Posted: 12/20/2008 9:09:55 PM EDT
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Explain to me how this works, I've never heard of it before. My cousin is apparently being discharged from the Navy under this type of discharge, because they found he had high blood pressure.
I think it's a crock of shit because to me it seems high blood pressure would be something they caught during screening at MEPS, and he already got held back for his weight before he was finally sent off. My uncle's been saying that my cousin was too big when he went in that stress from basic caused this high blood pressure to surface. Said cousin comes from a family that puts the utmost effort into covering up the truth about their dirty laundry, so I'm thinking this is a cover up. Especially since I heard from my mom that my aunt said what really happened was that he got into a fight in basic and he was being sent home over that. I asked an Ex-Navy (honorable discharge) friend of mine, and he said that that wouldn't happen unless he fought an instructor or beat another recruit within an inch of his life. Detective skills are hard at work here. The truth remains to be learned. He'll be home this coming Tuesday. Either way, I still seek enlightenment on this Fraudulent Discharge. Does it amount to the same as a Dishonorable Discharge, or is it a class all of its own? What are the details? |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently.
And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. |
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It was never an issue that came up. Like I said, for all the times he was being weight tested at MEPS, I would think they would have caught it when they took his blood pressure. They may have full well known and given him a waiver for it, and maybe, just maybe, he just couldn't hack it and is being discharged for Convenience of Government. He coulda been a bed wetter. 
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. Are you sure it wasn't a general discharge under honorable conditions? Did they give you an Honorable Discharge certificate? I may be wrong, but I thought you needed to be in something like 180 days or more? (were you in recruit training more than 180 days maybe?) |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. Are you sure it wasn't a general discharge under honorable conditions? Did they give you an Honorable Discharge certificate? I may be wrong, but I thought you needed to be in something like 180 days or more? (were you in recruit training more than 180 days maybe?) I'll have to look at my paperwork again, but I remember it being a General under honorable conditions initially, but I thought I recall seeing somewhere recently where it's just listed as Honorable. I'll have to double check. As far as the OP: I don't know anything about Fraudulent Discharge and I can't find any good info on it. |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. Are you sure it wasn't a general discharge under honorable conditions? Did they give you an Honorable Discharge certificate? I may be wrong, but I thought you needed to be in something like 180 days or more? (were you in recruit training more than 180 days maybe?) I'll have to look at my paperwork again, but I remember it being a General under honorable conditions initially, but I thought I recall seeing somewhere recently where it's just listed as Honorable. I'll have to double check. My understanding is that it's basically the same thing, just a matter of time in that decides whether it's Honorable or General. |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. Are you sure it wasn't a general discharge under honorable conditions? Did they give you an Honorable Discharge certificate? I may be wrong, but I thought you needed to be in something like 180 days or more? (were you in recruit training more than 180 days maybe?) I'll have to look at my paperwork again, but I remember it being a General under honorable conditions initially, but I thought I recall seeing somewhere recently where it's just listed as Honorable. I'll have to double check. As far as the OP: I don't know anything about Fraudulent Discharge and I can't find any good info on it. General under honorable conditions I believe can be upgraded to honorable over time....something like 5-10 years. Never had to worry about it...I got an honorable discharge 
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I don't know.........so I'll ask............ Will he be considered a VET? And, will he be entitled to get Veteran's benefits? Aloha, Mark No, not enough time in. And I think you have to complete basic training and be assigned to a unit before any VA benefits are even considered. |
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I don't know.........so I'll ask............ Will he be considered a VET? And, will he be entitled to get Veteran's benefits? Aloha, Mark I think that has to do with the time thing too..... Funny thing....I used to work with a guy who everybody (including me) thought was a vet (USMC like myself) because he talked about when he was in the suck...even talked about being in Beruit...Then after I left they got a new chief, who wanted everybody to re-submit their paperwork....Well, turns out he was washed out of boot camp. Apparently his paperwork didn't jive with his application......Bye bye. It frosts my ass. Why do guys do that ?? |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. We had a troop in basic,who was councelled for,"homosexual" issues,and didn't report it on his enlistment,however,he was allowed to stay in. Troop had some serious issues(had a helluva time on the 25 mile march),but I have to admit,I never heard him bitch and moan about it all,unlike ALOT of his fellow troops. He did one thing bad though,wouldn't take off his mask in the gas shack,we all were in there for a helluva lot longer than supposed to be. |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It's pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge to begin with. When I was at MCRD Sandiego, we had SEVEN guys go UA (AWOL) one night, and they said "Fuck the Corps!" and got general discharges. He could have been deemed unfit for duty, or higher ups decided he didn't play well with others, I think it's called failure to adapt. Or he could be making stuff up. |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? Cant say....I was a grunt...not a pogue But in that case theres probably a lot of options: good of the service..Maybe even a BCD |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It seems like from what I'm reading it might