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Posted: 9/10/2004 5:46:08 AM EDT
The Prowler Another Link Same Story |
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This would SINK the Bush Administration if they had done something similar.
Kerry will get a Free Pass |
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Oh please... I will die to be able to slap this in the faces of the office Kerry horde!
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Well I'll say it... this was supposedly dumped into the DNC's lap... who dumped it into 60 minute's lap... what IF Rove did plan this? I don't think he did, but if he did... how positively brilliant and Machiavellian!
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It's my favorite story of the year.
The press will dig and dig and dig. Meanwhile, no one is paying attention to Kerry. His numbers droop. Then the story will break that IT CAME FROM HIS CAMPAIGN. Then he'll get some attention. This is just awesome. |
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It is pretty obvious who was in charge of releaseing these documents to CBS. It happened immediately after Kerry's campaign staff shake up.
This has the Clinton's fingerprints all over it. The only real question is did they release the documents to hurt Bush or Kerry!!! |
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Great point! I always figured that the Dems were going to go into the tank this year, ANYONE should have known that Kerry was a weak candidate, but he got a free pass to the nomination. Clinton does enough to look like a "good solider" but not enough to help Kerry, who was always going to lose. |
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If Kerry's campaign gave forged documents to CBS (and considering that Ben Barnes who did the 60 Minutes story works for the Kerry campaign, I'd say that is a good chance), Kerry is going to be hurting.
First, even if CBS wants to downplay the issue, market competition will mean that ABC, NBC, CNN and FOX have lots of incentive to give it prime time coverage (ABC covered it this morning on their radio newsfeed in fact). Second, Kerry will have just burned a major supporter of his campaign in a public and humiliating fashion. Combine that with his recent drop in the polls (He is going to lose anyway, we might as well get the scoop) and the huge amount of well-documented research (low-hanging fruit for reporters, most of the work is already done) done by the Swift Vets and CBS will have a lot of incentive to go after Kerry. Once one of the major press organizations starts after Kerry, it will be a pack of jackals in to see who can get the most meat off the corpse. At a minimum, press reporters are going to be a LOT more skeptical of anything Kerry tells them and that generally does not help the public image - particularly when the candidate is already well known for responding poorly to criticism. |
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Yes, and FDR knew it was coming, but still allowed Pearl Harbor to be struck in order to get us into WWII. It was all a part of his master plan to really pull us out of the depression by getting factories going full tilt... What a genius! |
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If they are forgeries and therefore spout complete lies I am sure you will here some blurbs about it. The media will just stop talking about it since they surely will not correct their mistakes (CBS 60 Minutes II) and will move on to the next hot thing.
Where the documents came from is still a question. The Clinton aspect is being played up by some talkers and I believe its something to consider. I believe that the Kerry campaign expected CBS to do their dirtywork and when CBS moved without a serious examination they were left out in the open. This shows me that: 1. Like I didn't already know it the "mainstream" media is pretty much supporting Kerry. If Kerry's campaign looks to the mainstream media as their investigation group and felt they were liked well enough to dump this on them than this point seems clear. There was some level of trust here that was violated. 2. If the documents were forged (and obviously poorly) to hurt Bush they didn't take into consideration Bush's supporters or any objective observer examining the documents. This equals stupidity which leads to... 3. This was designed specifically to hurt the Kerry campaign and those who supported these documents. For them to run blind into this shows that they either had too much trust in the document providers or are stupid. 4. This also show the beginnings of desparation. Kerry could not counter the Swift Boat Vets with open and honest answers so he tried what he thought would get some of the heat off of him; look at Bush. This whole campaign seems focused around Vietnam. The Dems went after Bush's record in February of this year, the argument was shot down, and now its back. Kerry came to the DNC in Boston as a Vietnam war hero and pretty much ran on that. It shows me that he has no real platform or answers to questions since his answer to everyhting has been "I served in Vietnam." |
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Its a conspiracy to get Kerry to lose, so that Hillary can run in 2008.
Just kidding. |
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This is absolutely pathetic! Kerry and his people are about as low as you can get. I guess I would have expected as much from the Clinton gang. Watch, with CBS trying to cover their butts, there'll be infighting between the Kerry camp with the Networks. I hope Rowe didn't have anything to do with it, cause it will totally destroy the character of the Democrats with independent voters. |
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Kerry was looking for dirt....and he found he was knee deep in mud. If it was a set up to nail Kerry what different is it from his wife funding all the anti Bush groups. He gets mad at the Swift vets, well they have no direct link to Bush, hell I support Bush, and the Swift Vets....does that mean that Bush made me do it?
Politics is dirty... the whole thing is Kerry's intent to beat the VN thing to death and trash Bush....if you can't deal with it, go crying home to Boston! |
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So is this an attempt at reverse spin by the Kerry camp? They would have to prove somewhere that the document originated with Rove. Of course that might be hard to do if the Clintons introduced them into the campaign HQ. If Hillary or Bill got them from a Rove associate, they couldn't admit it without linking themselves to the sabotage. They could claim they thought the documents were authentic and only wanted to help the Kerry campaign, but the mere fact that Hillary would have had to pass on them would have soured it for Kerry. That would drive a wedge even farther into his staffers. Damn. That's pretty good planning. I'm glad I'm not in politics. |
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Wonder if this will give the Swiftboat ads a little more credability? You know, political camps pay a lot of money for people who's sole job it is to do damage control - so exactly how do you get out of this one?
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What a load of rubbish. If Bush got a hangnail they would talk about it for days like he had cancer. Kerry is desperate, and this is the start of damage control. These papers are going to blow up like one of Kerry's grenades. |
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Excellent post. |
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Indeed.
The best part of this story, is the fact that it's already a HUGE story. ....and the fact that these documents came from the Kerry camp HASN'T EVEN BROKEN, YET. |
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Yeah, the big networks would take hurting their competition over political views any day of the week. |
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Wow... yet more official documents appear: :D
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/4141c588z8c716a05/88dc/__sr_/614e.jpg?phrrcQBBUUMzeecE |
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This needs to be put in every thread related to these documents |
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More good news, ABC Nightline is doing a story in the forgeries in tonight's broadcast and the Washington Post is running a brutal piece as well that is headlining MSNBC news right now.
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5955784/ So, we have two major media organizations already giving this top page coverage. There is about to be a genuine media feeding frenzy on this issue I think... O, one more thing... the daughter of Ben Barnes (60 Minutes chief accuser) is going on the record saying that her father is lying about Bush in order to sell a book deal he has made and advance his political career (appointment in a Kerry administration). |
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Oh man... did he molest his girl to make her turn on him like that? Daughters just don't say that about daddy unless he is a real scumbag!
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He told her himself that he was doing it to promote his own book. ETA: an anti-Bush book, to be exact. |
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Email sent, hope and cannot wait to get a response. CBS News -------BAGGED! |
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You know, if Kerry was willing to forge these military documents, I wonder what the chances are that he forged those after action reports in Vietnam too?
GunLvr |
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I wonder if "V" in his "combat V" is in the Times New Roman font?
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I can't make up my mind if it was deliberate (by someone old enough to know what a typewriter is) or a really bad, but legitimate, attempt to forge a document critical of Bush (by someone too young to have any idea how an actual typerwriter works). In any case, it makes Kerry's team look stupid and desperate, and it makes it blatant how stupid, desperate, and partisan CBS news is. |
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