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Posted: 10/23/2010 12:42:13 PM EDT
My last two years in a row I got shortchanged on my firewood

1st year thought is was light, but not sure, never measured.

2nd year actually measured it and Yep was  shorted.
I was only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.

3rd year switched companies and same deal.
Again only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.


Waiting for them to call me back to get it straightened out


Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:45:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2010 12:48:14 PM EDT by --bullseye--]
They probably stacked it so loose you could see right through it. You get it delivered and stack it neat and tight and you end up being shorted.



Natural gas is pretty cheap these days. My parents used to use wood a lot to heat (and I grew up with that), but they recently got a high efficiency natural gas boiler and just have the wood boiler as a back up now. Makes life easier, and it doesn't cost much more than wood...
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:45:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2010 12:48:01 PM EDT by operatorerror]
I'm not trying to be a dick (it comes naturally to me) but are you sure you are measuring the same way as the vendors?





eta I haven't bought firewood in years so I went and looked up the definitions for cord and face cord.  If the sites are correct there are a lot of variables.

Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:47:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2010 12:48:03 PM EDT by AlphaTea]
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
I'm not trying to be a dick (it comes naturally to me) but are you sure you are measuring the same way as the vendors?


Kinda hard to mess up 4' high by 8' long no matter who is doing the measuring
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:49:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2010 12:51:52 PM EDT by operatorerror]





Originally Posted By AlphaTea:





Originally Posted By operatorerror:


I'm not trying to be a dick (it comes naturally to me) but are you sure you are measuring the same way as the vendors?






Kinda hard to mess up 4' high by 8' long no matter who is doing the measuring





Okay.  I always thought that it was 4'x4'x8' but see the link below.





http://www.woodheat.org/firewood/cord.htm





eta So I'm guessing it's either fraud or a definition disparity.





 
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:49:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AlphaTea:
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
I'm not trying to be a dick (it comes naturally to me) but are you sure you are measuring the same way as the vendors?


Kinda hard to mess up 4' high by 8' long


Bingo

Also that would be some pretty loose stacking
to even get 4x8 with only 3/4 face cord.
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:50:43 PM EDT
Buy it buy the cord. 4ft x 4ft x 8ft. You want it delivered that way and stacked tight it should equal 128 cubic feet.



I burn wood for heat but I don't pay for my firewood. I cut, split, and stack it all myself. So I get my heat for free other than my time.




Why not do it yourself?
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:50:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By operatorerror:

Originally Posted By AlphaTea:
Originally Posted By operatorerror:
I'm not trying to be a dick (it comes naturally to me) but are you sure you are measuring the same way as the vendors?


Kinda hard to mess up 4' high by 8' long no matter who is doing the measuring

Okay.  I always thought that it was 4'x4'x8' but see the link below.

http://www.woodheat.org/firewood/cord.htm
 


4'x8'x4' = Full cord

4'x8'x16" = Face cord
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:53:42 PM EDT
Face cords are a rip off.  I can stack very little wood and get it to appear what is a cord.  There was a local story here years ago and measured an actual cord.
Bought wood from one guy who was using a face cord, when it was stacked properly it was 1/10 of an acutal cord.
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 12:53:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BlackRifle76:
Buy it buy the cord. 4ft x 4ft x 8ft. You want it delivered that way and stacked tight it should equal 128 cubic feet.

I burn wood for heat but I don't pay for my firewood. I cut, split, and stack it all myself. So I get my heat for free other than my time.

Why not do it yourself?


a. No land to be able to cut on

b. Bad back (partially disabled while in Navy)
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 1:20:57 PM EDT
We have a Dept of weights and measures, that you can file a complaint with...
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 1:31:48 PM EDT
One of my neighbors makes good money selling green firewood and "hay" that's nothing but persimmon saplings and blackberry bushes to people that don't know any better.
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 1:37:35 PM EDT
4ft x 8ft x 16in = 1/3 cord.

A cord is a cord is a cord ... 128 cu ft no matter how you rick it.
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 1:39:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By foxherb53:
4ft x 8ft x 16in = 1/3 cord.

A cord is a cord is a cord ... 128 cu ft no matter how you rick it.




Seems like I must be one of the few who actually measure it around here.

Link Posted: 10/23/2010 1:52:58 PM EDT
how much do you guys pay for an honest cord?

here in southwest new mexico, i usually pay $180 to $200 for a cord of dried, split juniper.

there's lots of guys in the wood cutting biz. you see parked pick-up loads for sale everywhere.

best bet is to stick with one wood cutter, mine knows i use a pot belly stove and will cut to spec.
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 1:59:27 PM EDT
Reading FAIL!!!!!

