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Posted: 8/1/2005 4:00:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/3/2005 3:13:39 AM EDT by SouthHoof]
Heard on the local 6:00 news

Seems a 16yr old tried to car jack an auto belonging to a 36yr old on Fayette St in Saginaw MI. The 16yr old shot the 36 yr old in the stomach. The 36yr old wrestled the gun away from the assialant & shot him in the head. The 16yr old died a short time later at the hospital. 36yr old is recovering. Police are investigating further.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:01:31 PM EDT
Good outcomes for both of them
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:04:05 PM EDT
At least the right guy died. I will be sure to keep the other guys in my prayers.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:04:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?


Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:07:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





Yes. Too bad the driver got shot. The attempted car jacker got what he derserved.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:16:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?



Yeah that's freaking good. Or would it have been better if the kid had killed the driver and taken off with the car?

A guy gets shot while a crime is being committed against him, and still has the fortitude to defend himself. Don't get all "Will somebody please think of the children" on us.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:19:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kidthe guy who shot him in the stomach.

Thats good?





Please. Shove a weapon in my belly, try to strong arm my property, then shoot me in the stomach, you have forfeited the right to be called a kid anymore.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:22:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Flakchak:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?



Yeah that's freaking good. Or would it have been better if the kid had killed the driver and taken off with the car?

A guy gets shot while a crime is being committed against him, and still has the fortitude to defend himself. Don't get all "Will somebody please think of the children" on us.



+1
The kid got what was coming to him.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:25:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





The killing of the carjacker is good.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:26:34 PM EDT
One less scumbag in the world. Hope the driver pulls through okay.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:28:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
One less scumbag in the world. Hope the driver pulls through okay.



AMEN.....God bless the driver
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:33:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kidthe guy who shot him in the stomach.

Thats good?





Please. Shove a weapon in my belly, try to strong arm my property, then shoot me in the stomach, you have forfeited the right to be called a kid anymore live.



Edited to reflect my view on the subject..
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:38:13 PM EDT
dying ain't much of a livin', boy.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:39:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:39:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By R0ME0:

Originally Posted By roboman:
One less scumbag in the world. Hope the driver pulls through okay.



AMEN.....God bless the driver



+ 1,000,000

Tall Shadow
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:42:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





WTF is wrong with you?
The bad guy (kid or not) died and the VICTIM is going to survive.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 4:42:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Flakchak:

Yeah that's freaking good. Or would it have been better if the kid had killed the driver and taken off with the car?

A guy gets shot while a crime is being committed against him, and still has the fortitude to defend himself. Don't get all "Will somebody please think of the children" on us.



+1,000,000!!

abso-freakin-lutely!!

Hope the driver is ok.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:02:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?






The good outcome is the victim survived and the attemted murderer died.

If someone points a gun at me in an attempt to rob me, assault me, I could give a rats ass if your 16 or 96, your going to pay the price my man!
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:05:30 PM EDT
So, who gets the credit for the "draw down" in a case like this? Does the dead perp get an assist?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:08:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?



Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:14:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





WTF is wrong with you?
The bad guy (kid or not) died and the VICTIM is going to survive.




Nothing is wrong with me. Getting shot is not my idea of a good outcome. And killing a 16 year old is not a goodday. Taking human life is simply a neccesary evil. Not in any way a good outcome.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:16:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?






So you would like to get car jacked and shot?

WTF?

I carry everyday but I would not like to kill someone. I WOULD in that senario but I would not consider it a good day.

Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:16:52 PM EDT
Did it happen like this?
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:17:19 PM EDT
The carjacker self-owned himself.

Ben
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:23:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
So, who gets the credit for the "draw down" in a case like this? Does the dead perp get an assist?



Does a hockey or soccer goalie that accidentally knocks one in for the opposition in a scrumm get an assist? We could look at that as a precedent.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 5:27:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PaDanby:

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
So, who gets the credit for the "draw down" in a case like this? Does the dead perp get an assist?



Does a hockey or soccer goalie that accidentally knocks one in for the opposition in a scrumm get an assist? We could look at that as a precedent.

That's what I'm sayin'. Or maybe this is sort of like the self-defense equivalent to a Safety in football - the defense gets the points for the offense shooting itself in the foot. Or getting shot in the head.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 6:33:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 6:34:30 PM EDT by jrzy]

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





WTF is wrong with you?
The bad guy (kid or not) died and the VICTIM is going to survive.




Nothing is wrong with me. Getting shot is not my idea of a good outcome. And killing a 16 year old is not a goodday. Taking human life is simply a neccesary evil. Not in any way a good outcome.



Fred the guy stopped being a kid when he loaded a gun and went out to kill and steal a car.
He lost his life.
Be thankful it was not one of your loved ones he tried to kill and STFU!
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 7:43:11 PM EDT
That's just a sad situation....bad parents...
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 8:28:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?






So you would like to get car jacked and shot?

WTF?

I carry everyday but I would not like to kill someone. I WOULD in that senario but I would not consider it a good day.




Total tool
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 8:33:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?



Yep. That's fucking AWESOME, when the "kid" is a 16yr-old scumbag committing multiple felonies and attempted murder.


You're such a sadassed LLLiberal
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 8:35:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?


I would've done the exact same thing.

