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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:25:52 AM EDT
[#1]
That fucking sucks and is pointless, if there’s a will there’s a way
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:26:11 AM EDT
[#2]
How dare you!
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:26:16 AM EDT
[#3]
Seriously? Any other sources besides this guy?
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:27:56 AM EDT
[#4]
Well fuck them too then
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:28:58 AM EDT
[#5]
I envision someone willing to come along to fill the gap.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:30:01 AM EDT
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Seriously? Any other sources besides this guy? |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:30:25 AM EDT
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Seriously? Any other sources besides this guy? But the cutoff being Monday, I guess we'll find out soon enough. Fuck FLIR if true. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:30:34 AM EDT
[#8]
In for confirmation.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:30:41 AM EDT
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I envision someone willing to come along to fill the gap. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:30:44 AM EDT
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Seriously? Any other sources besides this guy? 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:31:08 AM EDT
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Seriously? Any other sources besides this guy? ETA, beat by the poster above me |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:33:26 AM EDT
[#12]
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Well fuck them too then |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:34:05 AM EDT
[#13]
Check with TNVC. They are tight with FLIR.
ETA Damn, hope they support their existing product in the field. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:35:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:35:26 AM EDT
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Check with TNVC. They are tight with FLIR. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:36:01 AM EDT
[#16]
Wow, looks like I should head to the store and buy whatever is in stock? Imagine the prices on them will go up shortly
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:36:48 AM EDT
[#17]
I bet people are scurrying to buy Prebans right now.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:39:07 AM EDT
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Why?
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:39:50 AM EDT
[#19]
When you bite the hand that feeds you.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:40:12 AM EDT
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Why? |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:40:40 AM EDT
[#21]
They getting woke?
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:40:44 AM EDT
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Anti gun anti hunting BOD. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:40:47 AM EDT
[#23]
Flir must be tight with the current VA government.
Both seem to think lowly citizens are nothing more than an object to fleece money from. The difference being one entity steals the money from you via taxes and the other entity fleeces you of that same money via the first that steals it from you. I guess I wont be buying any of the Flir equipment that I have been looking hard at, both the weapon sight and the industrial test equipment that I was considering. Fuck em. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:41:45 AM EDT
[#24]
Cunts.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:44:04 AM EDT
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Why? |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:44:07 AM EDT
[#26]
I'm glad I decided to go with Pulsar!!
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:44:08 AM EDT
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Is ATN owned by FLIR? If not im sure they are thrilled of this news.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:44:34 AM EDT
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They might be hedging against citizens and .gov getting into hot exchanges due to VA and all. They would rather be on the good side of the state, so they can supply the equipment that will be used to murder the dissidents.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:45:31 AM EDT
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Government pressure to get it limited before something planned?
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:46:54 AM EDT
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Anti gun anti hunting BOD. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:47:21 AM EDT
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I was going to order a PTS233 tomorrow...
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:47:40 AM EDT
[#32]
I’m guessing they’re ending the FLIR brand name in sales.
Future civilian sales will either go through ATN or another company that they wholesale their technology to. To be honest I kind of get it. Civilian sales is a lot of legwork for arguably little return vs military/govt sales. So let someone else handle civilian sales. Invest in R&D. Move on. It’s especially attractive if they’re gearing up to sell themselves. Either private / venture capitalists or to someone like Boeing / Lockheed / etc. Cuts the corporate headcount down and lowers perceived legal liability. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:48:19 AM EDT
[#33]
Really FLIR?
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:49:50 AM EDT
[#34]
Umm why? They don’t like money?
