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Posted: 12/30/2021 2:34:48 PM EDT
[#1]
Not a Glock owner, I've no clue how their internals work.
How is it that just a back plate makes all the difference? Does it fix the striker forward, making it basically into an open bolt setup or what? |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 2:39:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the wish.com ones were seized in their package or recovered by law enforcement. We’re starting to see more and more of the 3D printed switches. Good. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 2:40:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My bro in law sent me pics of the full auto Glock they confiscated in STL. The crazy thing is the dude brought it to an indoor range like no big deal. He did not surprise me with it for Christmas.  Based & FATF-pilled 
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Posted: 12/30/2021 2:53:45 PM EDT
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I believe it moves the trigger bar down, tripping the sear.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 2:59:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about a basement? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This would be perfect for a gunfight in an elevator (or phone booth). What about a basement? Everyone knows you don't wanna git in a gunfight in a got-dayum basement. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:01:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I started to say how useless that would be, but realized it would be perfect for drive-by shootings. Did you see that Puerto Rico drive by shooting a couple weeks ago on here. Few of them had full auto Glocks  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:02:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:03:17 PM EDT
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He'll, I've seen a YouTube short/TikTok video of a dude will a full auto Glock. Dude has his Instagram handle on there for those interested in buying one.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:04:56 PM EDT
[#9]
are these selectable or just bullet hoses only?
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:09:00 PM EDT
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so... not ALL of those wish back plates get caught by customs eh?...
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:09:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/butWhy-734.gif I figure that, shooting like they usually do, *maybe* the first round lands somewhere in the general vicinity of the target, and the rest go up in the air and randomly impact wherever gravity and the gods take them? Cause shooting full auto is fun. And I'd bet it's a convenience to use it when doing crimes. Get as much rounds on target as fast as possible. Some criminals really do train with their guns and can control recoil pretty well. The Puerto Rican drive by showed that. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:11:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I started to say how useless that would be, but realized it would be perfect for drive-by shootings. I had a chance to shoot a G17 with a backplate conversion (legally manufactured by an FFL/SOT). Even without a buttstock, it was surprisingly controllable. If I could legally (easily legally) manufacture one, I would. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: are these selectable or just bullet hoses only? The one pictured in the OP is selectable, there are some 3D printed ones that are in party mode only. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:22:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This would be perfect for a gunfight in an elevator (or phone booth). What about a portajohn? |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:22:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I started to say how useless that would be, but realized it would be perfect for drive-by shootings. Cant find a video that do ant make you sign in: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttxOfz4ShA8 |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:33:27 PM EDT
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How did they figure this out? I've never seen one. Are they recognizable at a glance?
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:35:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I kind of want to get a couple of those wish.com plates, cut the internals off them (so they'll never be able to do full auto), slap them on, and go be a derp at a gun range in front of someone cop-like. See if they will try to make a fuss over something that's completely cosmetic. But I wouldn't put it past local government dipshits to not get that it can't ever do full auto, and I value my anal virginity. Well you would still go to jail, as I think they defined as a machine gun all by themselves. Unless you cut them with a torch removing 2 ( or was it 3 ) 1/4 wide sections to demil it. At that point it would be a puddle of metal. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would mean all gun charges Filling out a 4473 would do the same Can you post a link to the case law? Thats why the question of are you prohibited is on the 4473, if you answer no and are, its a perjury charge. Because you wont get approved as a felon, so no possession charge, just the perjury. @Justcause |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about a basement? I forget about those things y'all call basements. Don't have many in FL. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:40:26 PM EDT
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Federal court precedent is that felons are exempted from the NFA laws due to fifth amendment grounds. Why the hell wouldn't you convert it if you're already a felon in possession? There is no legal downside.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:40:26 PM EDT
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edit: Sorry for the double post. Think my mouse is dead.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:43:20 PM EDT
