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3/6/2010 8:37:39 PM EDT
Tomorrow will be my third day golfing in a row.  I only walked the executive course yesterday (par 29 pitch and putt) but it counts. I shot a 34 which is my personal best on that little course. I also talked to the course pro and had very reasonable rates on lessons.

I am seriously considering hiring him as a golf 'coach' if the first few lessons are helpful. I told him that if I liked his teaching style we could work out monthly rates and he seemed receptive to that.

Has any one ever got taken lessons or gone as far as getting a 'coach'? How did that go? I feel like I'm starting to plateau and there is only so much you can teach yourself. I'm just hoping he doesn't completely deconstruct my swing.

I'm playing 18 tomorrow. It turns out one of my old poker buddies is running the course and last time we only paid $7 a piece for carts and 18 holes.

My jobs schedule is a split shift so I have noon to five off every day. It has been the greatest thing to ever happen to my game. I can golf three days a week and work full time and school part time.

I'm mainly looking for info on lessons and coaching but we need a thread where we can bullshit about golf.



3/6/2010 8:42:36 PM EDT
[#1]
I've taken lessons at different times over the years.  And there's a couple of local courses where they do a monthly thing.  You pay like $40 a month and you can hit all the range balls you like and go to free clinics during the week.  I plan to sign up for that next month.  I would really like to get back to playing and taking some lessons.

I do remember meeting a guy 10 or 12 years ago who had a full-time teacher.  I don't remember what he was paying, but he would go out to the range almost every day and the teacher would just come over and work with him any time he needed help.
3/6/2010 8:57:38 PM EDT
[#2]
Tag.

I loves me some golf, but I really suck at it.


/hacker  

3/6/2010 9:36:34 PM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
I've taken lessons at different times over the years.  And there's a couple of local courses where they do a monthly thing.  You pay like $40 a month and you can hit all the range balls you like and go to free clinics during the week.  I plan to sign up for that next month.  I would really like to get back to playing and taking some lessons.

I do remember meeting a guy 10 or 12 years ago who had a full-time teacher.  I don't remember what he was paying, but he would go out to the range almost every day and the teacher would just come over and work with him any time he needed help.


Did the lessons improve your game at all?

I've been keeping all my score cards and I have even considered making a spread sheet. I figure it will help keeping track of my progress and to make sure the lessons are paying off.

He said it would be $35 for a 45 minute session to get a feel for my skill level and $50 for a video session.

We didn't talk much about pricing after that except for that he was receptive to working out a coach type situation.

I'd just like to have someone on 'retainer' so if I was heading out to play nine holes he could come along and help with my game. Lessons at the range seem like they'd be helpful but I'd also like situational help that you can only get on the course. Club selection, different lies, bunker play, things like that.

You should definitely start playing again. Golf is one of the few sports you can play until the day you die.



3/6/2010 10:00:17 PM EDT
[#4]
FUCKIN GOLF...don't get me started on that fuckin golf man... That game will drive you insane. But somehow I can't seem to stop. Now I do it mostly because it pisses the wife off...
3/6/2010 10:02:47 PM EDT
[#5]
Your pitch game should be the same as tossing the ball to the hole.  Imagine tossing the ball underhanded to the hole, and the club is your extension of that toss.



HH
3/6/2010 10:08:02 PM EDT
[#6]
I took a lesson Friday. It was the first time I swung in 6 months. I went and banged balls today..

I have a lesson Tuesday and Thursday next week.

I take at least weekly golf lessons during the golf season.

I have taken 10 strokes off my game since coming back after getting a pacemaker about a year and a half ago. My plan is to knock off another 7 this year.

One of the members of my club asked me to play with him this coming weekend in a Tournament so I'm  getting the extra help getting the rust off and I'm making a small change so I need to continue to work on that.
3/6/2010 10:17:10 PM EDT
[#7]
Coming from someone who is/was in the golf industry, let me give you tips on the business side of teaching.