have to do as to the conditions he was discharged under. That information should be contained in the rest of his discharge paperwork––I know mine is at least. If it's not, he should be able to get it from the Navy. Typically, when getting discharged from basic he should see a General Discharge with something like "Under Honorable Conditions", "Other Than Honorable" etc. And that I believe will be on his DD214. If it's not there yet, the discharge will change in a couple of months. Things have changed since I enlisted, and one thing the military loves is changing paperwork procedures. If he received a dishonorable or an other than honorable it sounds like he might have good grounds to appeal that. Just as a heads up, that will most likely not be easy, though. I've been fighting with the Navy for 8 years to change my RE Code. Best of luck to him. |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It's pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge to begin with. When I was at MCRD Sandiego, we had SEVEN guys go UA (AWOL) one night, and they said "Fuck the Corps!" and got general discharges. He could have been deemed unfit for duty, or higher ups decided he didn't play well with others, I think it's called failure to adapt. Or he could be making stuff up. Semper Fi there Gun nut...I figgered you for Army...The icon looked like an Army patch.... I was at MCRD in 1985..ITS in 86.....L co 3/9 for the rest of the time......OOh-Rah !! |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It seems like from what I'm reading it might have to do as to the conditions he was discharged under. That information should be contained in the rest of his discharge paperwork––I know mine is at least. If it's not, he should be able to get it from the Navy. Typically, when getting discharged from basic he should see a General Discharge with something like "Under Honorable Conditions", "Other Than Honorable" etc. If he received a dishonorable or an other than honorable and he has a case for getting that discharge overturned he may be able to appeal it. That might not be easy, though. I've been fighting with the Navy for 8 years to change my RE Code. Best of luck to him. They still use RE codes??? On the DD214? |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It seems like from what I'm reading it might have to do as to the conditions he was discharged under. That information should be contained in the rest of his discharge paperwork––I know mine is at least. If it's not, he should be able to get it from the Navy. Typically, when getting discharged from basic he should see a General Discharge with something like "Under Honorable Conditions", "Other Than Honorable" etc. If he received a dishonorable or an other than honorable and he has a case for getting that discharge overturned he may be able to appeal it. That might not be easy, though. I've been fighting with the Navy for 8 years to change my RE Code. Best of luck to him. They still use RE codes??? On the DD214? They did at least 8 years ago 
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It seems like from what I'm reading it might have to do as to the conditions he was discharged under. That information should be contained in the rest of his discharge paperwork––I know mine is at least. If it's not, he should be able to get it from the Navy. Typically, when getting discharged from basic he should see a General Discharge with something like "Under Honorable Conditions", "Other Than Honorable" etc. If he received a dishonorable or an other than honorable it sounds like he might have good grounds to appeal that. Just as a heads up, that will most likely not be easy, though. I've been fighting with the Navy for 8 years to change my RE Code. Best of luck to him. Why would you care about your RE code ?? Isnt that a reinlistment thing ?? You still in & lookin to stay ??? I think I was a RE1A |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It seems like from what I'm reading it might have to do as to the conditions he was discharged under. That information should be contained in the rest of his discharge paperwork––I know mine is at least. If it's not, he should be able to get it from the Navy. Typically, when getting discharged from basic he should see a General Discharge with something like "Under Honorable Conditions", "Other Than Honorable" etc. If he received a dishonorable or an other than honorable it sounds like he might have good grounds to appeal that. Just as a heads up, that will most likely not be easy, though. I've been fighting with the Navy for 8 years to change my RE Code. Best of luck to him. Why would you care about your RE code ?? Isnt that a reinlistment thing ?? You still in & lookin to stay ??? I think I was a RE1A I'd like to serve again and I believe I am more qualified now than I was when I was 18 and stupid. |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It seems like from what I'm reading it might have to do as to the conditions he was discharged under. That information should be contained in the rest of his discharge paperwork––I know mine is at least. If it's not, he should be able to get it from the Navy. Typically, when getting discharged from basic he should see a General Discharge with something like "Under Honorable Conditions", "Other Than Honorable" etc. If he received a dishonorable or an other than honorable it sounds like he might have good grounds to appeal that. Just as a heads up, that will most likely not be easy, though. I've been fighting with the Navy for 8 years to change my RE Code. Best of luck to him. Why would you care about your RE code ?? Isnt that a reinlistment thing ?? You still in & lookin to stay ??? I think I was a RE1A I'd like to serve again and I believe I am more qualified now than I was when I was 18 and stupid. I hear ya man.....I'd like to get into the fight again myself.....Problem is, I'm wiser, but older..... |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It's pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge to begin with. When I was at MCRD Sandiego, we had SEVEN guys go UA (AWOL) one night, and they said "Fuck the Corps!" and got general discharges. He could have been deemed unfit for duty, or higher ups decided he didn't play well with others, I think it's called failure to adapt. Or he could be making stuff up. Semper Fi there Gun nut...I figgered you for Army...The icon looked like an Army patch.... I was at MCRD in 1985..ITS in 86.....L co 3/9 for the rest of the time......OOh-Rah !! I actually got out of the Army a year ago today. 3rd stryker brigade Second Infantry Division.
