[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Girls Leaning Backwards? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 2/15/2009 1:43:11 AM EDT
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Girls Leaning Backwards? What gives with this? It seems that every time I see a picture of a very new (only ever a female) shooter they are leaning way back while shooting. Not only does it look uncomfortable, but it also must hinder the shooter's ability to handle the recoil of the gun. You would lose the natural bracing of your body while standing in this position. If anything I would expect people to favor leaning far forward as that would actually help to control recoil. Anyway, what am I missing here? Does anyone have answers or will this just have to go into my big pile of unanswered questions? MAX |
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Quoted: It's just poor form by new shooters, and it's not just females. I think maybe they're trying to counterbalance the firearm in an effort to hold still. So are you saying that they are leaning back in effort to compensate for holding an object of weight out in front of them? Weaver stance would allow the gun to be kept closer to the body helping this problem. It would also put one of your feet back to help with balance. Maybe this would be a good suggestion for people experiencing this problem. MAX |
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Girls Leaning Backwards? What gives with this? It seems that every time I see a picture of a very new (only ever a female) shooter they are leaning way back while shooting. Not only does it look uncomfortable, but it also must hinder the shooter's ability to handle the recoil of the gun. You would lose the natural bracing of your body while standing in this position. If anything I would expect people to favor leaning far forward as that would actually help to control recoil. Anyway, what am I missing here? Does anyone have answers or will this just have to go into my big pile of unanswered questions? MAX Poor stance... They are trying to (a) look down the sights, (b) face feet-paralell-to-the-target, and (c) hod the weapon... The thought 'I should turn sideways, and swing it across my chest so that I can get good sight picture standing straight up' doesn't ocurr to them..... |
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They are also balancing: their center of gravity is in their hips so to balance their weight over their hips they lean back and keep the weapon in front of them. Every time I'm told to lean forward, and shown a proper stance it seems really awkward. I try to be in a "proper" stance, but the trade off is I'm off balance. 
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Quoted: I suspect they're simply focusing on holding the weapon (and their arms) up, like they'd hold a heavy book or a baby or something. That or they're not sure how to put one foot forward so they don't tip over.  I suppose a proper shooting stance is simply whatever works well for the shooter, it just looks so "wrong"! |
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They are also balancing: their center of gravity is in their hips so to balance their weight over their hips they lean back and keep the weapon in front of them. Every time I'm told to lean forward, and shown a proper stance it seems really awkward. I try to be in a "proper" stance, but the trade off is I'm off balance.
Try moving your non-dominant foot forward, moving 80% of your weight to the balls of your feet and using your butt to offset the weight of the rifle. Done properly you'll be a foot shorter than standing upright, maybe more, but you will be balanced well to shoot. It's not comfortable but it controls recoil––in this position I can put 28 rounds on a playing card at 5 yards. |
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They are also balancing: their center of gravity is in their hips so to balance their weight over their hips they lean back and keep the weapon in front of them. Every time I'm told to lean forward, and shown a proper stance it seems really awkward. I try to be in a "proper" stance, but the trade off is I'm off balance.
Try moving your non-dominant foot forward, moving 80% of your weight to the balls of your feet and using your butt to offset the weight of the rifle. Done properly you'll be a foot shorter than standing upright, maybe more, but you will be balanced well to shoot. It's not comfortable but it controls recoil––in this position I can put 28 rounds on a playing card at 5 yards. Thanks! Will try that, even if I look goofy as hell. If it wasn't for my need to have a "correct" stance, I'd be ok. I actually have pretty good groupings at the range...with my incorrect posture there.
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They are compensating for a lack of upper body strength, and holding a weapon that comprises a much higher percentage of their body weight than your AR-15 is for you. Some of you macho guys need to take an off hand stance with an Armalite AR-50 and see what your form looks like.
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Women don't have as much upper body strength as men, it really boils down to that. Plus, with novice shooters, I reckon there is some timidness of muzzle blast mixed in with it all as well: Here's my friends Kira and Paige for example: http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/46/l_8fe7d4d76f22447e4f1bf8c68adee0b8.jpg http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_8a7a3ca50ab134849716fb5d41da4038.jpg We need FACE shots.... 
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Difference in CoG and relative lack of upper body strength combined with not having learned proper stance and I also think that anticipating recoil and wanting greater distance from the report/blast also has something to do with it as well..
On the other hand,I have seen many guys lean far enough forward the first time they were shooting that it was like they wanted to get the bullet 3 feet closer to the target,not to mention the little jab to help it on its way as well. |
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Quoted: Women don't have as much upper body strength as men, it really boils down to that. Plus, with novice shooters, I reckon there is some timidness of muzzle blast mixed in with it all as well: Here's my friends Kira and Paige for example: http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/46/l_8fe7d4d76f22447e4f1bf8c68adee0b8.jpg http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_8a7a3ca50ab134849716fb5d41da4038.jpg More pics of Paige, please! Me like redheads. |
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The answer is simple. Boobies. I would think the weight of the boobies would help them lean forward into the shot ... Um... If you want to balance, you would tend to lean back.  We need pics of said boobs , so we can get a ......ummm........feel of the situation....... 
