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Posted: 1/7/2012 3:06:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:08:40 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:09:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3Trip:
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Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:11:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 3:11:31 PM EDT by Mal_means_bad]
Yeah, that ROF looks like it sucks on the receiving end. I believe somebody called it the "thousand yard shotgun" for the kinds of nowhere-to-hide patterns it could produce.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:22:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:24:40 PM EDT
Devastating weapon.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:24:53 PM EDT
The MG-3 was a lot of fun to shoot.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:29:32 PM EDT
Our WWII Vets had balls of steel
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:30:06 PM EDT
You do know that any gun video with 1.6M views has been posted here at least once before, right?
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:43:50 PM EDT
Ferocious. How do you psyche yourself up to face that one?
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:49:55 PM EDT
Re-affirms my WANT for an MG-42.

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:50:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jbclark84:
Ferocious. How do you psyche yourself up to face that one?

I sure as hell don't know. I had a couple Uncles that could have probably told you 28th ID and 1st ID.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:51:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Jbclark84:
Ferocious. How do you psyche yourself up to face that one?


As Lt. Spears states in Band of Brothers, "Private, you just have to accept that you are already dead."
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:54:06 PM EDT
I'd probably be inclined to wait for the mortarmen to take care of it, or at least lay smoke, while the Germans maneuvered on me.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:55:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fireputrouter:
Re-affirms my WANT for an MG-42.

Next time I see a parts kit for sale Im going to jump through hoops to buy it.


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Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:59:20 PM EDT
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 3:59:29 PM EDT
The way to.assualt a mg42 was either at barrel change or with indirect fires.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:03:02 PM EDT
God bless the men who had to.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:05:47 PM EDT
That's why the scene inSaving Private Ryan where they directly assaulted the MG42 nest was so stupid and pointless.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:06:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

You've got brass ovaries, then.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:09:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tim_McBride:
The way to.assualt a mg42 was either at barrel change or with indirect fires.


Or by wading through a hundred yards of chest deep water and then crossing a couple hundred yards of open beach.

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:10:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

You've got brass ovaries, then.

Not really, it doesn't have a barrel in it.

Jane

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:17:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By shocktrp:
You do know that any gun video with 1.6M views has been posted here at least once before, right?



Wow, you sure showed him. It was awful that I had to watch that ( in GD no less) and others had to comment. Thanks for squaring him away, we owe you.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:19:56 PM EDT
Shot one. Tons of fun!
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:21:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

You've got brass ovaries, then.

Not really, it doesn't have a barrel in it.

Jane



I see what you did ther
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:24:00 PM EDT
The Soviets called it: Hitler's Buzz Saw.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:25:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

Damn
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:28:23 PM EDT
I think I mentioned this the last time this video was posted but I remember watching an old training film that was used to encourage Allied troops to keep moving when they heard an MG42. A lot of soldiers would stop their advance and instinctively go for cover if an MG42 opened up in their area. It had a line in the film that went something like "Just because you can hear it, doesn't necessarily mean the machine gun crew is aiming at you." Personally I think I'd dig for China if I heard an MG42 open up while I was advancing.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:34:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 4:38:43 PM EDT by ayf43]
Interesting story

Heinrich Severloh ,nicknamed "Beast of the Beach" by G.I.'s at Omaha Beach, manned a MG-42 emplacement by himself, and kept them pinned down for hours

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Severloh

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:41:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 4:50:45 PM EDT by torstin]
What was the flaw with this gun or what has been improved upon? From the comments here, I'd expect it to still be in service.

eta. wikipedia has enlightened me with the mg3.

eta. i also see that the mg3 is going to be replaced at the squad level with the hk121.

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:43:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dead-As-Dillinger:
I think I mentioned this the last time this video was posted but I remember watching an old training film that was used to encourage Allied troops to keep moving when they heard an MG42. A lot of soldiers would stop their advance and instinctively go for cover if an MG42 opened up in their area. It had a line in the film that went something like "Just because you can hear it, doesn't necessarily mean the machine gun crew is aiming at you." Personally I think I'd dig for China if I heard an MG42 open up while I was advancing.


There were many films dedicated to making the MG42 seem less lethal.

One thing is for certain - Out of all the MGs of WW2 , one is still being used today with few modifications, and that's the MG42 as the MG3.

It's amazing when you think that 70some years ago people could think up of a weapon that would put fear in the hearts of people such as that gun did. There's a scene out of Brest Fortress where a MG42 crew is gunning down Russians by the hundreds. When I think of the MG42 I now think of that scene and hundreds of Russians running to an immediate death at the opening of that tunnel.

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:43:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Neutral_Observer:
Originally Posted By Tim_McBride:
The way to.assualt a mg42 was either at barrel change or with indirect fires.


Or by wading through a hundred yards of chest deep water and then crossing a couple hundred yards of open beach.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/1944_NormandyLST.jpg


Those were fucking men. I couldn't imagine being in one of those boats, knowing as soon as the bridge dropped you was probably going to die. Saving Private Ryan's opening scene on the WW2 front shown it best. Fucking Insane.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:44:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:46:53 PM EDT
It we had thought it out, we would probably still have the MG42 today. We were screwed wth the M60.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:49:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 4:50:51 PM EDT by Dru]
Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

You've got brass ovaries, then.