I got a medical discharge from the Corps in boot camp in '99. 
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It's pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge to begin with. When I was at MCRD Sandiego, we had SEVEN guys go UA (AWOL) one night, and they said "Fuck the Corps!" and got general discharges. He could have been deemed unfit for duty, or higher ups decided he didn't play well with others, I think it's called failure to adapt. Or he could be making stuff up. Semper Fi there Gun nut...I figgered you for Army...The icon looked like an Army patch.... I was at MCRD in 1985..ITS in 86.....L co 3/9 for the rest of the time......OOh-Rah !! I actually got out of the Army a year ago today. 3rd stryker brigade Second Infantry Division.
I got a medical discharge from the Corps in boot camp in '99.
(there wasn't a war going on anyway..... )You got a medical & the Army took ya ?? Damn.....You know theres a dude who was in my unit who went in the the Army at 39 or 40... I suppose it depends on your qualifications I bet theyd love to have me....I'm a Firefighter/paramedic now....Problem is if I were goin to play in the big sandbox I dont know that Id want to go as a Medic......Im still pretty fond of destruction & shooting things. |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It's pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge to begin with. When I was at MCRD Sandiego, we had SEVEN guys go UA (AWOL) one night, and they said "Fuck the Corps!" and got general discharges. He could have been deemed unfit for duty, or higher ups decided he didn't play well with others, I think it's called failure to adapt. Or he could be making stuff up. Semper Fi there Gun nut...I figgered you for Army...The icon looked like an Army patch.... I was at MCRD in 1985..ITS in 86.....L co 3/9 for the rest of the time......OOh-Rah !! I actually got out of the Army a year ago today. 3rd stryker brigade Second Infantry Division.
I got a medical discharge from the Corps in boot camp in '99.
(there wasn't a war going on anyway..... )You got a medical & the Army took ya ?? Damn.....You know theres a dude who was in my unit who went in the the Army at 39 or 40... I suppose it depends on your qualifications I bet theyd love to have me....I'm a Firefighter/paramedic now....Problem is if I were goin to play in the big sandbox I dont know that Id want to go as a Medic......Im still pretty fond of destruction & shooting things. We made sure our Combat Medic "got some". 
Hell, most of the time we never really thought of him as a pougue because of the stuff he was doing with us. But back at the rear we reminded him all the time. 
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Ok Anekrel you can tell me to pound sand if ya like but I gotta know....How old are ya ?? I'm 41 & still itchin to go back...... 27 Ahhh....your still within range at 41 I'm way too old for the Corps...theyd never have me & I doubt I could pass the PFT... |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It's pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge to begin with. When I was at MCRD Sandiego, we had SEVEN guys go UA (AWOL) one night, and they said "Fuck the Corps!" and got general discharges. He could have been deemed unfit for duty, or higher ups decided he didn't play well with others, I think it's called failure to adapt. Or he could be making stuff up. Semper Fi there Gun nut...I figgered you for Army...The icon looked like an Army patch.... I was at MCRD in 1985..ITS in 86.....L co 3/9 for the rest of the time......OOh-Rah !! I actually got out of the Army a year ago today. 3rd stryker brigade Second Infantry Division.
I got a medical discharge from the Corps in boot camp in '99.
