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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:02:21 AM EDT
Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community.

The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here.



Anyway BBC story in English
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 12:03:46 AM EDT
In before the Muslims start rioting over the verdict.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 12:08:11 AM EDT




Excellent news...!!!

Link Posted: 6/23/2011 12:09:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By millfire517:
In before the Muslims start rioting over the verdict.


Same here because Muslims reserve the right to hate speech.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 12:40:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community.

The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here.



Anyway BBC story in English


well, seeing how muslims will frown on this, you will probably see a article next week saying he was killed in a isolated incident by a guy named amhed, but i am sure that the press will mention that it wasnt due to his stances on islam
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 12:45:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Fullautoguy:
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community.

The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here.



Anyway BBC story in English


well, seeing how muslims will frown on this, you will probably see a article next week saying he was killed in a isolated incident by a guy unnamed amhed, but i am sure that the press will mention that it wasnt due to his stances on islam


Link Posted: 6/23/2011 1:03:41 AM EDT
I'm glad to hear he was not convicted.  I hope he continues to speak out.  This is a small victory, but a rather pleasant one.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 1:13:23 AM EDT



Originally Posted By bigstick61:


I'm glad to hear he was not convicted.  I hope he continues to speak out.  This is a small victory, but a rather pleasant one.


I can't tell if it is or not. The fact that such a charge can be made in the first place is disturbing. After that, whether they find you guilty or not seems irrelevant.



 
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 1:46:44 AM EDT
Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 1:53:34 AM EDT



Originally Posted By iggy1337:


Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic.



not the one you wanted but I always found this one funny







 
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 2:12:45 AM EDT
That is a bit of unexpected good news.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 2:14:51 AM EDT
My Father-in-law grew up, and still lives in Holland.  He is here in the states right now, and he thinks that Wilders may be the next Prime Minister.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 2:26:08 AM EDT
Great news but I'm sure he has a security detail that won't have a moment of rest for a long time.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 2:28:03 AM EDT
Good to know Europe still gets a few things right.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 2:31:58 AM EDT



Originally Posted By iggy1337:


Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic.



Is this the same High Commission on Human Rights that includes Sudan and Syria as members?



 
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 2:43:40 AM EDT
A (minor) victory for Western Civilization against the invading hordes.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 2:52:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic.


Yep.

Keep flinging legal poop until something sticks...

Link Posted: 6/23/2011 3:06:26 AM EDT
as a lawer don't you think the judge had an obligation to find him not guilty since the law is unconstitutional?
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 3:11:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 3:33:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community.

The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here.



Anyway BBC story in English


OH god, it would've been better if he was found guilty and then the scene from "Gandhi" was recreated.

Judge :  "Mr. Wilders we find you guilty of inciting hatred against the muslim community."  (half the court cheers)
"However in the spirit of tolerance we fine you 500 euros only and let this judgement stand as a symbol that hatred has no place in a western democracy"

Mr Wilders:  "I refuse to pay 500 euros."  (the other half of the court laughs)

Judge : "Very well then, in the spirit of unity, I will reduce the fine to 1 euro."

Mr Wilders: "I refuse to pay 1 euro............DOM KUTJE! !"    (the whole court goes:  oooooooohhh no he dint!!!)

Judge: "Very well the fine is waived"

At that point a bunch of men with bright orange beards stand up "Arrrgh!! He no pay fine??!! WE KEEL YOU FOR SAYING MUSLIM NO PEACE FULL!!! Kaaafir!!!

The end.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:27:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hollywood387:
as a lawer don't you think the judge had an obligation to find him not guilty since the law is unconstitutional?


No he was found not guilty of the matierial crime of offending Muslims, the judges got out of this one by saying his comments were aimed at the religion Islam but did not offend individual Muslims. I't was legaly a BS argument but it offered the judges a way out.

There are really no constitutional protections, in the Dutch legal system the constitution has a bit of a strange position, and is seen here more as a guideline for lawmakers that actual law a individual can use. A Dutch judge for instance can't find a national law unconstitutional so the constitution is pretty much useless  

Thats also why I am so intrested in the mechanics of the US constitution and BOR.

Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:29:06 AM EDT
I'm happy to hear this, congrats sir!
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:34:06 AM EDT
In before!



Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:40:16 AM EDT
Members of minority groups who initiated the case had told the trial that Mr Wilders' comments had led to a rise in discrimination and violence against Muslims.


Cry me a fucking river...

Isn't Islam the cult that demands that non-believers pay a protection racket to remain alive, and which incites violence against all non-Muslims?

I hope their heads collectively explode.

Fuck 'em.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:47:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Members of minority groups who initiated the case had told the trial that Mr Wilders' comments had led to a rise in discrimination and violence against Muslims.


Cry me a fucking river...

