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Posted: 9/21/2005 7:28:07 AM EDT
after reading the damit bush post,

does anyone think that they have a legitiment chance of winning the next presidency?

i mean Iraq is turning into you run of the mill third world shithole, but hey they are working on a constitution! and yes i have been their

the way that they are giving away billions of dollars with out cutting anything else, approving the high way bill, and fighting two conflicts. thats almost a Trillioin dollars that the conservative party is allowing to be blown.

and not to mention oil and gas prices that are insane, but thats ok, ANWAR is safe

do you think people are tired of the same old lines comes out of a repub adminastration?

now i cant stand to even look at Hitlery, but i think that after the past few years, people are ready for some type of change. im not saying that i want to see a change. i am just wondering what the GOP's shot is in 2008
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:31:38 AM EDT
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his hands full.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:37:45 AM EDT
im just wondering if i should stock up on all types of recieves, AR's,AK's,FAL's,HK's may not be around if hitler comes to power
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:40:19 AM EDT
First of all, Bush won't be running again. The next GOP candidate will be a whole different person and won't necessarily be judged based on what Bush did or did not do. It's not going to be Bush. It's not going to be Cheney. The GOP nominee may not even have any connection to the Bush admin and therefore have a completely clean slate.

Second, if the democrats nominate some liberal assface like Hillary, Kerry, etc, then I'd say our chances are pretty good, regardless of who the GOP nominee is.

If you'll consider all that went wrong for Bush in the year prior to the last election and then consider the fact he still won, that tells you how people think. They fear liberals. That's why Dukakis lost in landslide. It's why Kerry lost last year.

The only chance the democrats have is to nominate someone who could be deemed a moderate.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:41:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By m4hk33:
im just wondering if i should stock up on all types of recieves, AR's,AK's,FAL's,HK's may not be around if hitler comes to power



The answer is always YES.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:45:41 AM EDT
The Dems aren't stepping up into the vacuum of power left behind by Bush's incompetency with anything new. Which is kind of a surprise. I bet the end result is that we get a new GOP candidate that scares all the WOT pot-bangers so bad they wet themselves electing a dictator and we flush the tattered remains of the Constitution down the toilet.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:47:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By t-stox:
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his hands full.



Her hands...I really think Hitlery has a damn good chance of winning. The nomination is hers if she wants it, and she wants it. Iraq will be a main issue, and her ppl. will spin it against the Repub. candidate, no matter who it is...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:48:22 AM EDT
people are not gonna elect a socialist except for some extroadinary situation.

democrats are basically euro-socialists in all but name. want government patterned somewhat like germany or france, netherlands or spain. current national demo leaders think this way. want the us to be the big dog and a sortof world-EU. small military, mucho touchy-feely sentiments, huge safety nets, tons of govt control. none of their current candidates are appealing to the public at large. some have a rabid core following that make so much noise it scars the spit out of many non-thinking conservatives.

way i see it, the next pres election is the repubs to loose unless someone takes over the demo party and runs off dean, gorge soros, the hildabeast, egore, michael moore, the hollyweird left, al sharpton, jessie jackson and a bunch of others i cant think of.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:49:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By m4hk33:
im just wondering if i should stock up on all types of recieves, AR's,AK's,FAL's,HK's may not be around if hitler comes to power



If you are that worried, buy ammo, not recievers.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:49:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By t-stox:
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his hands full.



Her hands...I really think Hitlery has a damn good chance of winning. The nomination is hers if she wants it, and she wants it. Iraq will be a main issue, and her ppl. will spin it against the Repub. candidate, no matter who it is...




The gloves will come off if Hillary runs. All the crap that was covered up and swept under the rug during Bill's terms will come out.

What about the dozen or two people linked to the Clintons who have died mysterious deaths in the past 20 years.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:51:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By t-stox:
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his hands full.



Her hands...I really think Hitlery has a damn good chance of winning. The nomination is hers if she wants it, and she wants it. Iraq will be a main issue, and her ppl. will spin it against the Repub. candidate, no matter who it is...



That will never happen. She simply can't win enough states to put her over. She wouldn't win a single state in the south, the Plains, most of the midwest and the mountains of the west.

The only place she could have any success is in the northeast in the liberal pits and California.

Hillary would win fewer states than Kerry did.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:53:33 AM EDT
Lots of folks are gonna go third party therfore enabling the Dems to take the White house.

As rabid and freaky as the Dems have become, they will cut a full out assault on our Nation and strip it of its sovereignty within 2 yrs of taking over. They will do so much irreversible damage we may never recover.

count on it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:55:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By m4hk33:
after reading the damit bush post,

does anyone think that they have a legitiment chance of winning the next presidency?



