[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fish/Bird antibiotics? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/11/2022 9:53:56 PM EDT
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Talked to a surgeon friend of mine a few years back. He said the stuff made/sold for animals isn't held to the same production standards as the rx stuff for humans. I need to bump up my Chewy order to get free shipping and am thinking or adding a bottle to the order. Anyone else store or tried using fish/bird antibiotics when sick with something familiar? Did it work? Thanks |
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Quoted: I get sinus infections yearly just due to the pollen here. Stopped going to the dr for antibiotics about 7 years ago and started using fishmox for them and work everytime. Have used it for strep throat as well. Where do you order from and how much are they? Thanks |
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Quoted: Soon? Seems something's in the works I don't know about. Thanks Quoted: Quoted: It will all require Rx soon. No more OTC animal antibiotics. Soon? Seems something's in the works I don't know about. Thanks https://www.avma.org/blog/medically-important-antibiotics-move-otc-rx?fbclid=IwAR0w2y6hkjCUSiVhawIrwf8mCFZzxepmsXHl6cnwsX9JRIXb1LFC_mYBLiU “By June 2023, all medically important antibiotics will require veterinary oversight to be used in animals, even if the animals are not intended for food production.” |
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Quoted: https://www.avma.org/blog/medically-important-antibiotics-move-otc-rx?fbclid=IwAR0w2y6hkjCUSiVhawIrwf8mCFZzxepmsXHl6cnwsX9JRIXb1LFC_mYBLiU “By June 2023, all medically important antibiotics will require veterinary oversight to be used in animals, even if the animals are not intended for food production.” Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It will all require Rx soon. No more OTC animal antibiotics. Soon? Seems something's in the works I don't know about. Thanks https://www.avma.org/blog/medically-important-antibiotics-move-otc-rx?fbclid=IwAR0w2y6hkjCUSiVhawIrwf8mCFZzxepmsXHl6cnwsX9JRIXb1LFC_mYBLiU “By June 2023, all medically important antibiotics will require veterinary oversight to be used in animals, even if the animals are not intended for food production.” While I wasn't educated and alert to the shenanigans of politics until the early 2000's, I can't say I've seen such an insatiable thirst for control as under this administration. 
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Quoted: chewy.com was where I got Fish Mox last time. (6 months ago) It's not -them- selling it it's third parties. Like amazon, wal-mart, newegg, etc. do. It was the real deal but they come and go so links are sorta useless. Just placed an order with chewy for a bunch of them to the tune of $300-ish. I figure they'll keep just fine for 20-30 years if stored properly and could be real life savers if the need ever arises. Worst case, my kid throws them out long after I'm dead. Peace of mind is rarely cheap these days. One less thing. |
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There is also this service to get human antibiotics as an emergency/ kit with a prescription: https://jasemedical.com/ It does work as advertised, the remote doctor's overview is, uh, cursory. Pills came quickly via mail from a real pharmacy. Full courses of 6 common antibiotics. Price is not that bad compared to buying individually from other places. Bad side is no choice in what you get, and only one pack per person per year. I have gone the fish route before and been confident in them, but this was certainly easier than tracking down a new source this time. |
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Quoted: Talked to a surgeon friend of mine a few years back. He said the stuff made/sold for animals isn't held to the same production standards as the rx stuff for humans. I need to bump up my Chewy order to get free shipping and am thinking or adding a bottle to the order. Anyone else store or tried using fish/bird antibiotics when sick with something familiar? Did it work? Thanks BULLSHIT! The pills are the EXACT same pills with the same markings as prescription pills for humans. Same bottle, same manufacturer, but different label. |
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Stocked up quite a bit when it was easily available. Still go to the doctor for prescription, and save what I have for SHTF. FWIW, Thomas Labs makes pretty much the exact same scripts for humans as found in its “fish formulas”. A few of my bottles that were easily accessible… Attached File One of the Amoxicillin pills from the fish pharmacy, if you can tell the difference from a prescription… Attached File |
