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Posted: 12/23/2003 9:02:48 AM EDT
Guy in my building says he has one. Haven't they been banned since 1989?
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:06:49 AM EDT
becareful.. I ran in to a fella at the Drag strip a while back the told me wht he had.. he was in the Army......several months later met up with him to go to the drag strip and viola he had exactly what he said......Needless to say I dont play with that guy any more...."he had now Idea what a tax stamp was"
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:12:48 AM EDT
Mp5s are not banned.But they are controlled, and must be registered at the Federal level to be possed legally.As in NFA registered machinegun,with attendent,and required documentation of ownership such as a BATF form 4.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:17:35 AM EDT
You can buy an MP5 or other machinegun legally in most states.  Problem is to get a civie legal transferable machinegun, you had better come prepared to shovel out some serious coin.  MP5's are currently in the $12,000 price range and increasing rapidly.  The manufacture of machineguns for civie possession was banned on May 19, 1986, but the law grandfathered those that were already properly registered - essentially, the ultimate "pre-bans".  See the M16/full-auto forum for more info.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:18:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2003 9:18:51 AM EDT by John91498]
He says it's a semi only civilian version.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:19:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By John91498:
Guy in my building says he has one. Haven't they been banned since 1989?
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maybe a semi auto version? I can't see that any form would be legal in CA?
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:21:56 AM EDT
I have a guy in my reserve unit who's "cries for attention" manifest themselves into owned gun claims. Says he has an MP5, and an SA80. He's full of shit, but pretty harmless....

I hope.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:22:52 AM EDT
Probably an SW.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:23:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2003 9:24:32 AM EDT by photoman]
Originally Posted By John91498:
He says it's a semi only civilian version.
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If the barrel is less than 16in than it is still han NFA gun. They are in the $2000 or so price range for a SBR MP5, and those still require NFA paper work. He could have one. Plus is it an actual MP5 or one of the many clones that are out there. Though that really only plays into price and some reliability issues.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:24:15 AM EDT
I don't know CA law, but I think Mike45acp is probably right if its in CA. The semi-auto carbine is known as an HK94, but there  are other manufacturers now making cheap HK94 clones.  Unlike the MP5, the 94 and clones are (obviously) semi auto only and have a 16" barrel rather than the short 8.9" or so of a true MP5.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:24:45 AM EDT
And your neighbor may have an HK 94, the civi version of the MP5
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:25:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2003 9:27:28 AM EDT by NEPAshooter]
Being an Hk nut also, I can tell you a bunch about the SMG if 'guy' divulges any more specific details.

Single fire MP5's are not 'standard' persay;  most in circulation have Select fire groups of varying burst capability.

A single fire FGC fitted to an MP5 would have been an after thought.

Being that you're in Kalifornia, I'm hard pressed to believe the legal possession of a true MP5.

More than likely, he has a long barrel HK 94, which is the Carbine 16" version of the MP5;  There are much greater numbers of these in circulation, and tend to be easier to 'arrange' in non-gun-friendly states.

The first question you should ask him is how long it took him to Class 3 the weapon;  you'll know right away if he's talking out of his butt.

If it's not properly Class 3'd (and we all know how long it REALLY takes to get that sort of thing) then more than likely it's either a 94, a SW clone, or it's not a real firearm.  (you'd be surprised how many chumps try to pass off Airsoft replicas as real steel.)

Obviously, proof is in the pudding;  Ask for him to show it to you.

Then subvertly search for the Class 3 engraving.  If he can't show it to you, run like hell, and never talk to him again.  

(and never admit you saw the weapon)


(edit - wow, I need to type faster, half of you answered the bits that I typed up! LOL )
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:26:36 AM EDT
Could be one of Todd's Speshul Weppins SW5s.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:26:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2003 9:28:40 AM EDT by gogetumnow]
There were two semi-auto "MP-5s" that were available to civilians.  The SP-89, which I believe was made by HK, but stopped production/importation in the 80s.  Now there's the SW-89 which I don't think is made by HK, but is a copy.  See here: [url]http://www.facamerica.com/010.asp[/url]

(edited to make link hot)

Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:32:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2003 9:36:40 AM EDT by NEPAshooter]

The SP89 is not classified as an MP5, as it has no stock, and is sold under the PDW or Pistol class of firearms. (as is the Special Weapons SW89)

The addition of a stock to an SP89 or clone, immediately requires SBR filing, as the stock and increase in weight has now crossed the pistol into SBR territory.

As I said, everyone likes to brag what they have;  proof is in the pudding.

Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:34:43 AM EDT
Probably an HK94..ask him how long his barrel is....

damm  $22,000 for a full auto 9mm??? Either your very rich or fucking Nuts! [:D]

I can buy a shit load of Yugo and Polytech AK's and bump fire the shit out of them!

If I were to spend that kind of money, it would only be for antique guns with historical value.

Link Posted: 12/23/2003 9:58:51 AM EDT
I was at the last Great Western show back in Dec 99 with a friend.

We saw this guy carrying around a DSA SA58 and a MP5 style gun.

The guy selling them told us it was an HK civi version something or other.

Now, I did hold it and fondle it a little, but I cannot confirm it was made by HK.He was asking 2,500.

My friend bought the DSA for 1,000.He's even a member here so he can confirm we both saw this animal.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 1:04:50 PM EDT
photoman i havn't seen a HK94 for under 3k..actually $3500.  no SW crap either.  

here's a FA Mp5A3

Link Posted: 12/23/2003 1:06:22 PM EDT
I just came back from lunch and ran into him in the main court yard. He had a digital camera with him and on it was an MP5. Not the one with the 16" barrel. He said he bought it back in 1992. Is this thing legal?
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 1:32:30 PM EDT
There is no private ownership of true MP5's as marked on the top of the receiver. AT BEST he has an HK94 or SP89 with a auto-sear done by Flemming or Vollmer. Either way, its not a TRUE MP5 and they are NEVER as reliable or long-lived. You have no idea how often these bastard MP's fail. Basically he's full of it.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 1:41:53 PM EDT
Last time I checked kali was not one of the states that allowed NFA items.  

Danger Will Robinson!
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 1:42:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2003 1:51:32 PM EDT by John91498]
It's NOT an SP89. Why do people get the SP89 mixed up with an MP5?
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 1:43:47 PM EDT
my friend has a mint condition sp89, non fired, it is a real hk gun, nice
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 2:01:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By John91498:
I just came back from lunch and ran into him in the main court yard. He had a digital camera with him and on it was an MP5. Not the one with the 16" barrel. He said he bought it back in 1992. Is this thing legal?
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 Hope it's not an AirSoft. [peep]

 If it's real, then it's supposely Illegal in KAli.
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 2:21:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2003 2:26:31 PM EDT
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