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:51:04 AM EDT
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I’m guessing they’re ending the FLIR brand name in sales. Future civilian sales will either go through ATN or another company that they wholesale their technology to. To be honest I kind of get it. Civilian sales is a lot of legwork for arguably little return vs military/govt sales. So let someone else handle civilian sales. Invest in R&D. Move on. It’s especially attractive if they’re gearing up to sell themselves. Either private / venture capitalists or to someone like Boeing / Lockheed / etc. Cuts the corporate headcount down and lowers perceived legal liability. Kind of like my company doing bathroom remodels. We’re not really geared twords it and would loose money. Flir is a gubmmit company. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:51:26 AM EDT
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When you bite the hand that feeds you. Heck, FLIR owns armasight and they are an OEM provider of IR sensors for other companies that sell civilian IR. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:51:28 AM EDT
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I bet activist investors took another scalp.
https://fintel.io/so/us/flir Largest investor: Vanguard https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2018/05/07/vanguard-invest-guns-opioids-hogg-parkland.html Second largest: BlackRock https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/article/corporate-one/press-releases/blackrock-approach-to-companies-manufacturing-distributing-firearms https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/blackrock-says-its-time-to-take-action-on-guns-may-use-voting-power-to-influence.html |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:52:36 AM EDT
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Umm why? They don’t like money? You know, because the government has its own money.....
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:54:56 AM EDT
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I'm not at all up on thermal optics companies, does anyone else make a comparable product in terms of quality, that also sells to filthy civilians?
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:56:46 AM EDT
[#40]
This shit is getting ridiculous.
Every terrible implement of the soldier. Every. damn. one. That is a GOD given right. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:58:18 AM EDT
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Not really at all a problem for them. Companies like FLIR, and L3 and the like make ALOT more off gov’t sales and spares than civilian sales. Heck, FLIR owns armasight and they are an OEM provider of IR sensors for other companies that sell civilian IR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When you bite the hand that feeds you. Heck, FLIR owns armasight and they are an OEM provider of IR sensors for other companies that sell civilian IR. I could use a ton of oil industry examples. But at the end of the day if you’re the OEM supplier / R&D leader / etc. It rarely makes sense to compete with who you supply. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:59:56 AM EDT
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Why? Disgusting King's Armorers pukes... |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:00:36 AM EDT
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According to FLIR we just had a meeting with... For some odd reason the {"other thread was locked"} so others here might want to know as we head into Shot Show. Going forward they will only have SCOUT, SCION, PVS, LSX/R and BREACH products available for purchase for consumers. They will not be LE or Mil restricted as some other rumors have surfaced. All their warranty support stays the same. Hope this helps with the info traffic. Rather, I understood it as the scout, scion, breach, etc would still be available to civilians, while FLIR continues to provide their other TWS stuff exclusively to .mil, .gov customers. ie. other than those specific products, FLIR will restrict everything else to LE/MIL. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/435611/flir_JPG-1236835.JPG |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:13:03 AM EDT
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Umm why? They don’t like money? |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:17:04 AM EDT
[#45]
Sounds like it was a business decision...
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:18:02 AM EDT
[#46]
Be sure to pay your taxes. So the government can keep buying shit to spy on you with that you won't be allowed to own, yourself.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:22:56 AM EDT
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Yeah. Flir confirmed it on their FB page. There's a thread in the NV forum too. Flir OTS isn't even going to SHOT. ETA, beat by the poster above me - we don’t need civilian sales to stay in the green so: FUCK CIVILIANS. In contrast, companies like Barrett and Hornady have said: FUCK TYRANY! And will back we, the people, 100%. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:25:17 AM EDT
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When you bite the hand that feeds you. The big hand does not like that little hand having the same capabilities as they do. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:28:45 AM EDT
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I bet activist investors took another scalp. https://fintel.io/so/us/flir Largest investor: Vanguard https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2018/05/07/vanguard-invest-guns-opioids-hogg-parkland.html Second largest: BlackRock https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/newsroom/press-releases/article/corporate-one/press-releases/blackrock-approach-to-companies-manufacturing-distributing-firearms https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/02/blackrock-says-its-time-to-take-action-on-guns-may-use-voting-power-to-influence.html |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:30:15 AM EDT
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While FLIR's most expensive thermal scopes over $15,000 (T75) are still the state of the art, FLIR's commercial product line has been degrading since they bought out Armasight and added their junk to their products and put the FLIR brand on them. Trijicon bought out IR Defense and sells their thermal scopes under the Trijicon brand. Another decent brand is L3.
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