OP said a FACE CORD, that means the measurement of the FACE of the stack 4'x8'  the width of the stack  DOES NOT MATTER.

Around here when you buy a face cord you can specify the length of the wood , usally from 12" - 30" and priced accordingly
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 2:16:57 PM EDT
Go cut your own!
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 2:30:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
Go cut your own!


Reading Fail, Go back and read the thread
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 3:23:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/23/2010 3:24:04 PM EDT by Freelance_Bum]
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
My last two years in a row I got shortchanged on my firewood

1st year thought is was light, but not sure, never measured.

2nd year actually measured it and Yep was  shorted.
I was only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.

3rd year switched companies and same deal.
Again only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.


Waiting for them to call me back to get it straightened out




OP, for what it's worth, the neighbor switched to coal.
He starts out with softer coal, when the temps start to drop.
Switches to hard coal when the temps are 30 and under.

His wife and daughters like it "warm". Last weekend he woke up to 80*.....

But the ACTUAL point is, he said it costs him about $18- a week to heat his house during the winter. With an electric hot water heater, its something to think about.
Link Posted: 10/23/2010 3:31:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By chaindrive:
how much do you guys pay for an honest cord?

here in southwest new mexico, i usually pay $180 to $200 for a cord of dried, split juniper.

there's lots of guys in the wood cutting biz. you see parked pick-up loads for sale everywhere.

best bet is to stick with one wood cutter, mine knows i use a pot belly stove and will cut to spec.
Apple wood is going for around 110-140 a cord around here...tamarack can go for 180-200..

Link Posted: 10/23/2010 3:46:19 PM EDT
I bought wood at one time figured it out at end of winter and didnt realy save any$ only way its realy a savings is if you cut it yourself
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:10:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Freelance_Bum:
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
My last two years in a row I got shortchanged on my firewood

1st year thought is was light, but not sure, never measured.

2nd year actually measured it and Yep was  shorted.
I was only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.

3rd year switched companies and same deal.
Again only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.


Waiting for them to call me back to get it straightened out




OP, for what it's worth, the neighbor switched to coal.
He starts out with softer coal, when the temps start to drop.
Switches to hard coal when the temps are 30 and under.

His wife and daughters like it "warm". Last weekend he woke up to 80*.....

But the ACTUAL point is, he said it costs him about $18- a week to heat his house during the winter. With an electric hot water heater, its something to think about.


My dad used to burn coal

If I had to heat exclusively with it I would get a coal stove, much easier than wood.



On the bright side they called back and they will be delivering the rest tonight

Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:15:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
Originally Posted By Freelance_Bum:
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
My last two years in a row I got shortchanged on my firewood

1st year thought is was light, but not sure, never measured.

2nd year actually measured it and Yep was  shorted.
I was only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.

3rd year switched companies and same deal.
Again only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.


Waiting for them to call me back to get it straightened out




OP, for what it's worth, the neighbor switched to coal.
He starts out with softer coal, when the temps start to drop.
Switches to hard coal when the temps are 30 and under.

His wife and daughters like it "warm". Last weekend he woke up to 80*.....

But the ACTUAL point is, he said it costs him about $18- a week to heat his house during the winter. With an electric hot water heater, its something to think about.


My dad used to burn coal

If I had to heat exclusively with it I would get a coal stove, much easier than wood.



On the bright side they called back and they will be delivering the rest tonight



Believe it or not, I was wondering how this one had turned out.  Glad they are making it right!
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:18:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AlphaTea:
Originally Posted By operatorerror:

I'm not trying to be a dick (it comes naturally to me) but are you sure you are measuring the same way as the vendors?


Kinda hard to mess up 4' high by 8' long no matter who is doing the measuring




It's the fucking tape measure's fault –––– they're all made in China now.

Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:18:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:21:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stegadeth:


Believe it or not, I was wondering how this one had turned out.  Glad they are making it right!



Thank you


My last wood Seller, was a real Jerk about it,

So I was happy this guy was cool about it

Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:22:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Waldo:
Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
We have a Dept of weights and measures, that you can file a complaint with...


Same here. It legally has to be sold by the proper cord or fraction thereof.


Here in CT it can only be sold by the cord. No face cords, no truck loads.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:24:33 AM EDT




Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:



Originally Posted By Freelance_Bum:



Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:

My last two years in a row I got shortchanged on my firewood



1st year thought is was light, but not sure, never measured.



2nd year actually measured it and Yep was shorted.

I was only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.



3rd year switched companies and same deal.

Again only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.





Waiting for them to call me back to get it straightened out









OP, for what it's worth, the neighbor switched to coal.

He starts out with softer coal, when the temps start to drop.

Switches to hard coal when the temps are 30 and under.



