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Posted: 7/25/2005 6:44:22 AM EDT
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When asked.
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Posted: 7/25/2005 6:46:43 AM EDT
[#2]
Whenever they ask
Not without a lawyer
It depends on the circumstances. False report, obstruction of justice, etc.
That's a LOT of information that you're looking for. I'm sure that somebody might know of a website like that but I don't. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 6:47:17 AM EDT
[#3]
When they ask.
No
Depends, but don't lie about who you are. The fact of the matter is this. 9 times outa 10 if you treat them with respect you will get treated the same way back. They just want to go home like you do. ANd never did I EVER get hassled by the cops where I didn't deserve it. EVER. SGatr15 |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 7:57:25 AM EDT
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Most criminal cases are made because the suspect couldn't SHUT UP, and ended up giving enough information for the investigators to get enough evidence to convict them.
REMAIN SILENT. Your lawyer can always answer for you, when appropriate. -Troy |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 8:04:27 AM EDT
[#5]
Name, rank, serial number, and date of birth.
Make no other statements, written or oral, until after consulting with a lawyer. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 8:05:43 AM EDT
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If you lie it is always a problem for you. Getting caught in a lie is oftentimes used as probable cause for detention, search warrants, and whatever else is neccessary to figure out WHY you lied.
shooter |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 8:10:18 AM EDT
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You shouldn't be lying because you shouldn't be talking.
Give name, provide ID, shutup and ask for lawyer. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 8:12:57 AM EDT
[#8]
Be polite, respectful and show them where your hands are. Turn on the lights if its dark out.
You dont have to kiss their ass but I know I am innocent and they are just doing their jobs. I have been pulled over 5 times now in the last 3 years and no tickets. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 8:24:06 AM EDT
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You really have to define a specific situation for a reasonable answer to your questions.
If you're talking about traffic stops and searches you can start here but it is only a starting point. www.flexyourrights.org/ |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 8:40:20 AM EDT
[#10]
Use common sense. 
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Posted: 7/25/2005 8:43:32 AM EDT
[#11]
when they ask??? bullshit if a cop walks up to you for no appearent reason and asks for your papers you do not have to show them
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:12:59 AM EDT
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There is a website the ACLU made that talks about all you can do and good tips to defuse a situation before it becomes something; like when the cops come to your door, step out, close the door behind you , and lock it. I'll look for it, very good stuff, the ACLU is a very good group, just don't let that one or two douches you see on TV ruin your whole perseption of the orginization.
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:13:40 AM EDT
[#13]
Actually, wasn't there a Supreme Court case about this very issue? Didn't they rule that you HAD to provide ID when asked by a police officer? |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:14:10 AM EDT
[#14]
Depends on what state you live in. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:15:54 AM EDT
[#15]
http://www.aclu.org/PolicePractices/PolicePractices.cfm?ID=5009&c=25
There ya go. Good stuff. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:20:00 AM EDT
[#16]
There is no requirement for any US citizen to carry ID "papers" There are laws which state you must tell the officer your real name. Those laws that I have read make it a disorderly offense not to ID. In other words you can tell the cop your name and if you don't have any ID there is no crime, PERIOD! |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:21:07 AM EDT
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The ACLU are a bunch of fucking cocks. You've got that the other way around. Maybe there are one or two decent ones...maybe. With that said, there may be some valuable information regarding the do's and don'ts I really don't know. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:23:46 AM EDT
[#18]
How do you answer: "Do you know how fast your were going?"
I just say "yes" and leave it at that. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:24:32 AM EDT
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I'd rather take advice from the ACLU than ARFCOM. I tend to doubt a group if half their answers to a major problem is 'draw down' or 'nuke from orbit'. These people looked at every problem in many states and see how it can beprevented. I say this because of reading some of the stuff off the ACLU website saved me from some speeding tickets. They have many good ways to approach a problem and how to avoid hanging yourself with the rope you are given. ARFCOMMERS tend to forget not every LEO is a friend. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:26:16 AM EDT
[#20]
All Right, lets have it. What did you do?
 Patty
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:29:44 AM EDT
[#21]
Excuse me but if you're here poisting you are an "ARFCOMMER" And if you don't consider yourself one then why not GTFO! |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:31:52 AM EDT
[#22]
 Can someone kick this guy off ARFCOM please?  ACLU a good group? You mean the group that thinks terrorists deserve civil rights in the U.S.? |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:33:29 AM EDT
[#23]
Correct. I was assuming a traffic stop. Sgatr15 |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:34:29 AM EDT
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Pulled over, turned off the car, left both hands on my steering wheel, didn't move. Officer asked for ID/other crap, slowily pulled it out, gave it to him, I said nothing. Then he asked do you know why I pulled you over, I said no (avoiding self crimination, but I used better language than just no), he said I was speeding, doing 45 in 35, lookedme up and down, and gave me a verbal warning, I kept the deputies badge number and car number, so wrote it down later. Now, I was once with my father when a same situation happened identicle with this, did everything 100% different and got a $150 ticket. I'm also just some 18 year old and would usually have been nailed hard. But I kept cool and didn't say anything more than needed and got off. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:36:17 AM EDT
[#25]
I think Men are luckier about getting warnings then women are. I never get a warning. Patty
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:37:13 AM EDT
[#26]
Patty wasn't talking to you , she was talking to the thread author. (I think) |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:39:58 AM EDT
[#27]
 Thanks for the clarity. I was confused. Patty
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:41:57 AM EDT
[#28]
a question in the same vein. Am I required to carry my ID with me?