Yes, I think they will almost certainly win, given who I believe the Democrats will nominate.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 7:59:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By t-stox:
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his hands full.



Her hands...I really think Hitlery has a damn good chance of winning. The nomination is hers if she wants it, and she wants it. Iraq will be a main issue, and her ppl. will spin it against the Repub. candidate, no matter who it is...



That will never happen. She simply can't win enough states to put her over. She wouldn't win a single state in the south, the Plains, most of the midwest and the mountains of the west.

The only place she could have any success is in the northeast in the liberal pits and California.

Hillary would win fewer states than Kerry did.




Yup....



- georgestrings
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 8:01:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 8:02:06 AM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:
The Dems aren't stepping up into the vacuum of power left behind by Bush's incompetency with anything new. Which is kind of a surprise. I bet the end result is that we get a new GOP candidate that scares all the WOT pot-bangers so bad they wet themselves electing a dictator and we flush the tattered remains of the Constitution down the toilet.



I hate to agree with ya, but I agree with ya.

There are some on the right that are just as idiotic as the left. I have seen so many posts by folks on this forum who support many unconstitutional issues. Many want the Military to be able to be used as LE and carry live ammo and patrol our streets, for our own good of course. Many prefer we live like a third worls terrorist nation and prop up a heavily armed police presence, for our own good. ( the police should be effective, but not become another standing localized Army) We better be careful what we set up for the inevtable next party leadership, if we are not careful we ill give them to tools they need to destroy us. If our own do not do it first.

I still feel third prt voters will ensure us a Democrat party victory though.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 8:09:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
First of all, Bush won't be running again. The next GOP candidate will be a whole different person and won't necessarily be judged based on what Bush did or did not do. It's not going to be Bush. It's not going to be Cheney. The GOP nominee may not even have any connection to the Bush admin and therefore have a completely clean slate.

Second, if the democrats nominate some liberal assface like Hillary, Kerry, etc, then I'd say our chances are pretty good, regardless of who the GOP nominee is.

If you'll consider all that went wrong for Bush in the year prior to the last election and then consider the fact he still won, that tells you how people think. They fear liberals. That's why Dukakis lost in landslide. It's why Kerry lost last year.

The only chance the democrats have is to nominate someone who could be deemed a moderate.



+1 we are at the bottom of a bad cycle. Three + year s is a long time.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 8:12:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 8:18:27 AM EDT by Charging_Handle]
Third party candidates don't scare me much. They typically get what, 5% of the vote? Folks, if Hillary is the democratic nominee, it's not going to be close enough to even worry about that 5%.

Besides, third party candidates are typically dumbasses who are rejected by their former parties. Look at Ralph Nader. He really makes me shiver in my boots. LOL. He steals votes from the left more so than he does from the right.

The only potential third party candidate I can think of that would cause trouble for the GOP, as far as pulling votes away from the GOP is Pat Buchanan. His views on immigration and his isolationist stance military could make him popular with conservatives who are fed up with the border issue as well as libertarians who think we should stay out of the Middle East.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 8:18:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By michaelj1978:

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By t-stox:
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his hands full.



Her hands...I really think Hitlery has a damn good chance of winning. The nomination is hers if she wants it, and she wants it. Iraq will be a main issue, and her ppl. will spin it against the Repub. candidate, no matter who it is...




The gloves will come off if Hillary runs. All the crap that was covered up and swept under the rug during Bill's terms will come out.

What about the dozen or two people linked to the Clintons who have died mysterious deaths in the past 20 years.



That is all part of the vast 'right wing' coverup conspiracy.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 8:19:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By t-stox:
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his herhands full.



There fixed it for you

God help us
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 8:22:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Lots of folks are gonna go third party therfore enabling the Dems to take the White house.

As rabid and freaky as the Dems have become, they will cut a full out assault on our Nation and strip it of its sovereignty within 2 yrs of taking over. They will do so much irreversible damage we may never recover.

count on it.




The worst and most damaging thing the GOP has done in the last few years was the whole Terri Schiavo disaster. That hurt their public image with the moderate voters worse than anything Soros or Michael Moore could dream up. It is going to haunt them down here in Florida and nationally.

I know a few people that voted for Kerry but absolutly despise Hillary. I think many of the old democrats and the ultra liberals may sit out or go third party instead of voting for her. On the other hand the Republicans have completely squandered the opportunity they have had to set this country on a decent track by just compromising and giving us more servings of the same shit sandwich. I will vote republican just to make my vote count against Hillary but I'm not happy with any of them. I will probably never vote for a democrat but I'm not thrilled about voting for some of these republicans either.

Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:03:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:
The Dems aren't stepping up into the vacuum of power left behind by Bush's incompetency with anything new. Which is kind of a surprise. I bet the end result is that we get a new GOP candidate that scares all the WOT pot-bangers so bad they wet themselves electing a dictator and we flush the tattered remains of the Constitution down the toilet.





So much for the new improved Peak_idiot.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:07:57 AM EDT
The Democrats have to have actual ideas to win… they don’t.

The Democrats will not be able to resist the urge to call for tax increases.

If they call for tax increases they lose.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:09:16 AM EDT
The GOP has a good chance, I think
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:14:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Lots of folks are gonna go third party therfore enabling the Dems to take the White house.

As rabid and freaky as the Dems have become, they will cut a full out assault on our Nation and strip it of its sovereignty within 2 yrs of taking over. They will do so much irreversible damage we may never recover.

count on it.




The worst and most damaging thing the GOP has done in the last few years was the whole Terri Schiavo disaster. That hurt their public image with the moderate voters worse than anything Soros or Michael Moore could dream up. It is going to haunt them down here in Florida and nationally.

I know a few people that voted for Kerry but absolutly despise Hillary. I think many of the old democrats and the ultra liberals may sit out or go third party instead of voting for her. On the other hand the Republicans have completely squandered the opportunity they have had to set this country on a decent track by just compromising and giving us more servings of the same shit sandwich. I will vote republican just to make my vote count against Hillary but I'm not happy with any of them. I will probably never vote for a democrat but I'm not thrilled about voting for some of these republicans either.




+1
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:21:59 AM EDT
they're going to get their asses handed to them.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:29:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
The worst and most damaging thing the GOP has done in the last few years was the whole Terri Schiavo disaster. That hurt their public image with the moderate voters worse than anything Soros or Michael Moore could dream up. It is going to haunt them down here in Florida and nationally.



Nonsense. It was a blip on the radar that's already forgotten by 99.9% of people. It will have exactly NO effect on the 2008 election.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:39:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 9:40:41 AM EDT by MTUSA]

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Lots of folks are gonna go third party therfore enabling the Dems to take the White house.

As rabid and freaky as the Dems have become, they will cut a full out assault on our Nation and strip it of its sovereignty within 2 yrs of taking over. They will do so much irreversible damage we may never recover.

count on it.




Spot on WB. The 08' Leftist POTUS or POS will immediately
start to climb in bed with the UN & EU so the US taxpayer will subsidize the planet's every need.
The UN will command the US forces. Its going to be great. China will want to cash in their IOU too.
Maybe we should elect Gina Davis. She will have plenty of Presidential experience by 08'
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:43:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
The worst and most damaging thing the GOP has done in the last few years was the whole Terri Schiavo disaster. That hurt their public image with the moderate voters worse than anything Soros or Michael Moore could dream up. It is going to haunt them down here in Florida and nationally.



Nonsense. It was a blip on the radar that's already forgotten by 99.9% of people. It will have exactly NO effect on the 2008 election.



I will concede that but using that same logic 99.9% of the people won't remember the vile policies and actions that occured under the Clinton's the first go round either and that is troubling.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 9:50:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
The worst and most damaging thing the GOP has done in the last few years was the whole Terri Schiavo disaster. That hurt their public image with the moderate voters worse than anything Soros or Michael Moore could dream up. It is going to haunt them down here in Florida and nationally.



Nonsense. It was a blip on the radar that's already forgotten by 99.9% of people. It will have exactly NO effect on the 2008 election.



I will concede that but using that same logic 99.9% of the people won't remember the vile policies and actions that occured under the Clinton's the first go round either and that is troubling.



Uh... they don't remember actions that occurred under the Clinton's the first go round… NOW.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:02:23 AM EDT
Question is will the GOP nominate a woman in 2008 to run against Hillary?
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:17:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Peak_Oil:
The Dems aren't stepping up into the vacuum of power left behind by Bush's incompetency with anything new. Which is kind of a surprise. I bet the end result is that we get a new GOP candidate that scares all the WOT pot-bangers so bad they wet themselves electing a dictator and we flush the tattered remains of the Constitution down the toilet.



The sky is falling.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 10:22:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By buckfever34:
The GOP has a good chance, I think



+1

I am not worried...yet. The dems continue to prove that they are kooks. Fly-over does not like to vote for kooks.

