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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:13:59 PM EDT
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+1 id watch it then
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:14:43 PM EDT
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There is already a series like this.. its called autocross...
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:14:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:15:47 PM EDT
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Sounds good.
Anything could help make it more interesting. I'd like to see a loop installed on the track like my old hotwheels set. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:20:34 PM EDT
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I really do hate the fact that a monte carlo is FWD with only around 300hp. (215hp V6 when I had mine in 98). Nascar used to be about the drive them sunday, sell them monday. Not anymore.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:20:44 PM EDT
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Chevy would just put the C6 Z06 on the track and your Charger might as well stay in the pits.
 Hell, you could run stock C5s and beat the Charger. 
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:25:25 PM EDT
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1. Random landmines
2. No oval tracks 3. No fan safety precautions 4. Drivers have small arms 5. 1/2 of cars race in opposite direction Then I'd watch. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:28:22 PM EDT
[#8]
figure
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:32:15 PM EDT
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Notice they haven't called it stock car racing in decades.
The big problem now is they want it to be about celebrity (the driver) rather than the car (as it was in the 60s and 70s). I've argued with friends for years that they should have to run what's available (with allowable mods) and with complete sheetmetal from the factory (a body in white, as it is called). The Charger in it's true form would be as aerodynamic as a brick - it's funny to look at the 1/4 scale grille on the NASCAR, one body fits all, decal package. No, it's an entertainment series for folks with little knowledge of the cars, but witha voyeuristic love of celebrity. As far as factory goes, even though it's a little bland, the new GTO might do pretty well. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:33:54 PM EDT
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Simple, Every car must be bone stock, and must be a production car representing (down to the option packages) at least 1% of that companies sales (not production sales).
The only exception being a tube-cage of a fixed weight being welded inside the car. If your car requires extra support... oh well more weight. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:34:55 PM EDT
[#11]
When I read #4 I thought for a second "how would drivers with smaller arms make nascar more interesting???" 
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:37:29 PM EDT
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Stock chassis and body. Stock block, head castings and drivetrain externals. Anything else goes.
That would be stock car racing. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:39:17 PM EDT
[#13]
Dodge would then bring out the Viper. and Ford would have SVT whip up a hot rod mustang. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:39:27 PM EDT
[#14]
THAT would be interesting!
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:42:12 PM EDT
[#15]
They'd still lose. The Viper couldnt even beat the C6 vette at Nurburgring or Lemans.  Nothing beat them at LeMans. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:43:36 PM EDT
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Uhhh wouldn't Ford whip out the GT? |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:44:16 PM EDT
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im on board with this.
open it up to all engine and drive types, if the fusion is a front drive 6-banger then so must the race car be. no more mid season rule changes to even the playing field. if someon is dominating then the other teams have to improve or continue to lose. open it up to all makes. if hyndai wants to field a team...fine. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:44:31 PM EDT
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Make them get their race cars off the Showroom floors. Then it will be stockcar racing again.
Until then it's just a Corporate Dog & Pony show that looks more like a 3.5 hour commercial. Oh, and if you sponsor the car, the car has to use your product or service during the race. If you've got Pepsi written on the side, the driver has to drink Pepsi, same for Budweiser. Driver deosn't have to down 6-pack, but he at least has to take a sip. If you got "Caterpillar" written the side, you better have some Caterpillar parts somewhere in that car. If GEICO is written on the side then the Team's auto insurance has to be with Geico, and they have to ensure the race car too. "Hold on bubba, I think he's turnin' left!" |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:45:21 PM EDT
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They havent sold enough GTs to homologate them. Sorry, cant play and I'd still bet on the Z06. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:45:44 PM EDT
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I'd hate to see what would go on in the viagra car... |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:46:38 PM EDT
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Well my guess would Ford would have a hard time meeting the production numbers needed for homogenization with GT. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:48:12 PM EDT
[#22]
Oh sorry I didn't read Rule 126.78(a): cars must be homologated |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:55:06 PM EDT
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See, we start off talking NASCAR and here come the sports car guys talkin' GT, Viper, C6 - you guys already have a series for that stuff.