(there wasn't a war going on anyway..... )You got a medical & the Army took ya ?? Damn.....You know theres a dude who was in my unit who went in the the Army at 39 or 40... I suppose it depends on your qualifications I bet theyd love to have me....I'm a Firefighter/paramedic now....Problem is if I were goin to play in the big sandbox I dont know that Id want to go as a Medic......Im still pretty fond of destruction & shooting things. We made sure our Combat Medic "got some".  Sweet....... |
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Quoted: My discharge is "Uncharacterized discharge". They said due to me being in less than 6 months they couldn't do honorable or general.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. Are you sure it wasn't a general discharge under honorable conditions? Did they give you an Honorable Discharge certificate? I may be wrong, but I thought you needed to be in something like 180 days or more? (were you in recruit training more than 180 days maybe?) I'll have to look at my paperwork again, but I remember it being a General under honorable conditions initially, but I thought I recall seeing somewhere recently where it's just listed as Honorable. I'll have to double check. As far as the OP: I don't know anything about Fraudulent Discharge and I can't find any good info on it. General under honorable conditions I believe can be upgraded to honorable over time....something like 5-10 years. Never had to worry about it...I got an honorable discharge |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. Are you sure it wasn't a general discharge under honorable conditions? Did they give you an Honorable Discharge certificate? I may be wrong, but I thought you needed to be in something like 180 days or more? (were you in recruit training more than 180 days maybe?) you guys are starting to worry me now. What is the "honorable discharge certificate"? All I got was a DD214, and line 28 (Narrative Reason For Separation) said "MISCELLANEIOUS/GENERAL REASONS" because I was let out early as my AFSC was way overmanned. line 24 (Character of Service) says "Honorable" So did I get a "general discharge under honorable conditions"? Is this not as good as an "Honorable Discharge"? -GunNutJuell- , are you saying that a "general discharge under honorable conditions" is not an "Honorable Discharge"? |
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There are 3 types of administrative discharges: Honorable, General-Under Honorable Conditions, and Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. There are 2 kinds of punitive discharges, Bad Conduct and Dishororable, usually handed out by courts martial. There are many reasons for early discharge, both voluntary and involuntary. A fruadulent enlistment occurs with the troop knowingly withholds information that would have barred enlistment, even if the problem could have been waived if known. Generally, troops have to serve 180 days of continious active duty to receive any VA benefit, plus the characterization of the service (type of discharge and reason for discharge) can effect VA benefits. Reenlistment codes are important since they are public info and reviewed by HR personnel especially in jobs (both Gov't and civilian) that have high security requirements. The characteriztion of service, type of discharge, reason for discharge, and reenlistment code will be on copy 4 of the members DD Fm 214. I use to be a recruiter, master personnel specialist, and USAF 1st Sgt at different times in my 28 years of service.
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There are 3 types of administrative discharges: Honorable, General-Under Honorable Conditions, and Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. There are 2 kinds of punitive discharges, Bad Conduct and Dishororable, usually handed out by courts martial. There are many reasons for early discharge, both voluntary and involuntary. A fruadulent enlistment occurs with the troop knowingly withholds information that would have barred enlistment, even if the problem could have been waived if known. Generally, troops have to serve 180 days of continious active duty to receive any VA benefit, plus the characterization of the service (type of discharge and reason for discharge) can effect VA benefits. Reenlistment codes are important since they are public info and reviewed by HR personnel especially in jobs (both Gov't and civilian) that have high security requirements. The characteriztion of service, type of discharge, reason for discharge, and reenlistment code will be on copy 4 of the members DD Fm 214. I use to be a recruiter, master personnel specialist, and USAF 1st Sgt at different times in my 28 years of service. Edit for additional info: It's a myth that General Discharges convert to Honorable discharges after some time. The member has to apply for correction to military records and go through a rigoreous review process that is seldom approved to get their discharge upgraded. Excellent explanation! |
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So we're in agreement that it wouldn't be dishonorable, right? What about the fight scenario I mentioned? Are you saying that if he's kicked out of basic it wouldn't be honorable or dishonorable either way? It's pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge to begin with. When I was at MCRD Sandiego, we had SEVEN guys go UA (AWOL) one night, and they said "Fuck the Corps!" and got general discharges. He could have been deemed unfit for duty, or higher ups decided he didn't play well with others, I think it's called failure to adapt. Or he could be making stuff up. IIRC the way the USMC/Navy does it with the 180 days thing is something like this; 180 or more, you get discharged under one condition or another. Less than 180 it qualifies as a seperation, not a discharge. This includes things like fraudulant enlistment, erronious enlistment, etc. I got an Entry Level Seperation with 5 months TIS, due to an injury. They classified it as erronious enlistment because they said MEPS shouldn't have signed off the waiver on my knee or something to that regard. I get no VA benefits, but I get mail from them every month. I am not on record with the Corps, AFAIK. It sounds like what OP is talking about is Fradulant Enlistment... so basically he lied about something, and it came up later. |
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Ok Anekrel you can tell me to pound sand if ya like but I gotta know....How old are ya ?? I'm 41 & still itchin to go back...... 27 Ahhh....your still within range at 41 I'm way too old for the Corps...theyd never have me & I doubt I could pass the PFT... IIRC the cutoff is still 29 for USMC. |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. 