Isn't Islam the cult that demands that non-believers pay a protection racket to remain alive, and which incites violence against all non-Muslims?

I hope their heads collectively explode.

Fuck 'em.


Yes I saw that as wel, but note how they dont go into any specifics or quote any numbers,figured it was just some BBC bs reporting.

On the other hand you might want to have a look at the non discrimination by our local Muslim yutes.

Jews just walking around Amsterdam
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:54:21 AM EDT
A small victory for western civilization. Sadly, it came out of western civilization's war upon itself.

I can hope it heralds future gains, and eventually a Europe with a spine.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:55:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
There are really no constitutional protections, in the Dutch legal system the constitution has a bit of a strange position, and is seen here more as a guideline for lawmakers that actual law a individual can use. A Dutch judge for instance can't find a national law unconstitutional so the constitution is pretty much useless


So they got the "living, breathing" version, eh?

Link Posted: 6/23/2011 5:59:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LoneStarZombieHunter:
Originally Posted By millfire517:
In before the Muslims start rioting over the verdict.


Same here because Muslims reserve the right to hate speech.


Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:13:03 AM EDT
Geert Wilders telling the truth is hate speech?

If I said "Rabid dogs bite people and give them rabies, which is a deadly disease," does that constitute hate speech against dogs?

Simply stating a fact?
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:15:45 AM EDT
I'm glad to hear Geert got off.  
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:29:14 AM EDT




I think that sums up my feelings.

Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:41:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
Geert Wilders telling the truth is hate speech?

If I said "Rabid dogs bite people and give them rabies, which is a deadly disease," does that constitute hate speech against dogs?

Simply stating a fact?


+1 (good analogy, too)

Link Posted: 6/23/2011 6:59:36 AM EDT


Hells yeah.  One for the good guys.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 7:19:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/23/2011 7:22:31 AM EDT by R6551GNR]
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Anyway Geert Wilders was found not guilty for the crime of insighting hate against the Muslim community.

The thing is as a lawyer I would say that he should be found guilty by the letter of the law (the law itself is a violation of the right of freedom of speech and sucks ass all round). But I think the judges noticed that a guilty verdict would just cause a whole lot of shit here.



Anyway BBC story in English



Same situation in Canada.

They tried to convict Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant of hate crimes crimes against their made up little law, and they said "I'm guilty as hell, convict me".

They wouldn't do it.

Political correctness is a passive/aggressive disease. It is more important for a hate crime law to survive intact than it is to make a point - so if high profile offenders have to be let off the hook in the name of "freedom of speach" in order to preserve the law to go after low profile offenders- so be it.

The witch trials are used to demonstrate "how fair" the law is  

Your mileage may vary at your witch trial  

As long as any hate crime law is on the books, Liberty is in danger. Luckily, these laws may be on their way out in Canada. Hope the Dutchmen are of the same mind.

Link Posted: 6/23/2011 10:40:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Originally Posted By hollywood387:
as a lawer don't you think the judge had an obligation to find him not guilty since the law is unconstitutional?


No he was found not guilty of the matierial crime of offending Muslims, the judges got out of this one by saying his comments were aimed at the religion Islam but did not offend individual Muslims. I't was legaly a BS argument but it offered the judges a way out.

There are really no constitutional protections, in the Dutch legal system the constitution has a bit of a strange position, and is seen here more as a guideline for lawmakers that actual law a individual can use. A Dutch judge for instance can't find a national law unconstitutional so the constitution is pretty much useless  

Thats also why I am so intrested in the mechanics of the US constitution and BOR.



The irony is that the creators of ours looked at yours from the days of the crowned republic for inspiration in its creation.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 10:44:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 10:53:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By millfire517:
In before the Muslims start rioting over the verdict.


I suspect it won't happen. Most muslims wouldn't be bothered.

Link Posted: 6/23/2011 10:54:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Well a couple of minority groups (who made the original police complaint) have now declared they will be taking the case to UN's humanrights commission, so que the UN helmet pic.


Yep.

Keep flinging legal poop until something sticks...



And all done with legal aid.
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 10:57:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Members of minority groups who initiated the case had told the trial that Mr Wilders' comments had led to a rise in discrimination and violence against Muslims.


Cry me a fucking river...

Isn't Islam the cult that demands that non-believers pay a protection racket to remain alive, and which incites violence against all non-Muslims?

I hope their heads collectively explode.

Fuck 'em.


Yes I saw that as wel, but note how they dont go into any specifics or quote any numbers,figured it was just some BBC bs reporting.

On the other hand you might want to have a look at the non discrimination by our local Muslim yutes.

Jews just walking around Amsterdam


Yep.....This is the BBC remember.... it curently makes MSNBC look like Combat 18
Link Posted: 6/23/2011 11:09:19 AM EDT
Wow, the truth is still apparently a valid defense even in socialist Europe.
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