When I used to jog in the mornings I would only have my house key on me. One day I was stopped by the popo and they asked for my drivers license and said I was required to have it with me. I told them I was jogging, not driving and if they wanted to follow me to my house I would be glad to show them my car. They let me go with a warning to carry my ID . Are we required to carry ID at all times? |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:42:22 AM EDT
[#29]
As much as i hate to admit it, that is very true. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:44:10 AM EDT
[#30]
You might not have to literally give them your drivers license, but you must tell them your name which they can then run and is the same as handing over your DL. In Texas if you refuse then you can be charged with Failure to identify which I believe is a class B but possibly a class C misdemeanor. www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p01s01-usju.html |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:46:15 AM EDT
[#31]
I probably have it worse than the women being only an 18 year old. The CS and PD are very harsh on teens around here, usually when some one my age gets pulled, they ALWAYS get a ticket. I just followed what the ACLU said and I got out of one for being cool, collected, and caution. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:46:22 AM EDT
[#32]
Roger Baldwin the founder of the ACLU is an admitted Communist. 
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:46:54 AM EDT
[#33]
No. You're only required to have ID during certain activities. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:51:51 AM EDT
[#34]
I was going to say the same thing.  What else you should we really expect from someone that thinks the ACLU is a wonderful organization? 
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Posted: 7/25/2005 9:58:11 AM EDT
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Numerous people "talk" themselves into getting a traffic summons based on their attitude and what they say when the LEO never had any intention of issuing a summons in the first place. The best example I have of this is an officer stopped a woman exiting a shopping center with her handbag on top of her car (a common occurance). He had no intention of doing anything except to tell her about her handbag. When he exited the vehicle and approached her car she went ballistic about why she was stopped. The stupid bitch ended up with her car impounded, stuffed and cuffed and several summonses for suspended registration, expired inspection and aggravated unlicensed operation of a MV (she had a suspended license). |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 10:08:09 AM EDT
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I was told this too, when I lived in San Diego, they said it was due to a lot of illegals being there, and that if someone could not produce ID, they could be taken to the station until they had proof of who you are. That was a warning. Seemed a little on the 'out there' side, but I agreed. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 10:25:30 AM EDT
[#37]
?? What are these "certain activities" ?? |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:07:09 PM EDT
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[JBT]breathing[/JBT] |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:36:44 PM EDT
[#39]
You're expected to show cleavage. 
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:38:45 PM EDT
[#40]
In the words of Chris Rock:
1 Obey the Law 2 Be Polite 3 Turn that S**t Off 4 Shut the F**k Up 
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:47:23 PM EDT
[#41]
SCOTUS disagrees with you... |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:52:49 PM EDT
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I know that in NY if you're stopped you have 24 hours to show proof that you have a valid drivers license. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:55:48 PM EDT
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I know the DL has become the defacto identy paper, but you don't have to get one. For instance, some people don't drive. But don't lie to the popo about whether you have a DL. R. ETA: BTW, I went to that ACLU site and I feel dirty. I'm going to go shoot some targets now to get rid of that feeling. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:02:24 PM EDT
[#44]
+1 Still got my ticket though... but with a smile... ya know 
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:05:35 PM EDT
[#45]
Obviously driving is one, hunting is another, when carrying a concealed handgun. I'm sure there are more but those are the ones off the top of my head. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:10:09 PM EDT
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Hiibel vs. Arizona And IIRC, the ruling was that Hiibel had to show ID because of the situation. Someone had called in that he was abusing his daughter in the truck at the time. Also, he was drunk at the time. He had to show it because they had probable cause and wanted to make sure he was who he was and not a rapist/kidnapper. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:10:18 PM EDT
[#47]
How about buying beer or going to a bar...
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:14:16 PM EDT
[#48]
The police doesnt require you to carry ID at these times. The establishments do.
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:15:07 PM EDT
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The rest makes sense, but do you actually have to show ID if say, you are walking down the street ? Does this apply to all juristictions ? I know it applies during a traffic stop, obviously. When I've been questioned by police, all they ever wanted was my name, age, where I was from and they pretty much left it at that. I've never had one actually ask for ID. Most of the time, they didn't even want my name or any info on me, just wanted to ask me if I had seen/heard anything. I've never lied to a cop before, but I have simply given "I don't know" answers before to questions that I didn't feel comfortable answering.
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Posted: 7/25/2005 2:15:34 PM EDT
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They are forced by law, which is enforced by police. 
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