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3/10/2003 1:27:53 PM EDT
Ok, I took my new DSA Stg58 carbine out for the first time the other day and I had some issues…

I was following the procedures for setting the gas and I for the life of me could not get it to lock back on an empty mag.

Worse, the empty would become jammed in the chamber and I had to tap the butt on the ground to “loosen” the bolt enough to eject the empty.

I know they are quality guns, but it really bothers me when I have to mess around to get a new gun working properly [:(]

Please help with any suggestions to help me get this pig running.

Thanks,

BD
3/10/2003 1:39:59 PM EDT
[#1]
I've had a couple of FAL's and I had the same problem with a STEYR clone. Which if I'm right your DSA has a STEYR barrel.

Do this first will all ammo put through surplus/military FAL barrels; load-up a full magazine with ammo, manually cycle action. You will find that some ammo doesnt extract properly. I'm not sure if its a tight chamber or something. I had problems with South American surplus ammo and PMC white/red box .308 ammo.

Since then I found if you can manually cycle it, it'll feed like butter thought you FAL. I simply switched ammo to surplus I.M.I Israelly ammo, bought 1200-rounds and havent had a problem since.

Also after about 1000-rounds, this problem should go away with just about all ammo after your rifle loosens-up.

>Mayday



3/10/2003 1:44:48 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm using the surplus Portuguese ammo with no problems.
My gas pressure is set at 3.5
Maybe that will help.

Did you use several mags ?
Maybe you had a bad one.
3/10/2003 5:39:26 PM EDT
[#3]
Your problems sound like either low gas energy to the system, weak or dirty ammo, or a bad chamber.

All of the FALS now made in the country are built with used parts.  I think that the later DSAs have US made barrels.  If it's an earlier one that could be the problem.
3/10/2003 5:45:08 PM EDT
[#4]
I'm sure you meant "pig" in a loving sort of way.

Speaking of "pig" - you might want to "grease" this one up a little with some CLP.
3/10/2003 5:52:29 PM EDT
[#5]
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All of the FALS now made in the country are built with used parts.  
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Someone with more knowledge than me will have to answer this, but I don't think that's the case with the SA58.
3/10/2003 6:46:26 PM EDT
[#6]
Go to fnfal.com and do a search.

If it is a STG58A carbine here is a list of things to check:

1)Radway Green ammo causes problems due to what I think is slower powder burn.

2)Gas port may not have drilled large enough on those Steyr 16.25" barrels. I know that the SA58 Badger barrels are drilled large so that the regulator is basically useless because so much gas is sent to the piston.

3)Piston diameter might be too small.

4)Piston might be binding somewhere.

5)Polish the chamber. However those Steyr barrels aren't known to be too tight as the Badger ones so probably isn't a problem.

6)Set gas regulator to 1 and see how well the brass is flying with different ammo and try different mags. Short stroking occurs when not enough gas is being sent to the carrier.

7)A pin might be missed underneath the regulator.

8)The recoil spring assembly in the buttstock might be binding somewhere.

9)Gas plug might be loose fitting allowing gas to escape.

That's about it. It also might be the extractor.
3/10/2003 6:49:19 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
I'm sure you meant "pig" in a loving sort of way.

Speaking of "pig" - you might want to "grease" this one up a little with some CLP.
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Of course it was meant in the most loving way...

I'm sure this is my fault, not the rifle's.
3/12/2003 8:45:41 PM EDT
[#8]
OK, WTF...

I was RTFM for my DSA and I was looking at the gas system.

I noticed that the gas tube in the manual is one piece and that mine is TWO pieces.

There is a longer piece of tube off of the gas port in the barrel and a shorter piece attached to the receiver.  There is about 3" that has no tube and I can see the piston.

Is this normal???
3/12/2003 8:56:21 PM EDT
[#9]
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OK, WTF...

I was RTFM for my DSA and I was looking at the gas system.

I noticed that the gas tube in the manual is one piece and that mine is TWO pieces.

There is a longer piece of tube off of the gas port in the barrel and a shorter piece attached to the receiver.  There is about 3" that has no tube and I can see the piston.

Is this normal???
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I'll check mine tommarow, it's late.

Btw my Stg58 is new and I haven't even shot it yet.

Also the Stg58 is DSA and Steyr parts.

HOWEVER, if you are the original owner (and it is NOT something as simple as setting the gas regulator) you did get a lifetime warranty with your rifle. If something is wrong call DSA and tehy will help you troubleshoot it.

If you still can't correct it send it to them and they will correct it. This is the beauty of buying a qaulity rifle with a warranty.
3/13/2003 4:42:33 AM EDT
[#10]
That's normal. The tube is in two parts with the middle being completly open.
3/13/2003 9:34:14 AM EDT
[#11]
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That's normal. The tube is in two parts with the middle being completly open.
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OH....gas tube....I thought he meant gas piston. Yes, gas tube is two piece on every FAL I've ever seen.

See what happens when you are online at 2am.
3/13/2003 11:26:12 AM EDT
[#12]
Ok, thanks guys...

I just saw the gas tube in the manual and it was one piece.

Just checking.
3/13/2003 11:35:02 AM EDT
[#13]
There are two types of tubes, full and half,  The piece that screws into the receiver is there in either case.  All L1A1s used a full tube, as did early FALs.  FALs then switched to the half tube to ease cleaning, etc...  There is nothing wrong with a half tube.