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Posted: 4/19/2010 3:55:53 AM EDT
What Say You?

Some gun owners, saying that the National Rifle Association isn't battling hard enough for their rights, are taking the fight into their own hands.

The 4.3 million-member NRA, one of the most powerful and well-funded lobbying groups in Washington, has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.

But its strategies aren't aggressive or imaginative enough for some gun owners who want to openly carry holstered pistols in public places, or to exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.

They are coming together in smaller, loosely organized groups that recruit on the Internet and find inspiration from the tea party movement.

On Monday, several thousand gun owners plan to mount two protests—a march in Washington and an "open-carry" rally in Mount Vernon, Va.

"More and more the gun-rights movement is moving toward a stand-up-and-shout approach," said Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition, a for-profit, loose-knit coalition of activists. "There's a lot of general frustration with NRA not taking a hard enough line."

Data on how many owners are joining the splinter groups are scant, because many are newly organized, and tend to seek contributions over formal memberships. In addition, some gun owners join more than one group. Mr. Knox estimated that the splinter groups had one million to 1.5 million members or regular contributors.

The NRA is "no longer absolutely the 800-pound gorilla" in the pro-gun movement, said Gary Marbut, a life member of the NRA and president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, an NRA affiliate. "The NRA is running the risk of becoming insignificant, of fading into the background."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/19/gun-rights-advocates-open-new/?test=latestnews
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:01:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Patriot_Z:
What Say You?

Some gun owners, saying that the National Rifle Association isn't battling hard enough for their rights, are taking the fight into their own hands.

The 4.3 million-member NRA, one of the most powerful and well-funded lobbying groups in Washington, has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.

But its strategies aren't aggressive or imaginative enough for some gun owners who want to openly carry holstered pistols in public places, or to exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.

They are coming together in smaller, loosely organized groups that recruit on the Internet and find inspiration from the tea party movement.

On Monday, several thousand gun owners plan to mount two protests—a march in Washington and an "open-carry" rally in Mount Vernon, Va.

"More and more the gun-rights movement is moving toward a stand-up-and-shout approach," said Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition, a for-profit, loose-knit coalition of activists. "There's a lot of general frustration with NRA not taking a hard enough line."

Data on how many owners are joining the splinter groups are scant, because many are newly organized, and tend to seek contributions over formal memberships. In addition, some gun owners join more than one group. Mr. Knox estimated that the splinter groups had one million to 1.5 million members or regular contributors.

The NRA is "no longer absolutely the 800-pound gorilla" in the pro-gun movement, said Gary Marbut, a life member of the NRA and president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, an NRA affiliate. "The NRA is running the risk of becoming insignificant, of fading into the background."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/19/gun-rights-advocates-open-new/?test=latestnews


huh ?
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:03:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By usp4u:
Originally Posted By Patriot_Z:
What Say You?

Some gun owners, saying that the National Rifle Association isn't battling hard enough for their rights, are taking the fight into their own hands.

The 4.3 million-member NRA, one of the most powerful and well-funded lobbying groups in Washington, has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.

But its strategies aren't aggressive or imaginative enough for some gun owners who want to openly carry holstered pistols in public places, or to exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.

They are coming together in smaller, loosely organized groups that recruit on the Internet and find inspiration from the tea party movement.

On Monday, several thousand gun owners plan to mount two protests—a march in Washington and an "open-carry" rally in Mount Vernon, Va.

"More and more the gun-rights movement is moving toward a stand-up-and-shout approach," said Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition, a for-profit, loose-knit coalition of activists. "There's a lot of general frustration with NRA not taking a hard enough line."

Data on how many owners are joining the splinter groups are scant, because many are newly organized, and tend to seek contributions over formal memberships. In addition, some gun owners join more than one group. Mr. Knox estimated that the splinter groups had one million to 1.5 million members or regular contributors.

The NRA is "no longer absolutely the 800-pound gorilla" in the pro-gun movement, said Gary Marbut, a life member of the NRA and president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, an NRA affiliate. "The NRA is running the risk of becoming insignificant, of fading into the background."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/19/gun-rights-advocates-open-new/?test=latestnews


huh ?


my reaction, exactly.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:04:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By usp4u:
Originally Posted By Patriot_Z:
What Say You?