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable.
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable.
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable.
I wasn't Section 8-ed if that's what you're thinking.  okay. What branch?
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Edit for additional info: It's a myth that General Discharges convert to Honorable discharges after some time. The member has to apply for correction to military records and go through a rigoreous review process that is seldom approved to get their discharge upgraded. I don't know how it happened, but my brother got a general discharge under honorable conditions(got a certificate for it saying exactly that), then last year did indeed get an actual honorable certificate. As far as the OP's question, a good friend of mine was discharged from the Air Force that way, went to MEPS and they asked about heart problems, he said no. At training, he started having knee problems. They did another full physical/checkup, turns out he has a heart condition(don't remember the exact issue) as well as being in his early 30s and having the knees of a 65 year old. He was discharged as an "errant enlistment". As far as the dishonorable question goes, if the friend had truly received a dishonorable he would know about it. |
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you guys are starting to worry me now. What is the "honorable discharge certificate"? All I got was a DD214, and line 28 (Narrative Reason For Separation) said "MISCELLANEIOUS/GENERAL REASONS" because I was let out early as my AFSC was way overmanned. line 24 (Character of Service) says "Honorable" So did I get a "general discharge under honorable conditions"? Is this not as good as an "Honorable Discharge"? -GunNutJuell- , are you saying that a "general discharge under honorable conditions" is not an "Honorable Discharge"? No, there is no special certificate for getting an honorable discharge. the only thing anyone gets is a DD214. If your DD214 said "HONORABLE" under character of service, then that's what you got. The narrative reason for separation is just a generic explanation for why you were discharged, that's all. But no, a General Discharge is not the same as an Honorable Discharge. |
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable. You probably got a General under Honorable Conditions. For all intents and purposes these days, it's the same as an Honorable. (You have to be in for a certain amount of time to qualify for an "Honorable Discharge". Especially since if getting a medical release from Basic doesn't qualify for VA benefits, unless you sustained a major injury in Boot Camp. Releases during Boot Camp are almost all administrative and not punitive, Generals of some category or another. The only "bad" paper are BCD and DD. Bad Conduct Discharge and Dishonorable Discharge. 99+% of the time these are the result of a Court-Martial for criminal activity. A "Fraudulent Enlistment" is when you and/or your Recruiter purposefully cover up a potentially disqualifying factor and it is discovered. Hang around here long enough and you will find a lot of guys encouraging this practice. It's easy for them to say, don't bring it up or don't tell. They aren't going to get in trouble. Most of the time, it's a medical issue. |
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The only "correction" I would throw out there is that BCDs and DDs only come from a criminal conviction at a Courts-martial. Highly unlikely in this case. Probably received an uncharacterized entry level discharge. Of course it is really no one's busniness but his. Some people are not suited to this life. At least he gave it a try. |
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A "Fraudulent Enlistment" is when you and/or your Recruiter purposefully cover up a potentially disqualifying factor and it is discovered. Hang around here long enough and you will find a lot of guys encouraging this practice. It's easy for them to say, don't bring it up or don't tell. They aren't going to get in trouble. Most of the time, it's a medical issue. Exactly. They often crop up after a few years of service when the member gains more responsibility and/or transfers to a position in which he or she requires a higher level security clearance and is investigated. At one point a few years back, my younger brother was considering enlisting. So, I went with him one day to the recruiting station, identified myself as a Marine Officer to the recruiter and just sat by while my brother and he spoke. Bro had a minor possesion charge from a few years before that, and the recruiter actually suggested frauding him in front of me.
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You could mean fraudulent enlistment, if he went in with a pre-existing condition that he lied about to get in, and they found out later on, he could be discharged because he enlisted fraudulently. And people discharged from basic trainings of all services are usually given a general discharge, which can cover anything from head cases, to physical issues. You don't get an Honorable or Dishonorable discharge from basic if ya get kicked out. I was discharged from basic and got an Honorable.
I wasn't Section 8-ed if that's what you're thinking. okay. What branch?Army, Infantry, Ft Benning. Back on the line now
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