One, they take home 55-85% of what they make off of you. Keeping you as a customer is very important, but so is keeping their respect as a pro. They are usually genuinely interested in getting you to the point that you want to be at. They know you may stop when you hit a spot you're happy at, but they also know that your swing will fall apart at some point and you'll be back. They also hope you'll tell your friends what they did for your game.

Two, let them know what they want out of the lesson. Nothing is worse than going into a lesson not knowing what the customer wants. 45 minutes is not a lot of time to completely fix your game (anyone's game, look at Tiger - he's out practicing a lot, well maybe bad example ). If you want to do a series of lessons with a pro then make a plan of where you want to be by X date. That will allow the pro to figure out what they want to teach you in what order.

Third, your swing will get worse before it gets better. Don't let it get you down, what you have been doing has been engrained in your mind as the swing. Even a little adjustment takes a lot of time to build muscle memory and improve. Once you do though then you should be hitting it better than ever.

Finally, practice on the range between lessons. It's like math, you can't go to class and then not study at all and ace the test. You have to practice what they are saying or they will just keep having to repeat themselves costing you more money or causing you not to improve. They aren't miracle workers, but if you get a good friendship going then it should be easier to learn.

Just my two cents.
3/6/2010 10:24:37 PM EDT
[#8]
Someone who can be a set of eyes for your swing is always helpful.  What you think you are doing versus what you are actually doing is a different story.  The video lesson will prove this.    A decent teacher should be able to get you headed in the right direction.   There is a lot of
good DVD, YouTube  instruction too.   Don't  get your brain thinking about to many things at once.

And,  you'll always be chasing it.  I guess that is what keeps us coming back.  Have fun!

  test



3/6/2010 10:26:31 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
I took a lesson Friday. It was the first time I swung in 6 months. I went and banged balls today..

I have a lesson Tuesday and Thursday next week.

I take at least weekly golf lessons during the golf season.

I have taken 10 strokes off my game since coming back after getting a pacemaker about a year and a half ago. My plan is to knock off another 7 this year.

One of the members of my club asked me to play with him this coming weekend in a Tournament so I'm  getting the extra help getting the rust off and I'm making a small change so I need to continue to work on that.


Is yours a Medtronics?  Mine is an ICD...dual unit.

Best wishes....

HH
3/6/2010 10:51:24 PM EDT
[#10]
As someone who has played golf for nearly 15 years and is only 28 I have a few things I'm obligated to toss in the ring here.

First, there is no substitute for practice. Most people practice on the driving range and then go play a round of golf and that is fine, but you will get bored really quick.

Second, Course Management and mindset is about 85% of the game.

You can combine the two (non-traditional practice and course management) by picking 5 clubs and your putter and using them exclusively to play a round.

I also used to take my full set up, get to the first tee and drop 3 balls. I would visualize how I would want to play that hole and give myself 3 chances to hit the "perfect drive". from there I would give myself 3 chances to hit the perfect approach, finishing the hole out in the same fashion. Not only does this break the habit of grabbing a club on the driving range and hitting the same shot 20 times and then changing clubs, but it also helps with your mindset, you have to visualize the shot before you can hit it.

Taking the time to accurately measure how far each club goes with a normal tempo swing will save you several strokes, it will save your ego and confidence as well.

Third, and likely another 99% of the game (it's golf, it doesn't follow REAL math rules ) is CONFIDENCE.

Not only confidence in your ability, but also confidence that when you set that driver or iron down behind the ball you know you are going to hit it right where you want and it is going to feel great.

Many people get caught up in equipment and name brands and keeping matching sets of clubs. It's all hogwash, unless that makes them 1% more confident, then it is worth it.
For all the technology advances the average golf handicap has not gone down much (if at all) in the last 50 years.

I play with a 5 year old set of Hogan Tour GCD Irons with steel shafts, a Copy of a Nike Sasquatch, and a no name putter and can shoot low 80's to mid 70's on any given day. If I buckle down and prepare I can flirt with par and just under.

Basically, I've hit enough balls to get bored on the range and found other ways to practice, eventually I got to where I could visualize and then produce the shot that I wanted, and I selected equipment that made me 100% confident that I can achieve anything I visualize.

