User Panel
Posted: 3/11/2018 11:46:30 AM EDT
Summary of Grassley/Cruz Gun Substitute Increases resources and tools for prosecuting criminals (Gun prosecutions have declined under President Obama and current proposed legislation does not address this issue)
Resources: National Project Exile Expansion. Provides $15 million per year for 3 years for more Assistant U.S. Attorneys and Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms agents. Applies to fifteen jurisdictions with highest violent crime rates and three tribal jurisdictions with highest rates. Cruz Task Force. Task Force and $10 million per year for 5 years to prosecute felons and fugitives who try to get guns. Created task force and proposes funding of $10 million per year for five years to prosecute felons and fugitives who fail National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) funded through the Asset Forfeiture Fund. Tools: Criminalizes straw purchasing. In targeted, responsible way that doesn't sweep in innocent conduct. Criminalizes trafficking. In a responsible way that doesn't turn minor gun offenses into arms trafficking offenses. Increases resources for school safety (President Obama's budget cut school safety funding) o Secure Our Schools grants. Provides $30 million per year for 10 years under Title III funds. Addresses mental health. o Increases resources for mental health. Reauthorizes Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act. This provides $40 million per year for five years for mental health courts, crisis intervention teams, veteran treatment courts, police academy curricula, and transitional services in prison. Allows Byrne and COPS grants to be used for mental health purposes. o Gives states incentives to provide mental health records to NICS federal database. Reauthorizes NICS Improvement Amendments Act grants at $20 million per year for 5 years, so states can implement systems to report these records. Increases Byrne grant penalties for states' failure to provide mental health records. o Clarifies which records must be submitted NICS. Codifies Obama executive order requiring the Attorney General to issue guidance to federal agencies. Requires federal court information to be made available to NICS. o Fixes the definition of adjudicated mentally incompetent so single doctors can't infringe on 2nd Amendment rights. Includes pro-gun provisions. o Allows interstate firearm sales. o Allows military members to buy guns in state of residence or where stationed. o Allows firearms dealers to access NICS to do background checks on employees (with notice and their consent). o Allows interstate transportation of firearms if certain conditions are met (e.g., in vehicle, unloaded, locked or in trunk), and preempts state law to the contrary. Increases executive branch accountability. o Federal agencies must submit a report to Congress on how many records they submit to NICS. o Attorney General must report to Congress on gun prosecutions. o Top official at DOJ must personally approve any Fast and Furious programs (selling guns to criminals). o Clarifies that ATF can't collect information on purchases of certain rifles in southwest border states. o Requires report to Congress regarding ammunition purchases by federal agencies. Initiates a study by National Institute of Justice and National Academy of Sciences to solve mass shootings. Let your legislators know that you urge them to pass this instead of Cornyn's 'Fix NICS' bill!! Use this handy dandy tool! Alphajaguars composed this cut and paste letter to use: As a constituent, I am writing to express my strong opposition to the 'Fix NICS' bill as it is a 'trojan horse' gun control bill. Instead I STRONGLY urge you to support and pass the 'Grassley-Cruz' bill. Additionally, you need to pass H.R. 1181, The Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act. This is urgently important if you believe veterans shouldn't have their 2nd amendment rights denied without due process. I look forward to your response and will consider your votes on these important issues the next time I vote at the polls. Thank you. |
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Got a better idea. Stop spending my money and fix the budget first.
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Looks like a good bill instead of that horrible ‘Fix NICS’ bill. Hit to my reps...
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Any bill that isn’t the reversal of a previous gun control law is just more gun control. FDJT FTC View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Why would I want expansion of BATFE?
ETA: Allows Fast and Furious type operations as long as there’s super duper approval? |
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What type of mental health record are they talking of being reported to NICS?!
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Know how we can tell you didn't read the summary? Too much trouble to read something that would preserve your rights. Am I right? View Quote And more money for more federal agents. I don’t want more Fed.gov spending just so an active duty soldier can buy a gun in a state that he/she is stationed in. Make that a separate bill that stands on its own. |
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Quoted: Do you trust the Federal Government to make the distinction between a straw purchase and not? I don't. You knew someone would say it because you know I'm right. View Quote Seems you missed the 'Criminalizes straw purchasing. In targeted, responsible way that doesn't sweep in innocent conduct.' part. |
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I stopped reading at the straw man bullshit. And more money for more federal agents. I don’t want more Fed.gov spending just so an active duty soldier can buy a gun in a state that he/she is stationed in. Make that a separate bill that stands on its own. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Know how we can tell you didn't read the summary? Too much trouble to read something that would preserve your rights. Am I right? And more money for more federal agents. I don’t want more Fed.gov spending just so an active duty soldier can buy a gun in a state that he/she is stationed in. Make that a separate bill that stands on its own. |
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I read the summary.... and there is a while bunch of "so what?" in there. More laws that do nothing.