Some gun owners, saying that the National Rifle Association isn't battling hard enough for their rights, are taking the fight into their own hands.

The 4.3 million-member NRA, one of the most powerful and well-funded lobbying groups in Washington, has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.

But its strategies aren't aggressive or imaginative enough for some gun owners who want to openly carry holstered pistols in public places, or to exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.

They are coming together in smaller, loosely organized groups that recruit on the Internet and find inspiration from the tea party movement.

On Monday, several thousand gun owners plan to mount two protests—a march in Washington and an "open-carry" rally in Mount Vernon, Va.

"More and more the gun-rights movement is moving toward a stand-up-and-shout approach," said Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition, a for-profit, loose-knit coalition of activists. "There's a lot of general frustration with NRA not taking a hard enough line."

Data on how many owners are joining the splinter groups are scant, because many are newly organized, and tend to seek contributions over formal memberships. In addition, some gun owners join more than one group. Mr. Knox estimated that the splinter groups had one million to 1.5 million members or regular contributors.

The NRA is "no longer absolutely the 800-pound gorilla" in the pro-gun movement, said Gary Marbut, a life member of the NRA and president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, an NRA affiliate. "The NRA is running the risk of becoming insignificant, of fading into the background."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/19/gun-rights-advocates-open-new/?test=latestnews


huh ?

Havent you seen the loops the California folks have to go through?

Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:05:45 AM EDT
And like I said in the other thread:

The NRA needs a new Harlon Carter.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:06:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Silence:

Originally Posted By usp4u:
Originally Posted By Patriot_Z:
What Say You?

Some gun owners, saying that the National Rifle Association isn't battling hard enough for their rights, are taking the fight into their own hands.

The 4.3 million-member NRA, one of the most powerful and well-funded lobbying groups in Washington, has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.

But its strategies aren't aggressive or imaginative enough for some gun owners who want to openly carry holstered pistols in public places, or to exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.

They are coming together in smaller, loosely organized groups that recruit on the Internet and find inspiration from the tea party movement.

On Monday, several thousand gun owners plan to mount two protests—a march in Washington and an "open-carry" rally in Mount Vernon, Va.

"More and more the gun-rights movement is moving toward a stand-up-and-shout approach," said Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition, a for-profit, loose-knit coalition of activists. "There's a lot of general frustration with NRA not taking a hard enough line."

Data on how many owners are joining the splinter groups are scant, because many are newly organized, and tend to seek contributions over formal memberships. In addition, some gun owners join more than one group. Mr. Knox estimated that the splinter groups had one million to 1.5 million members or regular contributors.

The NRA is "no longer absolutely the 800-pound gorilla" in the pro-gun movement, said Gary Marbut, a life member of the NRA and president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, an NRA affiliate. "The NRA is running the risk of becoming insignificant, of fading into the background."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/19/gun-rights-advocates-open-new/?test=latestnews


huh ?

Havent you seen the loops the California folks have to go through?





Also, dupe.

Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:08:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 4:09:59 AM EDT by Mclovin5-0]
The nature of activism is changing; The NRA is more of an advocacy group that you pay your dues to and they lobby in DC on your behalf. Web organizing has encouraged the growth of grass roots, direct citizen action. Coupled with the fact that many gun owners feel the NRA has either been too compromising or catered towards the "wood gun" demographic, the NRA is going to have to reexamine how they do business in the future. They're not on the verge of closing the doors, but they'll need to change with the times. Their organizational abilities and access to capitol hill still makes them valuable in our cause.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:35:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mclovin5-0:
The nature of activism is changing; The NRA is more of an advocacy group that you pay your dues to and they lobby in DC on your behalf. Web organizing has encouraged the growth of grass roots, direct citizen action. Coupled with the fact that many gun owners feel the NRA has either been too compromising or catered towards the "wood gun" demographic, the NRA is going to have to reexamine how they do business in the future. They're not on the verge of closing the doors, but they'll need to change with the times. Their organizational abilities and access to capitol hill still makes them valuable in our cause.


^ This!
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:38:55 AM EDT
...has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.


'expand'?


That is where I stopped reading.

Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:46:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Patriot_Z:
What Say You?

Some gun owners, saying that the National Rifle Association isn't battling hard enough for their rights, are taking the fight into their own hands.

The 4.3 million-member NRA, one of the most powerful and well-funded lobbying groups in Washington, has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.

But its strategies aren't aggressive or imaginative enough for some gun owners who want to openly carry holstered pistols in public places, or to exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.

They are coming together in smaller, loosely organized groups that recruit on the Internet and find inspiration from the tea party movement.

On Monday, several thousand gun owners plan to mount two protests—a march in Washington and an "open-carry" rally in Mount Vernon, Va.

"More and more the gun-rights movement is moving toward a stand-up-and-shout approach," said Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition, a for-profit, loose-knit coalition of activists. "There's a lot of general frustration with NRA not taking a hard enough line."

Data on how many owners are joining the splinter groups are scant, because many are newly organized, and tend to seek contributions over formal memberships. In addition, some gun owners join more than one group. Mr. Knox estimated that the splinter groups had one million to 1.5 million members or regular contributors.

The NRA is "no longer absolutely the 800-pound gorilla" in the pro-gun movement, said Gary Marbut, a life member of the NRA and president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, an NRA affiliate. "The NRA is running the risk of becoming insignificant, of fading into the background."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/19/gun-rights-advocates-open-new/?test=latestnews


Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:51:58 AM EDT
i really wish that people would not quote an entire article like this multiple times. give the mobile forum users a break sometimes.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:52:49 AM EDT
Wow another hit piece on the NRA. Of course they quote Jeff Knox, son of Neal Knox the outspoken NRA basher. If the Knox's opinion is so great then why don't they have 4.3 million members following them? They are on the fringe and exclude people that don't agree with them. The NRA is an all inclusive group that represents all firearm owners. In order to do that they can't take a hard line approach or as the FUDDs would have it take a softer approach. The NRA is doing it just about right given the number of opinions and views of the entire firearms community. Anyone that thinks they can do it better should go form their own organization and become more powerful than the NRA based on your own merits. No one has done things, the only organizations that exist are NRA bashing organizations that pick up the disgruntled NRA members.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:55:54 AM EDT
If Obama takes a swipe at gun ownership on the Federal level, only the NRA can stop him. I believe that Obama has decided not to turn that rock over because of the NRA. Until and unless he does that, the NRA will not seem significant to the uninformed, in spite of it's long term, in-depth penetration and support. Local "stand up and shout" orgs are important, as are national "stand up and shout" orgs. But they can't do what the NRA can do. We need everyone and everything.

NRA Parton Life Member
JPFO founding member
GOA member
Georgia Carry
AFRCOM
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 4:57:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Patriot_Z:
What Say You?

or to exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.



Do you mean like, walk in, fill out the form, show my DL and CHL and walk out with a semi-automatic rifle?

Yeah, that was tricky!

Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:01:28 AM EDT
I don't think the NRA is obsolete... what I personally think is happening is that many people are seeing the momentum shift, and are doing whatever they can to supplement the forces that have gained us ground.

The NRA isn't the ONLY thing we should be relying on.

The way I see it, the more the better.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:07:12 AM EDT
I do think that the NRA fights for our gun rights in much the same manner that .gov fights the "war on drugs": They fight for a standstill, always keeping
it in "crisis mode" which guarantees plenty of funding. This ensures that the paid members of the board continue to get an assured paycheck.

They are fighting not to win, but to keep fighting and getting paid for it.

It's about lifetime employment.


CJ
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:14:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
I do think that the NRA fights for our gun rights in much the same manner that .gov fights the "war on drugs": They fight for a standstill, always keeping
it in "crisis mode" which guarantees plenty of funding. This ensures that the paid members of the board continue to get an assured paycheck.

They are fighting not to win, but to keep fighting and getting paid for it.

It's about lifetime employment.


CJ


yea, Ill go with this..

I also think they stay away from major issues like NFA/Class III stuff as well.



Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:14:33 AM EDT
The NRA would have alot more members if they did not charge the fees.
There are many people who would join together and help out a cause but won't give their money for nothing.
Hearing a number like 4.3 million members gives alot of people the idea that there are only 4.3 million people who want guns.The real number of people wanting their gun rights to stand or expand is much greater.Having a non paying member status could get a huge member count and help the cause.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:16:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Patriot_Z:
What Say You?

Some gun owners, saying that the National Rifle Association isn't battling hard enough for their rights, are taking the fight into their own hands.

The 4.3 million-member NRA, one of the most powerful and well-funded lobbying groups in Washington, has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.

But its strategies aren't aggressive or imaginative enough for some gun owners who want to openly carry holstered pistols in public places, or to exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.

They are coming together in smaller, loosely organized groups that recruit on the Internet and find inspiration from the tea party movement.

On Monday, several thousand gun owners plan to mount two protests—a march in Washington and an "open-carry" rally in Mount Vernon, Va.

"More and more the gun-rights movement is moving toward a stand-up-and-shout approach," said Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition, a for-profit, loose-knit coalition of activists. "There's a lot of general frustration with NRA not taking a hard enough line."

Data on how many owners are joining the splinter groups are scant, because many are newly organized, and tend to seek contributions over formal memberships. In addition, some gun owners join more than one group. Mr. Knox estimated that the splinter groups had one million to 1.5 million members or regular contributors.

The NRA is "no longer absolutely the 800-pound gorilla" in the pro-gun movement, said Gary Marbut, a life member of the NRA and president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, an NRA affiliate. "The NRA is running the risk of becoming insignificant, of fading into the background."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/19/gun-rights-advocates-open-new/?test=latestnews


This is a WSJ article, not Fox News. Misleading topic.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:16:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 5:17:10 AM EDT by odiedodi]
Nevermind, I've been mislead.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:17:22 AM EDT
While that article is written like crap, I agree.

As a gun owner, I am fucking sick and tired of the NRA not standing up for our rights, all of them. They love the FUD guns and are all about hunting, but anything about self defense and the pure want for cool toys and they get all quiet and just take your money.

They have contacts, but will sell the class III guys and the ar/ak.........anything any military uses cowd out in a new you minute.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:22:36 AM EDT
unless the NRA gets a more public well known face ala Chuck Heston, and actually starts to LISTEN to the membership
it may well be destined to fail..


Ted needs to shout more.., Selleck needs to get re-involved and LOUD,
HUNDREDS of other Hollywood types are closet conservative Pro Gunners needs to come OUT as well....
I have written, called and emailed the NRA,,as I have the Congress, seeminly to little avail.


CHEF
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:22:56 AM EDT
I am waiting to see how the current elections for Board Of Directors goes. If a guy like Joaquin Jackson is re-elected after his public idiocy. I have some very difficult decisions to ponder. The fear the NRA puts into the antis is a very powerful tool & I'd like to know how bad the laws would be without the NRA. We do a ton of good, but just like ejecting RINOs from congress.

Guys like Jackson should not be in positions of power. They run off folks who are sick of constant compromise and their elitist beliefs are a cancer inside the organization. It's one thing to carefully approach some of the more delicate subjects, due to not wanting to alienate the general public, & quite another to completely avoid them. We'll see how the elections go... If a bunch of folks get together in a "Tea Party" sort of affiliation regarding firearms, I hope it doesn't turn into a giant clusterfuck that does more harm, than good.

Kind of like the GOP, I really see chances to improve it. The NRA needs some shaping up, too. We'll see if the leadership actually is willing to listen more to regular folks, or simply pacify the elitists.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 5:23:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 6:01:57 AM EDT by dizzy]
if you search for " Gun-Rights Advocates Open a New Front " on news.google.com it will show a link to the complete WJS arcticle.
Linking directly to WSJ from here doesn't show the complete article though.

ETA: you can see the WSJ link on news.google.com
http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Gun-Rights+Advocates+Open+a+New+Front
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:38:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 7:39:14 AM EDT by cyborg543]
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Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:52:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 7:53:25 AM EDT by Patriot_Z]
Originally Posted By hondaciv:

This is a WSJ article, not Fox News. Misleading topic.


WSJ article copied, linked, and bolded on the front page of FOX News. They might not have written it, but they obviously support the view of the author.