As far as lessons go, getting your swing on video is a great teaching aid. Having your clubs properly fitted before starting lessons is highly advantageous. And while I did take a few lessons when I was younger, the best way I found to learn was to play with people that are better than you and trying to compete with them.

After enough balls and enough blisters you will figure out what works. (everything is backwards... hit down the ball goes up, hit up the ball stays low, etc. etc.)

Lastly, but most important, golf is fun. If you start breaking clubs and cussing out lifelong friends then you are doing it wrong.

I've watched grown ass men melt down and throw clubs in the lake over a 1 dollar per hole stroke play match and it's fucking sad.

Golf was invented by madmen and it will drive you mad, just have fun with it and enjoy the outdoors even if you totally suck!

Hope I helped in this rambling post

Next time I'm out I'll have the wife shoot a bit of video and I'll show some of my trick shots - (I've got a killer Happy Gilmore variation)
3/6/2010 10:59:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I took a lesson Friday. It was the first time I swung in 6 months. I went and banged balls today..

I have a lesson Tuesday and Thursday next week.

I take at least weekly golf lessons during the golf season.

I have taken 10 strokes off my game since coming back after getting a pacemaker about a year and a half ago. My plan is to knock off another 7 this year.

One of the members of my club asked me to play with him this coming weekend in a Tournament so I'm  getting the extra help getting the rust off and I'm making a small change so I need to continue to work on that.


Is yours a Medtronics?  Mine is an ICD...dual unit.

Best wishes....

HH


Yep

I didn't know you had one too.
3/6/2010 11:34:02 PM EDT
[#12]

My favorite golf book is Ray Floyds' "The Elements of Scoring".  It's mostly about how to score and course management.  I highly recommend it.  

Like TexasDoubleTap said,  don't get caught up in the equipment game.  99% of the stuff on the on shelf is better than 99% of all golfers anyhow.  I've been playing the same irons for the last 25 years.




















3/7/2010 12:04:32 AM EDT
[#13]



Quoted:




My favorite golf book is Ray Floyds' "The Elements of Scoring".  It's mostly about how to score and course management.  I highly recommend it.  



Like TexasDoubleTap said,  don't get caught up in the equipment game.  99% of the stuff on the on shelf is better than 99% of all golfers anyhow.  I've been playing the same irons for the last 25 years.



 


if thats true, then do yourself a favor and go get some new irons. The new ones are light years better then the ones your playing



now if you have irons bought say within the last 7-8 years, then maybe your right.



i do agree with you in that brand new irons are going to "fix" anyones game

3/7/2010 1:13:55 AM EDT
[#14]
speaking of golf,,,, tiger woods is doing a publicity appearance to try to get back in a positive light. his publicist says it will show how he's  just a regular guy who struggled to greatness and that recent events in his personal life were just one wrong turn he made, and not his true nature.
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Next week he's going to be a contestant on "Lap Dancing With the Stars".
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3/7/2010 7:40:05 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I've taken lessons at different times over the years.  And there's a couple of local courses where they do a monthly thing.  You pay like $40 a month and you can hit all the range balls you like and go to free clinics during the week.  I plan to sign up for that next month.  I would really like to get back to playing and taking some lessons.

I do remember meeting a guy 10 or 12 years ago who had a full-time teacher.  I don't remember what he was paying, but he would go out to the range almost every day and the teacher would just come over and work with him any time he needed help.


Did the lessons improve your game at all?

I've been keeping all my score cards and I have even considered making a spread sheet. I figure it will help keeping track of my progress and to make sure the lessons are paying off.

He said it would be $35 for a 45 minute session to get a feel for my skill level and $50 for a video session.

We didn't talk much about pricing after that except for that he was receptive to working out a coach type situation.

I'd just like to have someone on 'retainer' so if I was heading out to play nine holes he could come along and help with my game. Lessons at the range seem like they'd be helpful but I'd also like situational help that you can only get on the course. Club selection, different lies, bunker play, things like that.

