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Posted: 12/14/2013 8:35:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/14/2013 9:25:29 PM EDT by Tannim]
A discussion on welfare:

































  • Retard: I think the Founders would also have been horrified by the idea of a standing army, correctly seeing it as useful only in wars of conquest.
    And Andrews, I've no doubt an X-ray would reveal your heart to be the size of a shriveled raisin, a victim of the libertarian virus and its abhuman atomic individualism. I trust you do not consider yourself a Christian. Or a Jew, or a Muslim, or just about any other color of faith, all of which share what C.S. Lewis called the Dao: the universal call to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and so forth.






















  • Me:, the Dao requires the INDIVIDUAL CHRISTIAN to that. Not for him to steal money from others using the IRS. Our government has no obligation to feed anyone because IT HAS NO MONEY. It takes the funds it needs from its citizens.



































  • Retard:  Another "professor" heard from: that's what George Fox called people who professed to be Christian, but were just run of the mill idolaters of money, position, or power, Mammon or Moloch. I've heard that lame explanation too many times--used to believe it myself. The Light is burning all that crap away, thank God.
    By the way, the phrase "individual Christian" is a near-blasphemous oxymoron: we are all members one of another, leaves on the vine.




















    Me: The commitment to feed the poor is supposed to be some thing EACH christian does. If you're not personally donating to do it, you're not meeting it. Lazily hoping the secular government does it for you through welfare is a cop out. And it's forcing your moral on people who don't follow your belief system by forcing them at gunpoint to give the way you thing they should. Faith is PERSONAL. Individual actions that make a collective change when all Christians do it.



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Link Posted: 12/14/2013 8:36:09 PM EDT
Basically he believes because welfare existrs he doesn't have to personally meet the requirements of his faith.


Link Posted: 12/14/2013 8:42:21 PM EDT
CSB

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Link Posted: 12/14/2013 8:51:32 PM EDT
He is not alone.  Our 80% christian nation is a joke.  Most church leaders that I know buy into liberal ideas.
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Originally Posted By Tannim:


Basically he believes because welfare existrs he doesn't have to personally meet the requirements of his faith.


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Yeah, he's a scumfuck.

 
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 8:56:33 PM EDT
Wow, well said.

Link Posted: 12/14/2013 9:00:08 PM EDT
The Special Olympics poster message is true, funny, but in very poor taste.  It should be reconsidered.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 9:02:04 PM EDT
I'm sure your scumfuck thief friend feels just dandy about stealing from a non-Christian like me, and using my money for his faux-charity.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 9:07:13 PM EDT
What really strikes me about this is it seems to be a common liberal theme.  I read an article that libs tend not to donate to charity because "their taxes take care of it."





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He is not alone.  Our 80% christian nation is a joke.  Most church leaders that I know buy into liberal ideas.
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If our nation was really 80% christian none of the clowns up in DC would be where they are and we would not be having

 
any kind of debate on gay issues or 2A rights or prayer in schools, or abortion. just to name a few.

I would guess our nation is at most 10-15% christian. The rest just show up to the Sunday social club meeting.
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I'm sure your scumfuck thief friend feels just dandy about stealing from a non-Christian like me, and using my money for his faux-charity.
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I did point that out.  He ignored it.

 
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I did point that out.  He ignored it.  
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Originally Posted By shade_1313:

I'm sure your scumfuck thief friend feels just dandy about stealing from a non-Christian like me, and using my money for his faux-charity.
I did point that out.  He ignored it.  
That's fine, when society collapses, just point me in his direction and I'll tell him why he's wrong with a Daneaxe or a hammer.

 



















Yick.  The historical accuracy snob part of me hates myself for using that smiley, with the horns and shit.




Also, the above was a joke.  I expect him to die of his own accord when society collapses, and don't need to hunt him down and do anything at all.
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A challenger for the title of King Retard appears:
















2nd Retard:There are, in fact, pretty decent Libertarian arguments in favor of a Guaranteed Basic Income - that, if it's not quite at the point of economic feasibility yet, we're not too far off - from a world where decentralized manufacturing means that the majority of people in the country won't have any job skills...and may not need them. (The trick is making sure that rent-seekers don't siphon all of that additional productivity into financial derivatives, but that's going from a genteel bare knuckled discussion of political salesmanship to the Dismal Science.)