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Two converted Glocks were recovered in N. AL a few months back.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:44:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/butWhy-734.gif I figure that, shooting like they usually do, *maybe* the first round lands somewhere in the general vicinity of the target, and the rest go up in the air and randomly impact wherever gravity and the gods take them? Hold it sideways homie gangster style and instead of walking above the target, it sweeps across the target area. Still not aimed fire, but also not a completely stupid way of laying down covering fire. When shooting minute of bungalow from 10 -20 yds it'll be effective enough in a drive by. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did they figure this out? I've never seen one. Are they recognizable at a glance? @AlexAdams43 Its obvious compared to a Glock that is not equipped with one. Ive never seen one in person, but tons of vids on the net of them being used in shootings in ghettos. I seriously doubt .gov intercepted more than 20% of the ones imported from China based on how common they seem to be. I suspect the number of them out in the wild and not picked up in traffic stops or being caught on film used in a shooting is huge when they're advertised on Instagram/tik tok by US sellers.  https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2018/11/06/80-drop-in-auto-glock-selector-switch/ 
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:53:16 PM EDT
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Based.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 3:55:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are a convicted felon rolling dirty why not throw a wish switch on your Glock? It's not even an extra charge most places since you already are going to be going for felon in possession if they find it. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @AlexAdams43 Its obvious compared to a Glock that is not equipped with one. Ive never seen one in person, but tons of vids on the net of them being used in shootings in ghettos. I seriously doubt .gov intercepted more than 20% of the ones imported from China based on how common they seem to be. I suspect the number of them out in the wild and not picked up in traffic stops or being caught on film used in a shooting is huge when they're advertised on Instagram/tik tok by US sellers. https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2018/11/06/80-drop-in-auto-glock-selector-switch/ https://img.joomcdn.net/7fb660b61a53f58fc5504c9a4028edea52b9f377_original.jpeg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How did they figure this out? I've never seen one. Are they recognizable at a glance? @AlexAdams43 Its obvious compared to a Glock that is not equipped with one. Ive never seen one in person, but tons of vids on the net of them being used in shootings in ghettos. I seriously doubt .gov intercepted more than 20% of the ones imported from China based on how common they seem to be. I suspect the number of them out in the wild and not picked up in traffic stops or being caught on film used in a shooting is huge when they're advertised on Instagram/tik tok by US sellers. https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2018/11/06/80-drop-in-auto-glock-selector-switch/ https://img.joomcdn.net/7fb660b61a53f58fc5504c9a4028edea52b9f377_original.jpeg Thanks. That's about as obvious as it gets. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:04:43 PM EDT
[#28]
I want to see the news at 11 on the gun rights attorney who is right in saying we should all be able to have full auto.....
off to search..... |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:16:22 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Federal court precedent is that felons are exempted from the NFA laws due to fifth amendment grounds. Why the hell wouldn't you convert it if you're already a felon in possession? There is no legal downside. In which circuit? I don't think that's been true since 1968. Do you have any evidence of this being in effect after 1968? If that were true, any of the disqualifying reasons would work... Someone could just claim they were an unlawful user of, or addicted to, an illegal drug and they'd likewise be protected from an NFA violation. This would be very convenient, since without the drug(s) as evidence, there'd be nothing to charge them with. These federal jury instructions do not mention anything about that: https://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/sites/ca3/files/Chap%206%20Unregistered%20Firearm%20Aug%2008.pdf |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they have an inbound FedEx package?  
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:18:50 PM EDT
[#31]
https://wlos.com/news/local/man-in-possession-illegal-fully-automatic-handgun-narcotics-arrested-asheville-police-motel-smokey-park-highway-andre-marshall-logan-jr
Guaranteed crates of these made it into the right hands. This is not a coincidence. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:20:02 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I kind of want to get a couple of those wish.com plates, cut the internals off them (so they'll never be able to do full auto), slap them on, and go be a derp at a gun range in front of someone cop-like. See if they will try to make a fuss over something that's completely cosmetic. But I wouldn't put it past local government dipshits to not get that it can't ever do full auto, and I value my anal virginity. Once a machinegun, always a machinegun. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:20:35 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That dirt bag in Houston used one pretty effectively on the police. Cant find a video that do ant make you sign in: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttxOfz4ShA8 its here https://www.khou.com/video/news/crime/bodycam-of-two-hpd-officers-shot-with-gun-rigged-with-auto-switch/285-c15f7772-1217-476d-8918-01fd3669b44f |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:23:45 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That dirt bag in Houston used one pretty effectively on the police. Cant find a video that do ant make you sign in: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttxOfz4ShA8 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I started to say how useless that would be, but realized it would be perfect for drive-by shootings. Cant find a video that do ant make you sign in: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ttxOfz4ShA8 Damn |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:24:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/12/29/fdle-glock-recovered-in-traffic-stop-had-been-converted-into-fully-automatic-handgun/ Investigators with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement have revealed that a Glock handgun that had been converted into a fully-automatic weapon was among several items recovered by deputies during a traffic stop in Flagler County. According to Flagler County deputies, Benjamin Bowie, 23, was wanted on a warrant out of Georgia for grand theft auto at the time of his arrest in November. When the arresting deputy searched his vehicle, investigators said, they found marijuana along with multiple firearms, magazines and face masks. Records show he was arrested on a felony firearm charge and other misdemeanor charges, but now faces an additional charge of possession of a short barreled firearm. The guns were sent to the FDLE crime lab, where investigators said they determined one of the guns -- a Glock 17 -- was converted into a fully-automatic handgun. ETA: Found the video on YouTube  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gv_nKvxWGUIn a just world, those would be given out for free with every new Glock. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:27:29 PM EDT