You should definitely start playing again. Golf is one of the few sports you can play until the day you die.


man, I don't know if it helped or not.  lol  The weird thing is, I have a really nice looking swing.  it just doesn't show up on the scorecard.

the thing that helped me the most were the video lessons.  I definitely plan to try that again this year.  and I think the playing lessons are a good idea too.  I think you're on the right track there.
3/7/2010 7:54:33 AM EDT
[#16]
Golf,The only game that will make a preacher cuss.
3/7/2010 8:07:28 AM EDT
[#17]
If you learn the rules, it'll make the game more fun.  I always encourage new golfers to get the Rules of Golf by Tom Watson.  The rules read like the King James Version of the Bible.  Tom breaks them down into easily to understand English.

I've won quite a few matches because I knew the rules.
3/7/2010 8:08:38 AM EDT
[#18]




Quoted:

Your pitch game should be the same as tossing the ball to the hole. Imagine tossing the ball underhanded to the hole, and the club is your extension of that toss.








HH


That's exactly the visualization that gets me hitting up on the ball, and ending up skulling or chunking it.



"Swing the clubhead in a pendulum motion, striking down on the back of the ball" seems to work better.

3/7/2010 10:05:03 AM EDT
[#19]
It's looking pretty gloomy outside.

Fook it I'm foing....
3/7/2010 10:11:24 AM EDT
[#20]
Ankle deep snow  ––- orange balls required here today
3/7/2010 2:48:36 PM EDT
[#21]
What a shitty day.

I played nine holes (Dam Nine) and I played like shit. After four holes I quit keeping score. It was brutal.

It got really windy and rained for a while.

Oh well. There is always tomorrow.
3/7/2010 4:09:49 PM EDT
[#22]


Gotta love days when you just stop keeping score

3/9/2010 6:44:41 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Coming from someone who is/was in the golf industry, let me give you tips on the business side of teaching.

One, they take home 55-85% of what they make off of you. Keeping you as a customer is very important, but so is keeping their respect as a pro. They are usually genuinely interested in getting you to the point that you want to be at. They know you may stop when you hit a spot you're happy at, but they also know that your swing will fall apart at some point and you'll be back. They also hope you'll tell your friends what they did for your game.

Two, let them know what they want out of the lesson. Nothing is worse than going into a lesson not knowing what the customer wants. 45 minutes is not a lot of time to completely fix your game (anyone's game, look at Tiger - he's out practicing a lot, well maybe bad example ). If you want to do a series of lessons with a pro then make a plan of where you want to be by X date. That will allow the pro to figure out what they want to teach you in what order.

Third, your swing will get worse before it gets better. Don't let it get you down, what you have been doing has been engrained in your mind as the swing. Even a little adjustment takes a lot of time to build muscle memory and improve. Once you do though then you should be hitting it better than ever.

Finally, practice on the range between lessons. It's like math, you can't go to class and then not study at all and ace the test. You have to practice what they are saying or they will just keep having to repeat themselves costing you more money or causing you not to improve. They aren't miracle workers, but if you get a good friendship going then it should be easier to learn.

Just my two cents.


I like the idea of setting a goal with them. I hope I like this guys teaching style because his rates are reasonable. When I talked to him again he was also fine with going out on the course aswell wich I think will be very helpful.

I'm finally getting a chance to really read through is whole thread and comment.  Thanks for the advice from the trainers/pros perspective.
3/9/2010 6:48:06 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
As someone who has played golf for nearly 15 years and is only 28 I have a few things I'm obligated to toss in the ring here.

First, there is no substitute for practice. Most people practice on the driving range and then go play a round of golf and that is fine, but you will get bored really quick.

Second, Course Management and mindset is about 85% of the game.

You can combine the two (non-traditional practice and course management) by picking 5 clubs and your putter and using them exclusively to play a round.

I also used to take my full set up, get to the first tee and drop 3 balls. I would visualize how I would want to play that hole and give myself 3 chances to hit the "perfect drive". from there I would give myself 3 chances to hit the perfect approach, finishing the hole out in the same fashion. Not only does this break the habit of grabbing a club on the driving range and hitting the same shot 20 times and then changing clubs, but it also helps with your mindset, you have to visualize the shot before you can hit it.