 500 units must be produced for homologation - moot point nowadays, but it did provide for the Charger Daytona, Plymouth Superbird, Ford Talladega, Charger 500, as well as Ford getting the Boss 429 legal (which was funny, since it came in the Mustang, not a NASCAR body - it's also been said that Ford never produced the minimum number either). The good old days. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:56:53 PM EDT
[#24]
No but it will be pasteurized like a mofo 
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Posted: 2/19/2006 8:59:37 PM EDT
[#25]
The Ford GT is hardly a "production" car. Try and find one in a showroom. We are talking stock cars here, stuff you race on Sunday, buy on Monday.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:05:42 PM EDT
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Guess what.? I've seen one GT in a showroom (Landmark Ford) I've seen 0 Corvettes or Vipers. Probably because I haven't been in a Chevy or Dodge dealership in a while. Oh and by the way. NASCAR is fine the way it is. NASCAR is NASCAR. I think all shooting matches should be restricted to .22 LR only. Only guns available at Walmart should be used. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:07:35 PM EDT
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I did get a chuckle today watching the race with a z06 pace car. That stock corvette could outrun the race cars behind it. It's faster, lighter, and corners better.
As for taking cars off show room floors- cant do it for safety reasons. By the nature of the sport the cars crash far too often. Having an airbag go off is not good for competition (though perhaps entertaining) Not to mention the broken glass and lackluster restraint systems. No, teams should build their own cars to the dimensions and weight of the real car. The factory of the car maker shoud provide the engine in a crate that is installed directly into the car (of course, Chad Knaus would still find a way to fuck with it) An added benefit of these new rules is reduced cost to compete in the sport. Right now it costs anywhere from $8-14 MILLION dollars per season to field a team, and more toward $14M to be competetive. By reducing the ammount that teams are allowed to fuck with the car, it should drastically reduce the cost to compete. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:09:03 PM EDT
[#28]
Fine, keep this series as it is. call it "superstock" or something, but i think there really needs to be a REAL stock car racing series again. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:12:35 PM EDT
[#29]
Yep and 500 miles at 87mph would be a real hoot for everyone. Reducing the cost? How about going to your local track and seeing what they run. It doesn't cost them $14M. No they can't run with NASCAR. Thats why there are different racing series.  |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:13:40 PM EDT
[#30]
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My point exactly |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:20:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:20:28 PM EDT
[#32]
I agree with running stock body styles, you can't tell the difference between the maufacturers the way they are now. I think they should get rid of restrictor plates. Get rid of Jimmy Johnson. Quit running/building the same old 1.5 mile boring damn tracks. Run at Daytona, Talladega, Bristol, Martinsville, and the other short tracks, and the only two 1.5mile tracks worth watching, Charolette, and Atlanta. The rest suck. They had a test last summer at Talladega, where Rusty Wallace ran unrestricted, he ran 228mph, and thought he could hit 235 in qualifying trim. I saw them at Talladega when they were still unrestricted, it is a huge difference, way cooler. On the boring tracks like Cali, Texas, Pheonix, Homestead, the should allow more cars on the track, at least you could see more than one car at a time on the TV screen.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:21:53 PM EDT
[#33]
what i was saying is to keep the current version of NASCAR as is, but to start a NEW series for REAL stock car racing.
And the speeds would be far greater than 87mph MY computer governed 02 Monte with 215hp V6 will do 135. Without computer control and the weight of showroom cars, I'd be willing to bet that a stock car as defined by my rules could race close to 150 or even 170. Speed doesnt need to be the primary draw. The best races right now are on short tracks like Bristol where the speed doesnt get over 130 anyway. The same would hold true for a new series |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:28:58 PM EDT
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I want some of the rules gone. Its become too pussified. I cought the end of the race, where I heard someone was blackflagged for "aggressive driving." WTF?
 The next sound I heard was Dale Earnhardt Sr. rolling in his grave. Get them closer to the cars that sell, or stop calling it a stock car. They haven't been vaguely "stock" since about 1988. Either stop selling pussified cars, or stop acting like they are something you can get in the showroom. Its "Car Racing," not celebrity standoffs. The rules for the cars are fine for the most part, but too damned strict. Leave some room for "fiddling" with settings. No 2ft spoilers or 6 inches out of spec for the body template, but enough for competition. Its nascar, not IROC. I haven't watched NASCAR with enthusiasm since it became the Nextel Cup. When Sr. died and they changed everything to take the danger/competition out of it and make it more PC, its not what it used to be, and what it used to be is what many of the old guard of NASCAR fans (who can be anywhere from age 15 to age 80) want to see. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:03:05 PM EDT
[#35]
Airbags... good idea... forget about bump drafting. OTOH, airbags blowing up in drivers faces would probably make for some good crashes.
How about real working headlights instead of those decals so a driver can flash his brights politely informing the driver in front of him that he intends to pass. Aw what the hell, let Dale Jarrett race the big brown UPS truck.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:05:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Nascar has gone down hillthe last few years,the race today was boring as hell.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:10:26 PM EDT
[#37]
Try again. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:15:17 PM EDT
[#38]
Body and suspension attachment from the factory. put what ever engine that that make carries. suspension takes over. power does not equall handling
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:21:41 PM EDT
[#39]
Couldn't we just kill Jeff Gordon in every race?
