "non-organized crime" contract killing would be someone who wants to get rid of their business partner or spouse. In this case , the victim had been romantically involved with the suspect and her father had a failed business dealing with him as well. The theory is that the suspect hired an employee (maybe former, can't remember) to carry out the killing for him. There's a lot of it out there. But again, most of the victims are guys who the competition want off their corner and most of the trigger-pullers and guys putting down the money are that competition. In those cases, you can have someone killed for less than the cost of a pair of jordans. It's sad when you realize how cheap life is to so many out there. |
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Hitman are raised from birth by a shadowy illuminati like organization.
They are experts at disguise but often can be detected by the barcode tattoo on the back of their head. They usually make their hits look like accidents but actually resort to strangulation by fiber wire or suppressed 45 pistols. |
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Hitman are raised from birth by a shadowy illuminati like organization. They are experts at disguise but often can be detected by the barcode tattoo on the back of their head. They usually make their hits look like accidents but actually resort to strangulation by fiber wire or suppressed 45 pistols. 
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Hitman are raised from birth by a shadowy illuminati like organization. They are experts at disguise but often can be detected by the barcode tattoo on the back of their head. They usually make their hits look like accidents but actually resort to strangulation by fiber wire or suppressed 45 pistols. 
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| Look into the 1st Amendment case of Eimann v. Soldier of Fortune Magazine, Inc., 680 F. Supp. 863 (S.D. Tex. 1988). Murder for hire was and continues to be a legitimate problem, though the street gangs have largely infiltrated the field. The notion of some highly-skilled, suit wearing, Jason Statham-looking dude operating from a shadow corporation is mostly myth, most likely. But, at very high-levels, there are probably international companies and countries that have contract muscle that is willing and able to take on work like that. People get assassinated all of the time - it's not only military, contractors and gang members doing it. |
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I have never heard of a case (outside of Mob stuff) in which someone successfully hired a hitman - and by "successfully" I mean contacted and paid someone who actually killed the intended victim. Okay---consider all the dead people, people who suffered inexplicable "accidental deaths" (hell, even some missing persons) found/discovered due to foul play and then tie that to whether or not they actually caught the murderer. Huge number. This means that TONS of hit men out there are doing it right and nobody even knows. |
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The average person has no access to a real "hitman". These people are groomed and covered for by large entities with deep pockets and an interest to keep these people available. Average Joe isn't going to ever hire them or most likely ever come across them. |
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New Orleans resident Kim Marie Groves witnesses Officer Davis beating up a neighborhood teenager and files a formal complaint with the police. Within hours, a colleague tells Davis about Groves' allegations. The next night Groves is shot dead in front of her house. Davis had planned her hit -- it was inadvertently recorded by federal officials who are investigating a cocaine ring involving Davis.
In NOLA the NOPD carried out hits. Yeah, hitmen exist. |
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I have heard of a few where somebody got caught, post murder. But as others have said I am sure there are some out there, more than we think. But i doubt 99% of us know how to get a hold of one, a real honest to goodness hitman. So that leads a regular civvie to find one in stupid ways; contacting known gang members, prisoners, or on Craigslist or maybe even the Darkweb. And usually the cops find out and it never happens.
I, for one, am never going to risk losing my freedom, regardless of the chances of discovery. And then throw in ethics, etc. I am not a murderer and I do not want to be one. But I could see someone, especially as it relates to a failed marriage, real hatred for your spouse, and the prospects of losing a shit ton of money in court, considering it. Or substitute a big life insurance policy. And in terms of amateur hour hit men, the vast majority of the ones I have heard about revolve around that scenario. Think about the prospects of losing millions to a spouse you really, truly, hate. Throw in that you made the money while your spouse sat at home fucking the pool guy/girl. Some folks will cross the line for that amount of money. |
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I met Bernard "Barry the Bear" Hunwick at a Ft Lauderdale club I worked back in the mid 70's. He and his "team" were later arrested and believed to have made as many as 300 'hits' over the years. I guess he was good at what he did if he got away with so many hits. But he got caught based on JV stuff. |