Hope the driver has a speedy recovery.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 8:38:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





WTF is wrong with you?
The bad guy (kid or not) died and the VICTIM is going to survive.




Nothing is wrong with me. Getting shot is not my idea of a good outcome. And killing a 16 year old is not a goodday. Taking human life is simply a neccesary evil. Not in any way a good outcome.



Why are you overanalyzing this? Living to tell the tale of defeating a scumbag criminal IS a good outcome. Not having some asshole skate through juvi court for a felony IS a good outcome.

Put a band aid on that heart. It's bleeding too much.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 8:39:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?




your right, would have been better if only the 16 year old turd was shot. one good thing, he will not be shooting anyone else now.
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 8:40:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 8:41:08 PM EDT by -Absolut-]

Originally Posted By roboman:
One less scumbag in the world. Hope the driver pulls through okay.

+1
A 16 year old violent criminal is in no way, shape, or form a "kid"
Link Posted: 8/1/2005 8:49:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





WTF is wrong with you?
The bad guy (kid or not) died and the VICTIM is going to survive.




Nothing is wrong with me. Getting shot is not my idea of a good outcome. And killing a 16 year old is not a goodday. Taking human life is simply a neccesary evil. Not in any way a good outcome.



Why are you overanalyzing this? Living to tell the tale of defeating a scumbag criminal IS a good outcome. Not having some asshole skate through juvi court for a felony IS a good outcome.

Put a band aid on that heart. It's bleeding too much.




God forbid I don;t think 2 people getting shot is a good outcome.

Link Posted: 8/1/2005 9:31:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/1/2005 9:33:11 PM EDT by palmer]
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 2:31:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By palmer:



Yep he don't get it. (fred that is)
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 2:42:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 2:52:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





You become a fucking man when you pick up a gun and rob someone.

Tell me you think it's not the kid's fault that he robbed someone....
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 2:54:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





Damn right that's good. Jesus, dude - what planet are you from?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 2:58:27 AM EDT
Used to live in Saginaw, the worst place I have ever lived.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:05:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By palmer:



Yep he don't get it. (fred that is)



So getting shot is a good outcome? For instance you would prefer to be shot while getting carjacked is that it?

How about killing someone? Do you wait around and wish someone would rob you so you can "Draw Down" on them and kill them?

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:09:34 AM EDT
The punks parents will probably sue the family of the driver and make millions anyway.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:22:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By palmer:



Yep he don't get it. (fred that is)



So getting shot is a good outcome? For instance you would prefer to be shot while getting carjacked is that it?

How about killing someone? Do you wait around and wish someone would rob you so you can "Draw Down" on them and kill them?



I would, but they only let us carry these where I live.



CW
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:24:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cold_Warrior:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By palmer:



Yep he don't get it. (fred that is)



So getting shot is a good outcome? For instance you would prefer to be shot while getting carjacked is that it?

How about killing someone? Do you wait around and wish someone would rob you so you can "Draw Down" on them and kill them?



I would, but they only let us carry these where I live.

www.anniescostumes.com/flipcovers.jpg

CW



You should start carrying my your Tikka in the front seat. Strapped in, of course, the poor dear. Sniff, I miss her.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:26:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?






Thats not very Texan of you.

Shok
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:28:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
Good outcomes for both of them



The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?





WTF is wrong with you?
The bad guy (kid or not) died and the VICTIM is going to survive.




Nothing is wrong with me. Getting shot is not my idea of a good outcome. And killing a 16 year old is not a goodday. Taking human life is simply a neccesary evil. Not in any way a good outcome.




Nothing evil with justified homicide.

Shok
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:37:41 AM EDT
Failure to communicate.

No one said "it's a good day when you kill someone."

They said "Good outcomes."

The event was begun. A gun was drawn, an innocent man shot. Several outcomes are possible, one is neccessary. The one where the innocent lives, the crimes are thwarted and long expensive, taxpayer funded trial and appeal process is avoided is indeed "good outcome" for the event which was begun and indeed required some sort of outcome.

Scott
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:38:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Greywolf2112:

Originally Posted By Cold_Warrior:

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By palmer:



Yep he don't get it. (fred that is)



So getting shot is a good outcome? For instance you would prefer to be shot while getting carjacked is that it?

How about killing someone? Do you wait around and wish someone would rob you so you can "Draw Down" on them and kill them?



I would, but they only let us carry these where I live.

www.anniescostumes.com/flipcovers.jpg

CW



You should start carrying my your Tikka in the front seat. Strapped in, of course, the poor dear. Sniff, I miss her.


I thought you had a new love now.

Two timer.

CW
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:46:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:
The guy got shot while getting car jacked and ended up killing a kid.

Thats good?




Yes, he did the world a favor.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:52:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FredM:

Originally Posted By jrzy:

Originally Posted By palmer:



Yep he don't get it. (fred that is)



So getting shot is a good outcome? For instance you would prefer to be shot while getting carjacked is that it?

How about killing someone? Do you wait around and wish someone would rob you so you can "Draw Down" on them and kill them?




I think your missing the point...the kid being killed is a good thing...he was a scumbag criminal, and this way it saves the taxpayers lots of money. I don't think equating a scumbag perp being killed being good with wanting someone to rob you so you can draw down and kill them makes any sense....
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