His wife and daughters like it "warm". Last weekend he woke up to 80*.....



But the ACTUAL point is, he said it costs him about $18- a week to heat his house during the winter. With an electric hot water heater, its something to think about.




My dad used to burn coal



If I had to heat exclusively with it I would get a coal stove, much easier than wood.
On the bright side they called back and they will be delivering the rest tonight





I've used both....coal stinks. Wood smoke is lots easier on the senses. Ever heard anyone talk about how delicious bread baked in a coal stove is?



I used to be a 'professional wood butcher' years ago in Montana. I think I used to get a hundred bucks a cord for lodgepole and $120 for red fir and larch, all in the round. A cord is 4x4x8 or 128 cubic feet, supposedly stacked to fill as many of the voids as possible.



Buckin' firewood for a living sure does keep a guy in shape....



Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:25:48 AM EDT
A full cord of wood has approximately 400 pieces and a face cord has 200.
Usually my firewood guy gives me about 420 pcs. and 220 pcs. respectively.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:29:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By chaindrive:
how much do you guys pay for an honest cord?

For seasoned oak and walnut hardwood, delivered and dumped in a pile, $125-175 depending on delivery distance.
This spring we picked up six cords (true cords) of seasoned and split hardwood for $500 off a CL ad, but we had to move it all ourselves and get it done within a week.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:42:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BlackRifle76:
Buy it buy the cord. 4ft x 4ft x 8ft. You want it delivered that way and stacked tight it should equal 128 cubic feet.

I burn wood for heat but I don't pay for my firewood. I cut, split, and stack it all myself. So I get my heat for free other than my time.

Why not do it yourself?






Free except for your time, stove cost, chainsaws, chains, fuel, junker truck and fuel and insurance for it.

I figure it would cost about $8k to start heating with wood, so I would be tied to it for at least 5 years to recuperate the up front costs not figuring time.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:48:17 AM EDT
width does matter...should be 16" to 18" (predominantly)...it's a pain when I get too many lomger than 20", can't fit well in the stove...
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 8:58:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/26/2010 8:59:16 AM EDT by KG5S]
I need to split some more wood , I have it cut but need another cord split just for the hell of it !

ETA: Take some pics and post what they are calling a cord !?!?
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:00:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By pcsutton:

I've used both....coal stinks. Wood smoke is lots easier on the senses. Ever heard anyone talk about how delicious bread baked in a coal stove is?

I used to be a 'professional wood butcher' years ago in Montana. I think I used to get a hundred bucks a cord for lodgepole and $120 for red fir and larch, all in the round. A cord is 4x4x8 or 128 cubic feet, supposedly stacked to fill as many of the voids as possible.

Buckin' firewood for a living sure does keep a guy in shape....



Yes but for us old farts it is easier because less trips carrying
wood though coal is heavier you can scoop it in a pail.

or like my dad did get your sons, and grand kids to carry it up
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:04:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By burbanite:
Originally Posted By Waldo:
Originally Posted By 161Infantry:
We have a Dept of weights and measures, that you can file a complaint with...


Same here. It legally has to be sold by the proper cord or fraction thereof.


Here in CT it can only be sold by the cord. No face cords, no truck loads.


They have a law on how you can sell firewood?


Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:13:22 AM EDT
Yep.  Happened to me on my first year.

Second year, I went to a friend's son (15).  Told him to stack 4 x 4 x 8 for a cord.  Gave him $150.00

I am happy the second year.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:19:16 AM EDT
Heh... you guys would laugh if you saw what people here try to pass off for a "cord" (it's usually about 1/4 cord or less)

My employer sells wood to employees for $20/truckload.  However, they stopped splitting it this year, which defeats the point for me.  I'll split my own wood at home, thanks.
Link Posted: 10/26/2010 9:47:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
Originally Posted By Freelance_Bum:
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
My last two years in a row I got shortchanged on my firewood

1st year thought is was light, but not sure, never measured.

2nd year actually measured it and Yep was  shorted.
I was only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.

3rd year switched companies and same deal.
Again only given 3/4 face cord for every face cord I was supposed to get.


Waiting for them to call me back to get it straightened out




OP, for what it's worth, the neighbor switched to coal.
He starts out with softer coal, when the temps start to drop.
Switches to hard coal when the temps are 30 and under.

His wife and daughters like it "warm". Last weekend he woke up to 80*.....

But the ACTUAL point is, he said it costs him about $18- a week to heat his house during the winter. With an electric hot water heater, its something to think about.


My dad used to burn coal

If I had to heat exclusively with it I would get a coal stove, much easier than wood.



On the bright side they called back and they will be delivering the rest tonight



Coal is less work and great heat.
If you can put up with the greasy dirt film in your home.
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