[#36]
The ones they sold at the tactical shops on the afghan bases did not have a switch. They were just a piece of metal sticking out what what looked like a pretty standard back plate. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference until you actually took it apart
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:27:54 PM EDT
[#37]
We started seeing more of these conversions a few years back. It used to be rare to get a converted full auto firearm, but that has changed in my area. Now we are seeing the Chinese auto sears, 3D printed ones, and the modified cover plate conversions. Not fun when they come in on a subcompact 40 or 357 sig Glock.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:28:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:42:16 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did they figure this out? I've never seen one. Are they recognizable at a glance? @AlexAdams43 It’s not hard. It literally hangs off the back of the slide and replaces and back plate.  ETA: Beat with the explanation |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:44:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @et_slowpoke In which circuit? I don't think that's been true since 1968. Do you have any evidence of this being in effect after 1968? If that were true, any of the disqualifying reasons would work... Someone could just claim they were an unlawful user of, or addicted to, an illegal drug and they'd likewise be protected from an NFA violation. This would be very convenient, since without the drug(s) as evidence, there'd be nothing to charge them with. These federal jury instructions do not mention anything about that: https://www.ca3.uscourts.gov/sites/ca3/files/Chap%206%20Unregistered%20Firearm%20Aug%2008.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States The law exempts them from the registration requirement and penalties. They still are felons in possession of a firearm. They're not walking scott free but no worse off than just a semi auto. The registration requirements are only for non-felons. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States That's the case which made them change the law. It led to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968 Such a defense is not possible anymore. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:50:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the wish.com ones were seized in their package or recovered by law enforcement. We’re starting to see more and more of the 3D printed switches. "Most"? I'd bet not. They were being ordered in massive amounts before the aft even realized they were a thing. Even out here in the rural Midwest they're still a thing among some people. The 3d printed stuff and the various jigs have essentially wiped any NFA enforcement out, short of a red handed collar. They'll never get the toothpaste back in the tube. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right... That's the case which made them change the law. It led to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968 Such a defense is not possible anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States That's the case which made them change the law. It led to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968 Such a defense is not possible anymore.  The National Firearms Act was amended after Haynes to make it apply only to those who could lawfully possess a firearm. This eliminated prosecution of prohibited persons, such as criminals, and cured the self-incrimination problem. The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so an ar pistol is now an sbr? unless the lower was built as a rifle, how would they make this definition? |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:56:37 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I started to say how useless that would be, but realized it would be perfect for drive-by shootings. Ask those cops that got blasted by one standing in a doorway how useless they are. I'm sure someone knows the video I'm talking about. |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:58:24 PM EDT
[#46]
Criminals have them and killed a HPD officer with one in the past year
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:59:25 PM EDT
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I just looked up the information. He is charged with Possession of a Machine Gun, F2. The "journalist" looked at the docket which says "POSS OF SHORT BARRELLED SHOTGUN OR MACHINE GUN (790.221)." Strong work. As always.
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Posted: 12/30/2021 4:59:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Right... That's the case which made them change the law. It led to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968 Such a defense is not possible anymore. I am Not a Lawyer, and nothing I ever post is legal advice: Defense against the charge of unregistered NFA (26 USC 5871) , not defense against GCA (violation of 18 USC 922(g) or 922(o)). |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 5:03:25 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am Not a Lawyer, and nothing I ever post is legal advice: Defense against the charge of unregistered NFA (26 USC 5871) , not defense against GCA (violation of 18 USC 922(g) or 922(o)). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Right... That's the case which made them change the law. It led to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968 Such a defense is not possible anymore. I am Not a Lawyer, and nothing I ever post is legal advice: Defense against the charge of unregistered NFA (26 USC 5871) , not defense against GCA (violation of 18 USC 922(g) or 922(o)). |
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Posted: 12/30/2021 5:11:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Case law even says felons can't be charged(or convicted?) with NFA violations because making them fill out NFA paperwork violates their 5th amendment rights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you are a convicted felon rolling dirty why not throw a wish switch on your Glock? It's not even an extra charge most places since you already are going to be going for felon in possession if they find it. Case law even says felons can't be charged(or convicted?) with NFA violations because making them fill out NFA paperwork violates their 5th amendment rights. Citation? Interested in reading |
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