Posted: 7/24/2010 1:36:08 PM EDT
how do i fix these bottom 3-4 issues? i know im pushing, anticipating the recoil, breaking wrist down, and tightening grip while pulling the trigger. its sort of annoying because i was trying to do a more correct stance and just be a little more relaxed and such. no such luck. |
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Quoted: Dry fire. this. Also, get some snap caps or load empty casings if you're shooting a wheel gun. If you can let someone else load your mag for you, it'll be even better, as you won't know when your dud is coming up, and you can watch for reaction on the click. |
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If you don't have one, buy or borrow a .22. Seriously. You will be amazed how much your shooting improves. +1 Best advice How so? Seems to me it will just make him more recoil sensative when he returns to centerfire. I would be interest to see your grip, posture and stance. If these things are right there should be very little movement from recoil which should lessen your subconcious compinsation for it. You have any videos of you shooting? |
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If you don't have one, buy or borrow a .22. Seriously. You will be amazed how much your shooting improves. +1 Best advice How so? Seems to me it will just make him more recoil sensative when he returns to centerfire. I would be interest to see your grip, posture and stance. If these things are right there should be very little movement from recoil which should lessen your subconcious compinsation for it. You have any videos of you shooting? Shooting the .22 gets you back to the fundamentals (sight picture, trigger pull, stance, grip, etc.) without the assoicated distractions of recoil and noise. Sometimes when I get in a shooting funk, going back to the .22 serves a great purpose as a diagnostic tool. |
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Quoted: no video but my grip is this: Quoted: Quoted: If you don't have one, buy or borrow a .22. Seriously. You will be amazed how much your shooting improves. +1 Best advice How so? Seems to me it will just make him more recoil sensative when he returns to centerfire. I would be interest to see your grip, posture and stance. If these things are right there should be very little movement from recoil which should lessen your subconcious compinsation for it. You have any videos of you shooting?  my stance is: feet about shoulder width apart, knees slightly bent, both arms strait/perpendicular to my body, head crouched for sight picture. |
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no video but my grip is this: http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:tQIetPEhbBo3jM:http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/choochboost/668f83cd.jpg
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If you don't have one, buy or borrow a .22. Seriously. You will be amazed how much your shooting improves. +1 Best advice How so? Seems to me it will just make him more recoil sensative when he returns to centerfire. I would be interest to see your grip, posture and stance. If these things are right there should be very little movement from recoil which should lessen your subconcious compinsation for it. You have any videos of you shooting? my stance is: feet about shoulder width apart, knees slightly bent, both arms strait/perpendicular to my body, head crouched for sight picture. This might be part of your problem. I was corrected by a very good (multi-state champion) IDPA shooter on this recently. Dont lock out your elbows. Your elbows should be rolled out/up with a slight bend in them, not locked. By rolling your elbows out/up you effectively roll your hands into the gun and get a better grip. It also helps direct recoil straight back. This is a very important aspect of recoil management, which in turn is a very important part of shooting quickly while maintaining accuracy. Feels a little goofy at first but its pretty easy to work out in dry fire. Again I dont believe shooting 22s is going to help you deal with the problem your having. In fact I believe it is very likely going to make it worse. Thats just my .02 and your welcome to ignore it, I wont be offended. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5QrKXonhc&feature=related
Watch this to get an idea of what Im talking about. The video is of Dave Sevigny, one of the baddest mother fuckers with a pistol on the the planet. If you look closely at the begining you will see his elbows are out/up and there is a little bit of a bend to them. Almost like he is reaching around a barrel or beach ball on his chest. I don't know if this will help your problem, but the information is valid none-the-less. |
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If you don't have one, buy or borrow a .22. Seriously. You will be amazed how much your shooting improves. +1 Best advice How so? Seems to me it will just make him more recoil sensative when he returns to centerfire. I would be interest to see your grip, posture and stance. If these things are right there should be very little movement from recoil which should lessen your subconcious compinsation for it. You have any videos of you shooting? Shooting the .22 gets you back to the fundamentals (sight picture, trigger pull, stance, grip, etc.) without the assoicated distractions of recoil and noise. Sometimes when I get in a shooting funk, going back to the .22 serves a great purpose as a diagnostic tool. I would normally agree, but in this case I don't. The problems that he is dealing with are based on recoil control. Jerking, milking(thightening up the grip) and breaking the wrist down are all recoil anticipation problems. Shooting a gun that does not recoil is not going to help this in the long term. My fear is that if he gets accustomed to the recoil of a 22, the recoil from a centerfire pistol is going to send him right back to his old problem, possably worsening it. Dry firing the RIGHT way, plus some range time with his centerfire is IMO a better option. Again it's just my .02 and there are people in this world that are much better with a handgun than I am. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vOBHYAPNDY&feature=related
Thats a better demonstration of what I'm talking about. |
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Mixing in snap caps with real rounds would be great practice. Lets you see anticipation and practice malfunction drills. Not sure what pistol you're talking about, but if it has a .22 conversion available that could be nice practice too. Thats very good advice. Now I'll be quiet 
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Quoted: Mixing in snap caps with real rounds would be great practice. Lets you see anticipation and practice malfunction drills. Not sure what pistol you're talking about, but if it has a .22 conversion available that could be nice practice too. FNP40 i may also drop the bullet weight and go with a 155 grain or 165. right now im using 180's. |
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Couple things that helped me:
1) Rotate your elbows outwards and up more...kinda so they're even with your shoulders. That will have an effect of increasing your grip pressure on the gun, without your hands doing any of the work. 2) While doing that, relax your right hand (or whatever your trigger finger hand is). Your left hand should be the one actually controlling the gun; your right hand is pretty much there just as filler, and as an extension of your trigger finger. Your left hand should be squeezing your right hand, and gripping the gun that way. It feels weird and it takes some practice, but it's a solid hold and it recovers fast after a shot. After that...just concentrate on pushing straight back with your trigger finger only, and not moving any other fingers. If you hold your hand out roughly like you're holding a phantom pistol and move your trigger finger, you'll notice your other fingers move sympathetically...at least, mine do, unless I really concentrate on just moving the trigger finger only... Don't expect to win any steel plate matches the first time you try it, it'll feel a little weird and you'll probably be pretty slow on your followups. But, with some practice...it should eliminate most problems with sight alignment and jerking of the trigger... |
| Have someone else load your mags, live rounds and a dummy round somewhere, you wont know where. My dad did this to me, when I first started shooting 357 Mag, my first center fire. When it clicks, you'll see exactly what your doing and when your doing it. After I could plainly see I was jerking the gun anticipating the recoil it made it easier to fix.YMMV. |
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Dry fire. this. Also, get some snap caps or load empty casings if you're shooting a wheel gun. If you can let someone else load your mag for you, it'll be even better, as you won't know when your dud is coming up, and you can watch for reaction on the click. Called "ball and dummy." You can buy some orange plastic Saf-T-Trainer dummy ammunition. (I got mine from dillonprecision.com.) Randomly load live ammo and dummy ammo. This is as close to magic as you can get. After about the first three times that you feel embarrassed when the gun goes "click" and you nearly fall over from yanking the trigger, you won't do that any more. Ball and dummy. Just do it. |