Who knew Libertarians and Communists had so much in common?



 
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CSB

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That applies to everyone on here...
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 9:35:03 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Tannim:


A challenger for the title of King Retard appears:


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2nd Retard:There are, in fact, pretty decent Libertarian arguments in favor of a Guaranteed Basic Income - that, if it's not quite at the point of economic feasibility yet, we're not too far off - from a world where decentralized manufacturing means that the majority of people in the country won't have any job skills...and may not need them. (The trick is making sure that rent-seekers don't siphon all of that additional productivity into financial derivatives, but that's going from a genteel bare knuckled discussion of political salesmanship to the Dismal Science.)










Who knew Libertarians and Communists had so much in common?
 
Okay, him I might find after the collapse.

 
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 9:35:22 PM EDT
Christian pastors that I know, and respect, are not liberal, far from it. Helping others used to be the role of the church, and those with a mind-set toward helping others. Now helping those in a lower income bracket  is more/less forced upon us by political agendas, leaving less for those of us who work, to take care of our own. It takes the joy out of it, its impersonal, and there is no individual decision, many of us now have less ability to help those we would. We would individually help those who truly have need, have plans to take care of themselves if they can, and don't frivolously spend what we sacrificed so we could give to them.

There are big differences between the Christian denominations in this nation if you have not noticed, and some of us are now having a tough time reconciling our beliefs with the state of this nation.
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Originally Posted By elokoman:


Christian pastors that I know, and respect, are not liberal, far from it. Helping others used to be the role of the church, and those with a mind-set toward helping others. Now helping those in a lower income bracket  is more/less forced upon us by political agendas, leaving less for those of us who work, to take care of our own. It takes the joy out of it, its impersonal, and there is no individual decision, many of us now have less ability to help those we would. We would individually help those who truly have need, have plans to take care of themselves if they can, and don't frivolously spend what we sacrificed so we could give to them.



There are big differences between the Christian denominations in this nation if you have not noticed, and some of us are now having a tough time reconciling our beliefs with the state of this nation.
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I believe it's a matter of choosing your own cause to support.  This year I've given time and money to tornado relief in my state.  

 
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 9:37:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MarkHatfield:
The Special Olympics poster message is true, funny, but in very poor taste.  It should be reconsidered.
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Link Posted: 12/14/2013 9:41:02 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Dragracer:


He is not alone.  Our 80% christian nation is a joke.  Most church leaders that I know buy into liberal ideas.
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thats because they see the govt s God.



 
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 10:15:49 PM EDT
Once while discussing SSI with my father, I mentioned a particular relative.  I noted that I worked full time and he was retired, his income in retirement was more than mine,  He had in the bank, cash equal to 23 times my annual gross income, yet every payday the government took money from me to give to him.
Link Posted: 12/14/2013 10:37:40 PM EDT
I've run into similar arguments. Libertarian Christianity does exist, but not widespread.

Link Posted: 12/15/2013 4:45:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dragracer:
He is not alone.  Our 80% christian nation is a joke.  Most church leaders that I know buy into liberal ideas.
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don't confuse organized religion with Christianity. United churches or churches that answer to an outside hierarchy are usually liberal oriented. Go find yourself a non-denominational Bible preaching church and you will find some pretty conservative folks
Link Posted: 12/15/2013 5:13:25 AM EDT
Wasn't there a very similar use of a very poor taste photo yesterday?

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The Special Olympics poster message is true, funny, but in very poor taste.  It should be reconsidered.


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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
And that's the point.



His comments are not "Christian", they are Liberal talking points.  They are not Biblical.



Your title should have been, "Full Retard Liberal".



Unless, of course, you have a bias and an agenda.



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Originally Posted By Tannim:

What really strikes me about this is it seems to be a common liberal theme.  I read an article that libs tend not to donate to charity because "their taxes take care of it."









And that's the point.