I would be willing to chip in a ten-spot toward the costs of creating a Jeff Gordon clone army. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:22:54 PM EDT
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I couldn't agree more. Screw races that are won purely with cubic dollars - I want to watch a series that is run with near-stock cars, built and driven by people who hold down real jobs on the weekdays. Turn these people and their cars into NASCAR-like celebrities, and maybe I'll start watching auto racing again. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:40:42 PM EDT
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My local Ford dealer had two of them go through their place in about six weeks time while I was waiting on my truck to deliver. Also, my truck was more rare at the time it seemed. (6speed Super Duty...the nearest was in Oklahoma). |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:44:42 PM EDT
[#42]
Exactly, too many stupid rules to keep up with now. NASCAR might as well change its name to IROC-NASCAR because every dang car is practically identical except for the decals. If Ford goes faster in the wind tunnel, Chevy bitches and moans to have its spoiler changed. And restrictor plate racing just looks like a boring traffic jam turning left. Remember back when Hoosier tires were allowed?...why you never heard such a bunch of crybabies squallin' their Goodyear tires couldn't compete. And these "new driver" antics on the sidelines are turning NASCAR into nothing but another WWF show....if you got a problem, settle it on the race track. Leave the helmet throwin's and barroom brawls to Jerry Springer and the NBA. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:50:58 PM EDT
[#43]
Well I got news for you... these people racing wouldn't get much of a following. Forget about TV coverage. You would have to drive to the track to watch it live and then you'd be sitting in mostly empty grandstands. But on the upside tickets would be cheap, like $2 a seat. For that much you could take the whole family! Look, we have minor league baseball around here, and it's actually fun to watch and the players are pretty talented. But it has a very small fan base, seats are cheap, and everybody knows it's not the "BIG SHOW" they have in the majors. The NEXTEL CUP is the BIG SHOW. Your "real" stock car series would be about as successful as the defunct US Football League. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 12:25:28 AM EDT
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Everyone is required to be answering trivia questions by a hand held cell phone while they drive. Correct answers are awarded by a seconds (time) deducted from your race time. Also four times per race you need to pull into a "store" and pick up laundry, a food item, or a child. Drivers are instructed of which store and what to get by cell phone. They are told only once what to get and if they get it wrong (say they pick up 2% milk instead of skim milk) then time is added.
Now of course after you pick up the kid you will need strap him into a child seat yourself and go back into the store to find a hidden toy (only told to you after the kid is secured into the race car). The road rage truck driven by a pms enhanced soccer mom has a paint ball gun armed driver whose only goal is to shoot your car. Hits of course add time. The Maryland Blocking Cars are three cars all driving abreast each other going around the track at 40 miles per hour. Feel free to add.... |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 12:31:13 AM EDT
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Go get the rules from either the AUSCAR V8 Saloon car series or the German DTM.
Send in the bulldozers and take fifteen degrees out of the banking of both Daytona and Talledega Problem solved. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 12:35:01 AM EDT
[#46]
I thought the same thing. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 12:43:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2006 12:47:53 AM EDT
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In the German and Austrailian series that is what you have. Each car has to begin life as a serial-numbered unit body off the production line. Same as WRC cars and Group A 2 liter saloon cars. There has been more politics in the German series. The rules were originally written for 4 liter V8 RWD cars only. It was intended for the M5 and AMG Eclass Only BMW and Mercades had such cars. It looked like it was going to be another BMW/Mercades love fest. Then BMW shocked everyone by announcing they would not race. So they accepted Audi and Opel, even though neither sold a RWD V8 car. Opel didn't even have a V8 engine. So they bent the rules to let them in. The result was that Opel put the Oldsmobile Aurora V8 in the Callebra (thats Cadallac Catera for Americans) and Audi REALLY tweeked the rules by putting the hyper narrow VR8 15deg V8 from parent company Volkswagen into the little TT coupe! And AMG retaliated on behalf of Mercades by shoehorning a V8 into the little CLK coupe. |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 12:56:37 AM EDT
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But you can buy a CLK 500. Its not an AMG, but it is a V8 production car. (And i am sure that you could get a 5.5L AMG motor in it, even if it isn't by MB themselves. Its how people put 6.0L AMG 4-OHC Hammer motors in old 560 SEC's with AMG body kits.) |
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Posted: 2/20/2006 1:00:31 AM EDT
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