Way, way, way to early.....ask me again 2yrs from now.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:49:28 AM EDT
The Dems keep thinking they can beat something with nothing. They want more troops in Iraq and less troops in Iraq. They want lower gas prices but no environmental damage and they want to keep jobs in the US auto industry. They want better levees but none of them can pass their environmental muster. Etc. There is a reason people have turned to the GOP. Complaining isn't a solution.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 11:53:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 11:53:22 AM EDT by No-Worries]


Will it really matter? By then, we'll be totally fooked with no more cash on the credit card for cash advances at this rate.


I want a radical fiscal conservative in the next round IF it isn't too late. My kids and yours will be facing a 90% taxrate if this keeps up, and that'll just be enough to pay off the interest on the national debt.

F(*)^)%&*%^)*ck !
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:25:24 PM EDT
I think the GOP has pretty much shot themselves in the foot for 2008.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:43:21 PM EDT
I think that Hillary has a good chance in 2008. Reasons:

1. Media is squarely behind her. Loads of free press and other benefits, and most will run a lopsided amount of positive stories about her.

2. New TV show depicting a woman president. Even if it runs 10 shows to a season the people who watch and believe TV will be acclimated to the idea of a woman president.

3. Her image is becoming more moderate and somewhat religious. The American people have a very short attention span and her current and future votes in the senate and sound bites will show her as a moderate.

4. Various appeals to different groups: normal family unit of husband/wife/child who "worked" through tough times (adultry) while in the public view. Woman who has her own "career", and others.

5. The republican party has been showing themselves as basically worthless. Even though there is a republican majority in the house and senate, plus a republican president there has been very little done. Look at the border problem, preparedness problem (the debacle of katrina has shown everyone that there is basically no plan for natural disasters or terrorism), gas/diesel/home heating fuel prices skyrocketing, govt spending and socialism problems as bad or worse then the democrats, Iraq problem stalling, and a load of others.

6. The Big One- If Hillary runs in 2008 it will really be her and Bill running. Many will think that it is a third term for Bill Clinton basically. Look how vocal he has gotten in the last few months gaining notice.

Other then that, even though I have always voted Republican, I doubt I will in 2006 or 2008. The republican parties ideals left a conservative/constitutionalist perspective a long time ago, and I do not feel that they are worthy of my vote.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 1:57:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/21/2005 1:58:09 PM EDT by ZitiForBreakfast]
I just hope that the Democrats to not nominate one of their number one men....

Sen. McCain.

If so, we are screwed either way.

Hang them up, game over. Kiss everything goodbye.
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 2:04:53 PM EDT
Don't worry, the republican's two biggest RKBA supporters appear to be leading the pack. You know, Sen. John McCain and Rudy Giuliani. They will save the day
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 2:09:31 PM EDT
Why is that nobody ever worries about the midterm elections?
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:23:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
Don't worry, the republican's two biggest RKBA supporters appear to be leading the pack. You know, Sen. John McCain and Rudy Giuliani. They will save the day



You and I think the same about this....
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:30:29 PM EDT
Mitt Romney
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:42:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By t-stox:
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his hands full.



Her hands...I really think Hitlery has a damn good chance of winning. The nomination is hers if she wants it, and she wants it. Iraq will be a main issue, and her ppl. will spin it against the Repub. candidate, no matter who it is...



That will never happen. She simply can't win enough states to put her over. She wouldn't win a single state in the south, the Plains, most of the midwest and the mountains of the west.

The only place she could have any success is in the northeast in the liberal pits and California.

Hillary would win fewer states than Kerry did.



The economy is really lagging behind the rest of the country in Michigan and Ohio. I have a feeling that Hitlery would win Michigan, and have a very good chance at Ohio. Keep in mind she would win Illinois, Kali, NY, and New England. God forbid she made inroads in Florida, Hiltary could become Klinton44...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:42:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By michaelj1978:

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By t-stox:
the mid-term elections in 2006 will be an indicator, but whoever gets the presidency in 2009 will have his hands full.



Her hands...I really think Hitlery has a damn good chance of winning. The nomination is hers if she wants it, and she wants it. Iraq will be a main issue, and her ppl. will spin it against the Repub. candidate, no matter who it is...




The gloves will come off if Hillary runs. All the crap that was covered up and swept under the rug during Bill's terms will come out.

What about the dozen or two people linked to the Clintons who have died mysterious deaths in the past 20 years.



All of that info was available in '96...it didn't matter at all...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:48:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
I just hope that the Democrats to not nominate one of their number one men....

Sen. McCain.

If so, we are screwed either way.

Hang them up, game over. Kiss everything goodbye.



But at least boxing would be reformed...
Link Posted: 9/21/2005 3:52:58 PM EDT
It's the beginning of the end for the GOP. The pendulum stopped prematurely and is starting to go the other way.
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