Link Posted: 4/19/2010 7:56:00 AM EDT
The NRA is still Hunter/Fudd-Centric, that needs to change.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:11:20 AM EDT
Must be a slow news day.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:13:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
The NRA is still Hunter/Fudd-Centric, that needs to change.

Don't we have an NRA board member on this site?


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm a proud member of the NRA. I tire of these threads.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 8:57:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By regalrocket:
While that article is written like crap, I agree.

As a gun owner, I am fucking sick and tired of the NRA not standing up for our rights, all of them. They love the FUD guns and are all about hunting, but anything about self defense and the pure want for cool toys and they get all quiet and just take your money.

They have contacts, but will sell the class III guys and the ar/ak.........anything any military uses cowd out in a new you minute.


I agree. And it was very evident to me when I took the RSO course." Never refer to the thing as a weapon, it's a gun" was told to me over a dozen times, everytime I used the word weapon. I finally said to the instructor, "It's a fucking weapon. It's meant to destroy what you point it at".

I was constantly told to "never point a gun at another person" and my response was then how do I shoot that person if I want to shoot them?

The NRA is all about target practice. It has bowed to the PC bullshit invented by the Left.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:15:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
The NRA is still Hunter/Fudd-Centric, that needs to change.

Don't we have an NRA board member on this site?


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm a proud member of the NRA. I tire of these threads.


you could go down to the local bar and grill and hear people talking the same retarded elbows-on-the-bar crap talk as these threads produce.

it a waste of time to try to convince these tacticool tapco fuckheads of anything.

there are three subjects that produce embarrassingly stupid horseshit on arfcom: NRA, SHTF, and the great imaginary fudd war.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:21:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyborg543:
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
The NRA is still Hunter/Fudd-Centric, that needs to change.

Don't we have an NRA board member on this site?


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm a proud member of the NRA. I tire of these threads.


you could go down to the local bar and grill and hear people talking the same retarded elbows-on-the-bar crap talk as these threads produce.

it a waste of time to try to convince these tacticool tapco fuckheads of anything.

there are three subjects that produce embarrassingly stupid horseshit on arfcom: NRA, SHTF, and the great imaginary fudd war.


IIRC, the NRA 'rifle of the years' have been black...The only fudd's I ever encounter are the locals gun shops, and I haven't been in one for years.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:28:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 9:30:03 AM EDT by 1Andy2]
Alan Gura and John Levy have done more for gun rights in the past 2 or 3 years than the entire NRA in the past 35.

A giant lobbying organization would be nice... but sadly, it just doesn't look like they do all that much lobbying. Or at least, not so much with their heart in it.

eta: I will give them partial credit for the FOPA, even though many of it's good aspects have been neutered.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:29:42 AM EDT
They keep the liberals scared.

That alone was worth my 500 bucks.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:37:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 9:38:16 AM EDT by Fletchette]
Originally Posted By LibertyShip:
If Obama takes a swipe at gun ownership on the Federal level, only the NRA can stop him. I believe that Obama has decided not to turn that rock over because of the NRA. Until and unless he does that, the NRA will not seem significant to the uninformed, in spite of it's long term, in-depth penetration and support. Local "stand up and shout" orgs are important, as are national "stand up and shout" orgs. But they can't do what the NRA can do. We need everyone and everything.

NRA Parton Life Member
JPFO founding member
GOA member
Georgia Carry
AFRCOM


This.

The NRA is a Federal lobbying orgnaization. They have remained quiet because Obama has not proposed any new gun control, kinda like saving your ammo for when you need it.

If the NRA was lobbying hard now they would simply be ineffective when we need them.

Another way of looking at it: the NRA is so powerful that Obama has decided NOT to poke that hornets nest.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:39:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:40:42 AM EDT
The reason why a lot of people are frustrated with the NRA is because the NRA does not like to do the public protests, the empty holster events, or the unloaded gun get togethers. The NRA has long feared that such events would lead to bad publicity and harm the institution. That is an understandable fear, the problem is people have stopped waiting around for the NRA to lead them, and have started organizing the events on their own.