His comments are not "Christian", they are Liberal talking points.  They are not Biblical.



Your title should have been, "Full Retard Liberal".



Unless, of course, you have a bias and an agenda.



He identified himself as a Christian.   He's a full retard Christian.

 
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He identified himself as a Christian.   He's a full retard Christian.  
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Tannim:
What really strikes me about this is it seems to be a common liberal theme.  I read an article that libs tend not to donate to charity because "their taxes take care of it."




And that's the point.

His comments are not "Christian", they are Liberal talking points.  They are not Biblical.

Your title should have been, "Full Retard Liberal".

Unless, of course, you have a bias and an agenda.

He identified himself as a Christian.   He's a full retard Christian.  


IF he would have identified himself as an atheist would this thread exist ?
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Originally Posted By Tannim:
He identified himself as a Christian.   He's a full retard Christian.  
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Tannim:
What really strikes me about this is it seems to be a common liberal theme.  I read an article that libs tend not to donate to charity because "their taxes take care of it."




And that's the point.

His comments are not "Christian", they are Liberal talking points.  They are not Biblical.

Your title should have been, "Full Retard Liberal".

Unless, of course, you have a bias and an agenda.

He identified himself as a Christian.   He's a full retard Christian.  



He may be a Christian - we certainly agree on the 'full retard' part - but his views are a caricature of Christianity.

Those of us with some basic grasp of biblical thought on how (or if, and by whom) to deal with the poor, do not share his views.

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Religion tends to have more ties to Socialism/communism rather than personal freedom and free thinking.

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IF he would have identified himself as an atheist would this thread exist ?
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Originally Posted By Tannim:


Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Originally Posted By Tannim:

What really strikes me about this is it seems to be a common liberal theme.  I read an article that libs tend not to donate to charity because "their taxes take care of it."









And that's the point.



His comments are not "Christian", they are Liberal talking points.  They are not Biblical.



Your title should have been, "Full Retard Liberal".



Unless, of course, you have a bias and an agenda.



He identified himself as a Christian.   He's a full retard Christian.  




IF he would have identified himself as an atheist would this thread exist ?
Yup. He didn't though.



 
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
He may be a Christian - we certainly agree on the 'full retard' part - but his views are a caricature of Christianity.



Those of us with some basic grasp of biblical thought on how (or if, and by whom) to deal with the poor, do not share his views.



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Originally Posted By Tannim:


Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Originally Posted By Tannim:

What really strikes me about this is it seems to be a common liberal theme.  I read an article that libs tend not to donate to charity because "their taxes take care of it."









And that's the point.



His comments are not "Christian", they are Liberal talking points.  They are not Biblical.



Your title should have been, "Full Retard Liberal".



Unless, of course, you have a bias and an agenda.



He identified himself as a Christian.   He's a full retard Christian.  






He may be a Christian - we certainly agree on the 'full retard' part - but his views are a caricature of Christianity.



Those of us with some basic grasp of biblical thought on how (or if, and by whom) to deal with the poor, do not share his views.



Which is why I keyed on his post.  My response takes him to task for allow government to meet his self-declared duty.  Lazy belief there.



 
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Religion tends to have more ties to Socialism/communism rather than personal freedom and free thinking.

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Liberals,democrats,grad students are more likely to be atheist

Not all atheist are commust but all communist are atheist
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Originally Posted By Tannim:
Yup. He didn't though.
 
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Originally Posted By walttx:
Originally Posted By Tannim:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Tannim:
What really strikes me about this is it seems to be a common liberal theme.  I read an article that libs tend not to donate to charity because "their taxes take care of it."




And that's the point.

His comments are not "Christian", they are Liberal talking points.  They are not Biblical.

Your title should have been, "Full Retard Liberal".

Unless, of course, you have a bias and an agenda.

He identified himself as a Christian.   He's a full retard Christian.  


IF he would have identified himself as an atheist would this thread exist ?
Yup. He didn't though.
 


Just checking
yes he definitely is a retard
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He is not alone.  Our 80% christian nation is a joke.  Most church leaders that I know buy into liberal ideas.
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Well you need to change the church from the inside.

 
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