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Posted: 10/12/2004 3:20:47 PM EDT
They are holding hostages in pakistan today, killed a judge in AFG, a couple killed on the battlefield recently, etc...

How do we win if we 'catch and return'? This aint a fishin' tournament...

Look for one in your hometown kids!


Pakistani Tribes Urge Captors to Free Chinese

Tuesday, October 12, 2004

BARWAND, Pakistan — Hundreds of tribesmen gathered Tuesday near the area where suspected Al Qaeda-linked militants are holding two Chinese engineers and demanding safe passage to Abdullah Mehsud (search), their reputed leader and a former U.S. prisoner from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, officials and residents said.

The tribesmen are trying to pressure the five militants into releasing their captives, held since Saturday.

Officials say the militants have strapped explosives to themselves and the Chinese and are threatening to kill the captives unless they are allowed safe passage to t some six miles away.

The Chinese, who work on a dam project in the lawless South Waziristan (search) region near the Afghan border, were kidnapped along with their Pakistani driver and security guard, and are being held in a mountain mud-brick house near the village of Chagmalai. Beijing has appealed to Pakistan to work for their release.

The kidnappers initially told the government through local sympathizers that they were ready to trade the hostages for foreign militants captured by the army during a recent military operation against Al Qaeda fighters in South Waziristan.

On Tuesday, a group of influential elders from the Mehsud tribe gathered in the town of Barwand, seeking talks with Mehsud, and if possible, the kidnappers — believed to include at least two foreigners. Hundreds more tribesmen were arriving to put additional pressure on Mehsud, fearing that the whole tribe could be liable for punishment if the engineers are killed.

Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, in the northwestern city of Peshawar, said he hoped efforts by the tribesmen would be successful in releasing the Chinese.

He added that authorities have chosen not to use force against the kidnappers because of fears for the safety of the two Chinese.

Officials say Mehsud is a local man but used to fight with the Taliban and was a former U.S. prisoner at Guantanamo Bay (search). He is thought to be hiding with foreign and local militant supporters in Barwand area.

"We are upset on the kidnapping of the Chinese who were building a dam to give us water and electricity," said Inayat Mahsud, the head of a tribal council, before leaving for an undisclosed location for talks with Mehsud.

China is a longtime ally of Pakistan. The engineers were among between 70 and 80 Chinese who are working for a Chinese state-owned company at the Gomal Zam dam, about 210 miles southwest of the capital, Islamabad.

"The kidnappers, who include foreigners, want to take the Chinese to another area. They are seeking safe passage but we will not accept this demand," Brig. Mahmood Shah, chief of security for Pakistan's northern tribal regions, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.

Shah also has said they are prepared to let the kidnappers leave the area without the hostages.

South Waziristan has been the scene of a series of military operations against hundreds of suspected foreign militants — Central Asians, Arabs and Afghans among them — and their local supporters in recent months. Scores of militants were killed or captured.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:29:17 PM EDT
It was only a matter of time.

Political Correctness will be the death of us.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:30:02 PM EDT
just wonderfull.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:32:06 PM EDT
My 1000th post YAY!!

No seriously, I was in GTMO - probably when these assclowns were released. This shit pisses me off to no end. There are currently Americans on trial in an Afghanistan kangaroo court for acting as bounty hunters against Al Queda/Taliban - they are on trial because they acted outside of the "coalition forces". WTF is wrong with this picture!!! Send former US Army SF to jail for fighting terrorists and we release #$%#$#$ murderers from GTMO - and will probably release more!! I fing hate political correctness and it will only get more Americans killed.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:40:28 PM EDT
I just saw that shit-bag (former Taliban leader and Gitmo resident released back into the wild) on FOX News bragging to an independent news crew about how much trouble he was going to cause if "they didn't give in"

I guess a reference to the demands over the kidnapped Chinese workers.

M24 time. A 2-man team ought to do it.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:42:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:51:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
next time...take no prisoners.

oops...that answer is politically incorrect.

ok...let's try this...hmmm?...ok...take prisoners, treat them to better food than they have ever eaten in their lives and the set them free to try and kill americans again!

damn! this shit is insane.

Yup...it is crazy...and...well, lets ask the grunts:

Ok...those among you who toted a rifle: What are you going to do NOW?

I know what I would do to fix this problem at the point of the spear. Furthermore...the senior officers need not say a damn word. Just let nature take its course. If the morons back home want to be morons and let the BGs go free...and then, just as predicted, those same BGs return to the fight...well I think we can accomodate them on their quest to meet up with some hot virgins!
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 5:12:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
next time...take no prisoners.
damn! this shit is insane.

Can't you imagine 'W' saying the same thing to Rumsfeld at tomorrow's meeting?

By the looks of things in Iraq in the last 48 hours, we have taken the intiative again so maybe these are lessons learned(?) I hope so...
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 5:23:25 PM EDT
I wonder if the technology exists to implant some type of tracker device into these guys before they are released. Let 'em go and let them lead us to their peers.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 5:37:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rabid_Coyote:
I wonder if the technology exists to implant some type of tracker device into these guys before they are released. Let 'em go and let them lead us to their peers.

The late night preacher said we all are gonna' have it!

Seriously I've wondered the same thing. Too much TV as a child I guess.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 5:46:34 PM EDT
or maybe just have tracking devices implanted in them, If UBL gets catured soon we will know the answer.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 6:57:30 PM EDT
Thank the ACLU and Amnesty International and the other pantywaists.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 7:18:34 PM EDT
This reason is why POWs don't get to go home until the war is declared to be over!
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