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Fish antibiotics distributed by reputable companies like Thomas Labs, Goldman, Kraft and others are generally human grade. Fish don't have the body mass of dogs or horses. Antibiotics administered to fish must be pure, and high quality. It is easy to look up and see if the color and codes imprinted on each capsule match human grade. Every one I've ever checked matches exactly. That said, it is best to keep them for true emergencies where medical help isn't a viable option. I have quite a lot of Cipro, Clindamycin, Azithromycin, Doxycycline, Penicillin, etc. It's cheap enough that hopefully it will eventually get tossed and we won't ever need it. If you buy and store antibiotics, whether from an Rx or online, not a bad idea to educate yourself and print out uses, contraindications, dosage, warnings ,etc for each type of antibiotics and store in a binder just in case. If internet is down, you don't want to be fumbling about trying to figure out which is best for a particular infection. If it becomes harder to get them online after new FDA reg takes effect, there is always India, where everyone got their HCQ that Trump recommended. |
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I kind of have a hard time believing they aren't the same, because the identification numbers and code on the pills are the same. If they were different they would be marked different I think, as if there was a problem or someone got sick from them they'd want to be able to properly identify what someone took. I have heard they don't have the same quality control, that I guess is possible but I think they are probably the same item. Lots of people use them without problems. |
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Quoted: Fish antibiotics distributed by reputable companies like Thomas Labs, Goldman, Kraft and others are generally human grade. Fish don't have the body mass of dogs or horses. Antibiotics administered to fish must be pure, and high quality. It is easy to look up and see if the color and codes imprinted on each capsule match human grade. Every one I've ever checked matches exactly. That said, it is best to keep them for true emergencies where medical help isn't a viable option. I have quite a lot of Cipro, Clindamycin, Azithromycin, Doxycycline, Penicillin, etc. It's cheap enough that hopefully it will eventually get tossed and we won't ever need it. If you buy and store antibiotics, whether from an Rx or online, not a bad idea to educate yourself and print out uses, contraindications, dosage, warnings ,etc for each type of antibiotics and store in a binder just in case. If internet is down, you don't want to be fumbling about trying to figure out which is best for a particular infection. If it becomes harder to get them online after new FDA reg takes effect, there is always India, where everyone got their HCQ that Trump recommended.  
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The medical professionals that I know well enough to ask all stated they are the same. It stinks that they are going to start requiring a prescription (if true). I guess someone did not think they were getting a cut of the money. Also not disbelieving the people posting prescription information, I just have not looked into it. No offense intended. |
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We have the same tastes in reading material. 
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Quoted: Just placed an order with chewy for a bunch of them to the tune of $300-ish. I figure they'll keep just fine for 20-30 years if stored properly and could be real life savers if the need ever arises. Worst case, my kid throws them out long after I'm dead. Peace of mind is rarely cheap these days. One less thing. Doxycycline and other drugs of the tetracycline class are hepatotoxic once they go bad. Just an fyi. |
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Quoted: Doxycycline and other drugs of the tetracycline class are hepatotoxic once they go bad. Just an fyi. Absolutely. Unlike most antibiotics, cycline's don't lose strength, they become toxic as they age. Once again, another reason that anyone looking to buy and store antibiotics REALLY need to educate themselves before embarking on this journey. Not trying to be scary. I encourage responsible people to investigate and prepare as they see fit. If you're not prepared to do the homework, probably better to abstain. If I think I need antibiotics, I go see my Dr., but I prepare for the day he isn't available. |
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Quoted: Doxycycline and other drugs of the tetracycline class are hepatotoxic once they go bad. Just an fyi. Quoted: Quoted: Just placed an order with chewy for a bunch of them to the tune of $300-ish. I figure they'll keep just fine for 20-30 years if stored properly and could be real life savers if the need ever arises. Worst case, my kid throws them out long after I'm dead. Peace of mind is rarely cheap these days. One less thing. Doxycycline and other drugs of the tetracycline class are hepatotoxic once they go bad. Just an fyi. Didn't know that, thanks! |
