Fired an employee who flipped out. Popo called

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Posted: 8/18/2019 7:36:56 PM EDT

My maintenance manager has been having anger management issues. He yelled at his boss my plant manager, me and the company owner over the past few weeks.

On Thursday I told the Plant Manager to send him home without pay for the rest of the week and to come back Monday with a new attitude or not at all.

He totally flipped out so I had to escort him to his locker and then out of the building. He threatened physical violence on me so I called the police.

In front of them with the body cam on he told me he would see me on the street one day and hoped the place burnt down with all of us in it. The officers said that he wasn't specific enough to be called a threat. They told me to come up with a plan to deal an angry terminated employee.

So the owner wants me to get a biometric handgun safe and keep a gun in my office.

Any suggestions on a reliable safe?

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:38:53 PM EDT

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Why don't you just wear it on you?

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:39:09 PM EDT

[#2]

Can’t go with concealed means concealed?

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:39:29 PM EDT

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Here.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:40:47 PM EDT

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I'd get the safe to appease the owner, but also carry.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:41:16 PM EDT

[#5]

Gun in the office won't do anything if you're on the other side of the plant if bozo flips his lid and comes back to do bad things.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:41:20 PM EDT

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I'd say that's a prime candidate for a mass shooting. Call the FBI. If they don't do anything, raise hell and let everyone know just how worthless these red flag laws would be with lazy enforcement.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:42:00 PM EDT

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Call the Clintons and tell them this guy has dirt on them.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:42:03 PM EDT

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Did you get a big raise to be plant security too?

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:42:44 PM EDT

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just put a sally port on all the doors and a camera obviously and something in the parking lot.

if he comes back armed and determined to get even, it wont be the first time, or the last.

makes me glad i work out of my house.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:43:40 PM EDT

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LoL, SSS.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:45:21 PM EDT

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I generally won't send someone home without pay or fire them without some sort of severance if I have the option.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:45:34 PM EDT

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Bingo!

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:45:52 PM EDT

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I have heard good things about the Hornady safes

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:46:03 PM EDT

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Safe thread?

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:46:05 PM EDT

[#15]

You fucked up when you didn't pee on him.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:47:37 PM EDT

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Unless they had some kind of screening I would have never stopped carrying much less start now.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:47:46 PM EDT

[#17]

Screw biometrics. Get a simplex safe.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:48:02 PM EDT

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I'm assuming you trespassed him and are working on a restraining order for you and the company right?

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:48:52 PM EDT

[#19]

Get the safe and stash a firearm. But I'd carry too.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:49:56 PM EDT

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Make sure EVERY employee knows that if they see him anywhere around there they need to report it ASAP and have a plan to deal with it.
In today’s world people who feel wronged for whatever reason are taking it out on those who they think are responsible.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:52:07 PM EDT

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I would call someone higher up in the food chain at the local PD.

This is what red flag laws are going to turn into. Either too many to enforce, police not caring or picking on innocents.

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:56:53 PM EDT

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Yes

Posted: 8/18/2019 7:59:45 PM EDT

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I’d hire off duty cops with AR’s to stand just inside the front door come Monday.

No sense in fucking around.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:06:06 PM EDT

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Ask the owner if the insurance would cover you in the event of a shooting. Will he provide the legal assistance? There's a lot more to it than just carrying for yourself. If you're asked to provide safety for the job, it should come with coverages as well.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:10:38 PM EDT

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This is a solid post.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:10:49 PM EDT

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This. And maybe some others that can be trusted and taught. You can't be everywhere.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:15:34 PM EDT

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Tell the owner to deal with his own problems. If you have to cap the disgruntled employee the owner will hang you out to dry.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:17:23 PM EDT

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Have the owner issue a decree that certain named employees are invited to carry concealed while at work, with certain ones
committing to do it every day. Make those employees an informal security team.

That's a more sensible approach than a biometric gun safe. Anyone who's trusted to have access that safe can be trusted to carry a firearm at all times, right?

"Hey, before you torch the building, can you wait 30 seconds while I go get the company gun out of the safe first?"

No, that doesn't really work.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:18:21 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/18/2019 8:18:46 PM EDT

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Posted: 8/18/2019 8:19:11 PM EDT

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Yep, tuckable holster and one in the safe. Make sure your prints aren't the only ones that can get into the safe.

Oh and also the laws and/or police are totally freaking useless.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:20:37 PM EDT

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Get it in an email. Forward the response to your personal email account.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:21:50 PM EDT

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In front of them with the body cam on he told me he would see me on the street one day and hoped the place burnt down with all of us in it.

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Pretty sure that is the definition of a terroristic threat.

https://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terroristic-threat/

Terroristic Threat Law and Legal Definition

A terroristic threat is a crime generally involving a threat to commit violence communicated with the intent to terrorize another, to cause evacuation of a building, or to cause serious public inconvenience, in reckless disregard of the risk of causing such terror or inconvenience. It may mean an offense against property or involving danger to another person that may include but is not limited to recklessly endangering another person, harassment, stalking, ethnic intimidation, and criminal mischief.

I would have one in the safe but another on you at all times. Maybe even let your employees carry while at work too. Going to the range with your employees can be a good moral/team building exercise.

ETA I would contact your local DA and see what they say in re the threat. Sounds like the po po didn't want to do paperwork that day.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:22:35 PM EDT

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Tell the owner to deal with his own problems. If you have to cap the disgruntled employee the owner will hang you out to dry.

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I don’t think the disgruntled employee would come looking for just the owner. The owner was not the one directly threatened.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:25:42 PM EDT

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Your people are probably most vulnerable walking to and from their cars.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:27:26 PM EDT

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Lol, not specific enough? Is this Broward county and was the cop's name Scot Peterson? Jesus fucking Christ. According to the media and just about every politician, we should all go unarmed and rely entirely on the police for protection and that asshole's response was "Meh..."

I hope you take the appropriate steps to ensure your safety. Or atleast have a fighting chance.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:30:33 PM EDT

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Carry what you shoot best
AR15 in the safe.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:31:19 PM EDT

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So the owner left you with all the responsibility and wants you to be an armed bodyguard for him?

For $40k more a year right?

I bet you have to pay for the safe.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:32:41 PM EDT

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I love my Hornady safe, it's fantastic

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:34:16 PM EDT

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If my boss told me I should bring a gun to work to protect myself I would probably either look in the mirror and see that I was a police officer
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Posted: 8/18/2019 8:36:56 PM EDT

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Fuck that, I'd finally have reason to get a warbelt, plate carrier and a Pittbull XV.

Posted: 8/18/2019 8:37:28 PM EDT

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they are vulnerable there sure. but folks that go postal like to come in and a walk the corridors shooting folks who have no where to run. once you have an active shooter in a building the building works against the victims. at least in a parking lot you might have a chance to run.

as to employees carrying guns. thats all well and good. i wonder how many could actually shoot someone or at a minimum at least hit an armed intruder while under extreme stress.

my comments about the sally door were only partially in jest. and sally door, not security card access is what i meant specifically. if a guy has to pass through door a to get to door b and door a must close before door b opens and you have cameras, seems to me thats pretty good protection and might be better than arming a few folks and hoping the the shit hits the fan the good guys win in a firefight with some guy who most likely expecting to die via suicide or suicide by cop before its all over.