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You apparently didn't grasp even what the summary outlines, let alone what is in the actual bill. Seems you missed the 'Criminalizes straw purchasing. In targeted, responsible way that doesn't sweep in innocent conduct.' part. View Quote |
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One that isn't the opinion of one single Doctor. Read the bill. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What type of mental health record are they talking of being reported to NICS?! You could argue, but you’d be wrong. Just FYI, I enjoy the shit out of your posts and I don’t have anything bad to say about you. But I will disagree with you until the end of time on this. |
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I've contacted my reps a zillion times using that NRA-ILA link.............and told them no new gun control.............none ever reply back, but I will keep hammering them
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Shooter revealed gory fantasies to his therapists years before the Parkland massacre
By Carol Marbin Miller And Kyra Gurney March 09, 2018 07:24 PM Updated March 10, 2018 09:14 AM Nearly four years before school shooter Nikolas Cruz gunned down 17 students and educators at a Parkland high school, he confided in a therapist that he saw himself in a dream drenched in human blood. A May 3, 2014, notation in a Broward County schools psychiatric file said Cruz “reported [a dream] last week of him killing people and covered in blood. He smiled and told the therapist that sometimes he says things for shock value.” After Cruz’s disclosure to his therapist at the alternative Cross Creek School, administrators developed a “safety plan” to ensure the welfare of Cruz and others while the teen was on summer vacation. The plan included provisions for removing “all sharp objects from the home” and encouraging the youth to “verbalize what the problem is.” If talking about “the problem” was seen as a solution to Cruz’s volatile behavior — and, in the short term, it may have been — it did not last. Portions of his psychiatric file, obtained by the Miami Herald on Friday, show a young man whose mental health exhibited frequent and extreme swings. His attitude would brighten for weeks at a time, then descend again into paranoia and anger. Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article204450699.html#storylink=cpy |
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Got a letter back from Ed Berger
"To this point legislation has not yet come to the Senate floor. I will watch for it and consider your concerns." Of course, I did a block email to all my reps, both state and federal. Berger is a state senator for the Hutch district, and a huge RINO. |
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Ever? You people should listen to yourselves sometime. http://i64.tinypic.com/2n1zvh4.gif As the above map demonstrates, gun control laws get repealed all the time. The reason people are wetting their pants now over raising the age of gun purchase and banning a device that didn't exist 5 years ago is because gun ownership has been on a tear over the past 25 years and we haven't had to face the realistic prospect of a gun ban. View Quote |
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Yeah, and there are a number of instances in which you can be prosecuted for stupid shit. This fixes those instances. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Yeah, and there are a number of instances in which you can be prosecuted for stupid shit. This fixes those instances. That entire list is full of gay and aids and makes most of the points look useless at best, and bad for us at worst. ETA: like this Top official at DOJ must personally approve any Fast and Furious programs (selling guns to criminals). |
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Criminalizes straw purchasing. In targeted, responsible way that doesn't sweep in innocent conduct.
Straw purchasing is already illegal, do they even prosecute for it. [b] Allows interstate transportation of firearms if certain conditions are met (e.g., in vehicle, unloaded, locked or in trunk), and preempts state law to the contrary. Increases executive branch accountability. Interesting because so many in the GD said the great conservative Reagan gave us this back in 86, and it was more important than his banning of machineguns. |
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Isn't the Grassley/Cruz Bill from 2013?
Yep. http://www.weapon-blog.com/2013/04/grassleycruz-gun-substitute/ Is it being re-introduced in 2018? |
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With all due respect. That summary is shit then, and needs to be fucking adjusted. Rather than saying "criminalizes so and so" which implies new restrictions. why not say "adjusts blah blah to prevent overzealous assholes from prosecuting you for x y and z" That entire list is full of gay and aids and makes most of the points look useless at best, and bad for us at worst. View Quote |
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Almost all the pro gun things are legal and happening already....
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So you support background checks, strengthening background checks, adding mental health to background checks, and requiring/forcing states to give up information and provide it to the federal government? View Quote If you agree, then how else do you propose doing that without some type of background check on gun purchasers? Here's a Rorschach test for you: Should Nikolas Cruz have been allowed to own guns? If you answer yes, then don't condemn the police, schools, and mental counselors for looking the other way the dozens of times they dealt with him; in your world, they wouldn't have had the authority to prevent him from owning guns in the first place. If you answer no, then pray tell how would you have ensured he didn't get his hands on an AR? Asked him nicely to give them up until he's feeling better? |
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Isn't the Grassley/Cruz Bill from 2013. Yep. http://www.weapon-blog.com/2013/04/grassleycruz-gun-substitute/ Is it being re-introduced in 2018? View Quote |
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I'd love to read this bill. What's its number? View Quote |
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