Not really, it doesn't have a barrel in it.

Jane






OMG!!!!!!

Jane... You are my sunshine!

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:54:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 4:57:24 PM EDT by Shockergd]
Originally Posted By torstin:
What was the flaw with this gun or what has been improved upon? From the comments here, I'd expect it to still be in service.

eta. wikipedia has enlightened me with the mg3.

eta. i also see that the mg3 is going to be replaced at the squad level with the hk121.



It is still in service, It's call the MG3 and used by several armies including the Germans. The only difference is better materials and a heavier bolt that slowed down the ROF from 20/s to about 12/s.

Look familiar? :)






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYNFilb-YA
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:57:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2012 4:59:09 PM EDT by PlaneJane]
Originally Posted By Dru:
Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

You've got brass ovaries, then.

Not really, it doesn't have a barrel in it.

Jane






OMG!!!!!!

Jane... You are my sunshine!


A smartass is what I am. And a serious MG 42 fan.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 4:58:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

You've got brass ovaries, then.

Not really, it doesn't have a barrel in it.

Jane



Link Posted: 1/7/2012 5:04:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dead-As-Dillinger:
I think I mentioned this the last time this video was posted but I remember watching an old training film that was used to encourage Allied troops to keep moving when they heard an MG42. A lot of soldiers would stop their advance and instinctively go for cover if an MG42 opened up in their area. It had a line in the film that went something like "Just because you can hear it, doesn't necessarily mean the machine gun crew is aiming at you." Personally I think I'd dig for China if I heard an MG42 open up while I was advancing.


Probably been greased by one of those more than once doing WWII reenacting. The sound will raise the hair on the back of your neck. best, Rob
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 5:10:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Shockergd:


It is still in service, It's call the MG3 and used by several armies including the Germans. The only difference is better materials and a heavier bolt that slowed down the ROF from 20/s to about 12/s.

Look familiar? :)



Why, yes. Now that you mention it, it does.

Knowing this design has not been dramatically improved upon has me curious about the mechanicals. I'll have to do some reading on that. I had an opportunity to shoot one years ago, but definitely did not appreciate the significance of it.

Is it possible to swap to a lighter bolt and higher ROF as needed?


Link Posted: 1/7/2012 5:26:24 PM EDT
I recall that they had to reverse engineer the MG-3 from the better examples they had of the MG-42 since the drawings had been destroyed.

Why we didn't put it in service in the US is beyond me, but I'm sure NIH and other politics played a part.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:17:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tim_McBride:
The way to.assualt a mg42 was either at barrel change or with indirect fires.


You DO realise how quick you can change out the barrel of an MG-42, right?

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:20:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tim_McBride:
The way to.assualt a mg42 was either at barrel change or with indirect fires.


Or when a belt was loaded backwards.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 8:27:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LePew:
I recall that they had to reverse engineer the MG-3 from the better examples they had of the MG-42 since the drawings had been destroyed.

Why we didn't put it in service in the US is beyond me, but I'm sure NIH and other politics played a part.


T24 in 30-06, failed testing due to a manufacturing flaw in the prototype. The Army doesn't seem to have tried very hard (or at all) to fix it, I guess they chalked up German success to magic elves or something, project was shelved hastily.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 9:01:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shockergd:
Originally Posted By torstin:
What was the flaw with this gun or what has been improved upon? From the comments here, I'd expect it to still be in service.

eta. wikipedia has enlightened me with the mg3.

eta. i also see that the mg3 is going to be replaced at the squad level with the hk121.



It is still in service, It's call the MG3 and used by several armies including the Germans. The only difference is better materials and a heavier bolt that slowed down the ROF from 20/s to about 12/s.
Look familiar? :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/MG3_Tripod.JPEG/800px-MG3_Tripod.JPEG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/MG3_Training.JPEG/800px-MG3_Training.JPEG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/BundeswehrMG3.jpg/800px-BundeswehrMG3.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYNFilb-YA



The 1000+ rds/min is what made it legendary

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 9:10:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 9:13:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jarhead08:

Originally Posted By Jbclark84:
Ferocious. How do you psyche yourself up to face that one?

I sure as hell don't know. I had a couple Uncles that could have probably told you 28th ID and 1st ID.
The old Bloody Bucket.

Link Posted: 1/7/2012 9:14:38 PM EDT
Listen to that. Fast.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 9:15:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

You've got brass ovaries, then.

Not really, it doesn't have a barrel in it.

Jane


I feel violated.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 9:15:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaneJane:
I didn't watch the video, but I wouldn't hesitate to charge into the machinegun shown in OP.

Jane

Since it isn't embedded I think that we could just stroll up and shoot the operator with our pistols.
Link Posted: 1/7/2012 9:15:31 PM EDT
Old guy I knew said the best way to stop an MG-42 was to get all set all your guys spread out, count to 3, then just blast the area with your magazines. Worked well enough, he said.
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