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Saw one of that guy's vids last night. Interesting stuff. |
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Quoted: Good info Utahshooting, one thing I would add is keep them refrigerated, it not only extends the life but also the potency. Is this the case for all of them? I have some augmentin still sealed in bottles from like 2014 and 2020....maybe I'll toss them in the fridge along with all the others I get. Thanks |
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My Fish Flex was the exact same capsules, with the same code stampings, as one of the fills I got at the human pharmacy the month before I bought the Fish Flex. I doubt it got contaminated or overheated between the factory and my porch, but technically the packaging and storage were not under FDA control, if FDA control actually means anything. And when my vet dispensed Cephalexin, it was a common human generic brand. For cheap stuff like generic antibiotics (which Meijer and Walmart hand out for free), there's no reason to produce veterinary drugs separately when there's millions of human grade capsules on the market at commodity pricing. |
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Cool. Ask your surgeon friend to forward photographs of the facility that make animal antibiotics. Don't hold your breath. Take a look at the animal antibiotic tabs or caps. They are identical to the people versions. Why do they look the same? Because they are the same and they came out of the same factory. |
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Quoted: Talked to a surgeon friend of mine a few years back. He said the stuff made/sold for animals isn't held to the same production standards as the rx stuff for humans. I need to bump up my Chewy order to get free shipping and am thinking or adding a bottle to the order. Anyone else store or tried using fish/bird antibiotics when sick with something familiar? Did it work? Thanks i will tell you for a fact that for some medications the pills are made on the same factory line and just end up in different packaging. think about it, no company is going to build a second factory to make less exact pills. they're going to make a single one and meet the highest standard. get your stuff ASAP its going to need prescriptions in a few months. check the survival forum theres a 20 page thread on it. |
| i work in a 'related' industry. the pills from a reputable supplier are the same as the human grade. but as mentioned before, know what you are treating and what antibiotics are safe for long term storage. the meds are tested for long term stability, and many keep a high potency well past the exp date. degradants are the main concern with long term storage. |
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Quoted: I have bought Fish Mox on eBay before and it helped me get over a sinus infection. How long does this stuff last when stored before it's not effective? Depends on the medication Pen VK and Amoxicillin is good for a very long time if stored cool and dry. All of them are a little different. I remember reading Pen has a really really long life. Something to the effect of at 40 years it has 90% strength. |
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If you are near a border town it is also easy to stroll across and purchase whatever antibiotics you want directly from a pharmacist. Then relax, have some lunch, and walk your purchases back across. Tens of thousands of senior citizens do it at Nuevo Progresso (and other spots) every year. Literally shopping bags full of prescription meds being carried across by the old folks on a daily basis. I have seen it firsthand. It’s also a good place to get dental work done. And edit to add that Doxycycline usually has a 5 year expiration date and will still be good for several years after that. Just be safe and throw that shit out after like 5 years and go buy new stuff. It’s not like it turns toxic that fast. |
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Quoted: If you are near a border town it is also easy to stroll across and purchase whatever antibiotics you want directly from a pharmacist. Then relax, have some lunch, and walk your purchases back across. Tens of thousands of senior citizens do it at Nuevo Progresso (and other spots) every year. Literally shopping bags full of prescription meds being carried across by the old folks on a daily basis. I have seen it firsthand. It’s also a good place to get dental work done. And edit to add that Doxycycline usually has a 5 year expiration date and will still be good for several years after that. Just be safe and throw that shit out after like 5 years and go buy new stuff. It’s not like it turns toxic that fast. If you don't live near the border, Mexican flea markets and grocery stores often sell them too. The stores usually don't have them out in plain view, but if you don't look or act like a cop they will sell you some. |