In the past gun owners need the NRA and it's magazine publications or the NRA-ILA to help coordinate events for gun owners. But now gun owners can organize on-line using sites like ARFCOM, or other sites, and get together and hold their own protests, without the NRA's involvement. The first couple of times people do these kind of protests it is a little scary, but once they got the experience they understand how to better organize and network. Similar to the TEA Parties, now people realize they don't need the Republican Party or in this case the NRA to hold or organize a protest/gathering/meeting/whatever. Once that happens it becomes easy for people to view groups like the NRA largely irrelevant.

It should be a wake up call for people in charge at the NRA.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:47:51 AM EDT
The NRA is the reason any of you still has a gun. they are and will be the 800lb gorilla for a long time. They are growing in membership very fast right now. It's better to reform from within and if you leave them then they will certainly compromise in the future, so join with them and reform them from within.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:52:03 AM EDT
Just like you don't need the RNC to donate to candidates in other states (took me 5 minutes apiece to donate to Brown, Hayworth, and Rubio) the internet has opened numerous grass roots venues at the local and regional levels for promoting the 2nd.

That doesn't mean the NRA is obsolete. It's an enhancement, not an either/or.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:52:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2010 10:03:51 AM EDT by enemy]
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
The NRA is still Hunter/Fudd-Centric, that needs to change.

Don't we have an NRA board member on this site?


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm a proud member of the NRA. I tire of these threads.


Same here. NRA does some things very well while other groups do other things very well. We all need to stay involved and get new members to join. I plan on getting a new person to join this weekend.

ETA I love what VCDL and Cal guns has done as well. As well as MD shall issue.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 9:55:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By die-tryin:
Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
I do think that the NRA fights for our gun rights in much the same manner that .gov fights the "war on drugs": They fight for a standstill, always keeping
it in "crisis mode" which guarantees plenty of funding. This ensures that the paid members of the board continue to get an assured paycheck.

They are fighting not to win, but to keep fighting and getting paid for it.

It's about lifetime employment.


CJ


yea, Ill go with this..

I also think they stay away from major issues like NFA/Class III stuff as well.





I think the NRA might lose some traction if they went full bore reducing the regs on NFA toys. I think it is best that the push for that comes from the grassroots. Let the NRA remain silent on the issue. I am perfectly happy to play good cop bad cop if it serves our ends.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:00:06 AM EDT
Just look at it this way, if they millionaires up at the NRA eliminate gun control they also eliminate their jobs.

Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:00:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By callgood:
Just like you don't need the RNC to donate to candidates in other states (took me 5 minutes apiece to donate to Brown, Hayworth, and Rubio) the internet has opened numerous grass roots venues at the local and regional levels for promoting the 2nd.

That doesn't mean the NRA is obsolete. It's an enhancement, not an either/or
.


Bolded for truth.

The NRA is a great organization that, due to its nature, can't do everything. Some things should be done at the grassroots; others she be handled by the NRA.
Link Posted: 4/19/2010 10:16:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
...has for 35 years dominated the push to expand gun rights.


'expand'?


That is where I stopped reading.



How many states had legal CCW 35 years ago? How much of a hand did the NRA have in the expansion? Preemption in states?

Oh, and Thursday is NRA bash day.


Expanding would be us getting 'more' than what is already on the law books, NEW rights.

Expanding would be adding an addition to a home I already have. Expansion would be a country taking over another, not taking back land that someone else seized.

I am not bashing, as I am a member and already defended them in this thread.
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I say that it appears they did jack and shit for Maryland gun owners in the last legislative session.
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Originally Posted By Patriot_Z:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:

This is a WSJ article, not Fox News. Misleading topic.


WSJ article copied, linked, and bolded on the front page of FOX News. They might not have written it, but they obviously support the view of the author.



Murdock owns The WSJ and Fox News. It's well known he uses Fox News to channel people into subscriptions with the WSJ, which are well worth the money. The complete article as printed on A3 today is a much better read of the whole situation.
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Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
I do think that the NRA fights for our gun rights in much the same manner that .gov fights the "war on drugs": They fight for a standstill, always keeping
it in "crisis mode" which guarantees plenty of funding. This ensures that the paid members of the board continue to get an assured paycheck.

They are fighting not to win, but to keep fighting and getting paid for it.

It's about lifetime employment.


CJ

Spot on.
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