Taking the time to accurately measure how far each club goes with a normal tempo swing will save you several strokes, it will save your ego and confidence as well.

Third, and likely another 99% of the game (it's golf, it doesn't follow REAL math rules ) is CONFIDENCE.

Not only confidence in your ability, but also confidence that when you set that driver or iron down behind the ball you know you are going to hit it right where you want and it is going to feel great.

Many people get caught up in equipment and name brands and keeping matching sets of clubs. It's all hogwash, unless that makes them 1% more confident, then it is worth it.
For all the technology advances the average golf handicap has not gone down much (if at all) in the last 50 years.

I play with a 5 year old set of Hogan Tour GCD Irons with steel shafts, a Copy of a Nike Sasquatch, and a no name putter and can shoot low 80's to mid 70's on any given day. If I buckle down and prepare I can flirt with par and just under.

Basically, I've hit enough balls to get bored on the range and found other ways to practice, eventually I got to where I could visualize and then produce the shot that I wanted, and I selected equipment that made me 100% confident that I can achieve anything I visualize.

As far as lessons go, getting your swing on video is a great teaching aid. Having your clubs properly fitted before starting lessons is highly advantageous. And while I did take a few lessons when I was younger, the best way I found to learn was to play with people that are better than you and trying to compete with them.

After enough balls and enough blisters you will figure out what works. (everything is backwards... hit down the ball goes up, hit up the ball stays low, etc. etc.)

Lastly, but most important, golf is fun. If you start breaking clubs and cussing out lifelong friends then you are doing it wrong.

I've watched grown ass men melt down and throw clubs in the lake over a 1 dollar per hole stroke play match and it's fucking sad.

Golf was invented by madmen and it will drive you mad, just have fun with it and enjoy the outdoors even if you totally suck!

Hope I helped in this rambling post

Next time I'm out I'll have the wife shoot a bit of video and I'll show some of my trick shots - (I've got a killer Happy Gilmore variation)


Huh. Good point.

Thanks for taking the time to type that out. Lots of good stuff.


ETA:

Is any one watching the Haney Project with Ray Ramano?

Barkley was entertaining but it seems like it was impossible to break that horrid swing.

This season should be really good.
3/9/2010 6:51:34 PM EDT
[#25]
I haven't played in years due to a spine injury, but 10+ years ago my handicap was approaching zero.

I worked with a few coaches to help me get over humps, but I never found a coach whose philosophy meshed enough with my swing style/thoughts.



3/9/2010 7:07:03 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
ETA:

Is any one watching the Haney Project with Ray Ramano?

Barkley was entertaining but it seems like it was impossible to break that horrid swing.

This season should be really good.


I've watched the first couple of episodes.  I agree that it'll be interesting.  The stuff I've seen of Ray Romano behind the scenes, he seems really neurotic.  I think if he doesn't do well with Haney, it's going to be a mental thing, not physical.

I'm one of those guys who overthinks everything, and it's a terrible quality for a golfer.  I think the more you can get out of your head, the better.
3/9/2010 7:18:09 PM EDT
[#27]
'Throw the rope'
99% of golf is mental. Course management trumps strength. Know your club distances.
I usually practice by limbering up on the range and then playing 18 holes AT THE RANGE. Then I play 18 holes at the putting green.
3/9/2010 7:59:25 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Quoted:
ETA:

Is any one watching the Haney Project with Ray Ramano?

Barkley was entertaining but it seems like it was impossible to break that horrid swing.

This season should be really good.


I've watched the first couple of episodes.  I agree that it'll be interesting.  The stuff I've seen of Ray Romano behind the scenes, he seems really neurotic.  I think if he doesn't do well with Haney, it's going to be a mental thing, not physical.

I'm one of those guys who overthinks everything, and it's a terrible quality for a golfer.  I think the more you can get out of your head, the better.


I agree about him being neurotic.

It seems like he's already getting overwhelmed and it's just the second episode. He was already telling Haney that it was to much information for him to handle.

He can't stop cracking jokes either. I think that would be frustrating for Haney even though he probably doesn't do it as much when the cameras aren't around.