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It's a body type thing.
Most of the time if you tell a woman to "put her weight forward, they will kick their butt in and lean back. Most of their weight is in their hips. Heaviest bone structure in the body. Whereas men have a heavier core and stronger upper body. So to put our weight forward, we lean forward. |
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They are compensating for a lack of upper body strength, and holding a weapon that comprises a much higher percentage of their body weight than your AR-15 is for you. Some of you macho guys need to take an off hand stance with an Armalite AR-50 and see what your form looks like. Yeah. Thats a part of it too. I've played with a lot of fun rifles. One of the guys here brought some really fun ones to a SoCal shoot... I'm not a wimp, at all, but those things were really heavy to me. Trying for perfect stance then was total fail. |
| It's not so much poor stance as it is poor instruction. Teachers who can't teach aren't just in schools. Women respond well to instruction and if their shooting instructor knew better, he, and most likely it is a he, will instruct them to lean slightly towards the target so as to place their body mass in a position to help control the recoil. |
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It's just poor form by new shooters, and it's not just females. I think maybe they're trying to counterbalance the firearm in an effort to hold still. This. Last summer I made this mistake with a shotgun (first time skeet shooting.) GPK007 TOLD me to lean into it, I didn't (partly due to NOT understanding the kick I was gonna get and partly due to a sore shoulder to start with––trying to "protect" it) and wound up with a bruise the size of Iowa on my shoulder and bicep. After the first shot, I quickly adjusted.
I knew better, had been instructed better, but still did it. 
I don't particularly think my uterus had much to do with it, but I will say that for some new female shooters, an inherent "fear" of the firearm may make them "step back" until they get used to it. |
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The answer is simple. Boobies. yep most girls are top heavy 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxBBg8RKDJI |
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They are also balancing: their center of gravity is in their hips so to balance their weight over their hips they lean back and keep the weapon in front of them. Every time I'm told to lean forward, and shown a proper stance it seems really awkward. I try to be in a "proper" stance, but the trade off is I'm off balance.
women also have a different upper body mass/strength than men. I have noticed this as well in training women, with a lower center of gravity, smaller upper body mass and strength, the stance has to be different and adjusted for think balance while carrying a beachball filled with water under your rib cage for 5 months, this is the design difference betweeen man and women |
| I noticed the first time I took my g/f shooting (Ruger10/22) that part of this "leanback" problem was caused by the fact her arms are way too short to properly hold the gun; so she would lean back and hold the gun forward to try to get a sight picture. The only gun I have that fits her is when I have the ceinerkit in the M4, and the stock all the way collapsed. |
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They are also balancing: their center of gravity is in their hips so to balance their weight over their hips they lean back and keep the weapon in front of them. Every time I'm told to lean forward, and shown a proper stance it seems really awkward. I try to be in a "proper" stance, but the trade off is I'm off balance.
Probably because of the weight offset that women have due to their Chesticles... ETA, nevermind, I'm not as smart as I think I am! |
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One word: Babies. Women are built to carry weight on their front so they can carry a child during pregnancy and lug it around until it walks. Men are better at carrying weight on their backs. If a woman is holding something heavy in front she will lean back.
A good way to break a woman of leaning back is to have her stand with a pretend gun in her hands and point it towards you. Push back slightly on her hands and she'll become unbalanced (fill in your clever quips here  ) and have to step back. Another exercise is to have her imagine that she's going to catch a heavy object being tossed at her. Natural response is crouch and bend forward.
There's a way to show the differences in how we carry weight. Here's a youtube video of it. Pt.2 is linked in the "related videos". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m10py4qA5H0 |
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Quoted: They are compensating for a lack of upper body strength, and holding a weapon that comprises a much higher percentage of their body weight than your AR-15 is for you. Some of you macho guys need to take an off hand stance with an Armalite AR-50 and see what your form looks like. Would ya settle for a Ferret 50?     |
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For low recoiling guns (air guns/ .22lr), this is actually proper form –– especially for women. Look at an Olympic match shooter they all lean back to some degree in order to place their elbow against their hip. What they're doing is creating a straight line of bone from the wrist down to the feet so they don't have to use muscles to support the weight of the rifle.
I'm not saying this is the proper stance for an AR-15, but there is some logic to it. http://www.mec-shot.com/knowledge/basicpositionsideview.html |
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becuase their coach is a fucktard and can't relax them around the firearm, for whatever reason. Quoted:
Girls Leaning Backwards? What gives with this? It seems that every time I see a picture of a very new (only ever a female) shooter they are leaning way back while shooting. Not only does it look uncomfortable, but it also must hinder the shooter's ability to handle the recoil of the gun. You would lose the natural bracing of your body while standing in this position. If anything I would expect people to favor leaning far forward as that would actually help to control recoil. Anyway, what am I missing here? Does anyone have answers or will this just have to go into my big pile of unanswered questions? MAX |
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