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Posted: 6/21/2018 4:05:55 PM EDT
What does your dept run? Most in my area run either a 48/96 or the traditional 24/48. I’m testing out for dept this week that runs the 24 9 day rotation. So 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 96off. Not too familiar with it. I will be commuting 1hr 30mins away.
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Former department was 24/48 with a kelly day every 9th shift (Work 8 days get 1 day off). Current department is 24/48 with a kelly day every 3rd month. I've heard great stuff about 48/96, but I've never worked it.
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Everyone around here is 24/48 I like it, but I’ve never worked anything else.
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24/48 with a true KD (every 3 weeks). It’s not bad, but we do KD by department seniority. But with 1500 firefighters and 33 stations that creates a lot of manpower issues (temporary transfers).
I’d like to see us go to 24/72. We could probably do it without adding a bunch of folks, it would eliminate a lot of TTs, and it would be easier to get a full weekend off. My wife works a normal 9-5 job, so right now taking a full weekend to do a trip requires a trade or vacation. |
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24/48 with a true KD (every 3 weeks). It’s not bad, but we do KD by department seniority. But with 1500 firefighters and 33 stations that creates a lot of manpower issues (temporary transfers). I’d like to see us go to 24/72. We could probably do it without adding a bunch of folks, it would eliminate a lot of TTs, and it would be easier to get a full weekend off. My wife works a normal 9-5 job, so right now taking a full weekend to do a trip requires a trade or vacation. View Quote |
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We do the traditional 24/48, talk of getting a Kelly day next contract which would be awesome.
A not so awesome idea that was discussed was going to ‘backward 24’s’, ie coming in at 6 or 7pm until the next night. I used to do this two or three shifts a month when I worked part time at a FD and full time EMS and it sucked for home life, hoping that dies in the water. |
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I only ever worked 24/48 and liked it. Gave me plenty of time off.
Had one friend who worked 48/96 and a couple of federal FF friends who did the 24/24 with kelly days. Only the 24/24 guys didn't like their schedule. |
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I only ever worked 24/48 and liked it. Gave me plenty of time off. Had one friend who worked 48/96 and a couple of federal FF friends who did the 24/24 with kelly days. Only the 24/24 guys didn't like their schedule. View Quote |
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I went from 48/96 to 24/48.
I fucking loved my 48/96. Guys who haven’t done it at my new place can’t understand it. I’ve been pushing for it. Basically gotta get admin to understand that on a 48/96, you get the required work done on day one. No busy work for the sake of busy work. Get all required tasks done on day one and then it’s free time unless there’s a call. |
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What does your dept run? Most in my area run either a 48/96 or the traditional 24/48. I’m testing out for dept this week that runs the 24 9 day rotation. So 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 96off. Not too familiar with it. I will be commuting 1hr 30mins away. View Quote |
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24/48, Kelly day falls on the same day of the week always (48 hour work-week).
I am only aware of 1 full-time FD in the area that does anything different than 24/48, but most have longer work-weeks. |
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Modified Detroit when hired, 24on, 24off, 24on 24off, 24on 96off, 6 Kelly days a year that went up to 12 a year. Fucking hated it, by the end of the tour I was exhausted, that is back when I was young even.
Then we went 48/96 and we could stack our Kelly days together, and vacation days together, I loved it, I had 16 10 day breaks a year. Then Admin said 4-platoon, 24on 48 off, 24on 96 off, 18 fucking debit days, I hate this schedule almost as much as the modified Detroit, glad I retire soon. |
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Modified Detroit when hired, 24on, 24off, 24on 24off, 24on 96off, 6 Kelly days a year that went up to 12 a year. Fucking hated it, by the end of the tour I was exhausted, that is back when I was young even. Then we went 48/96 and we could stack our Kelly days together, and vacation days together, I loved it, I had 16 10 day breaks a year. Then Admin said 4-platoon, 24on 48 off, 24on 96 off, 18 fucking debit days, I hate this schedule almost as much as the modified Detroit, glad I retire soon. View Quote |
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Worked for 29 yrs on the 3 on, 4 off. I liked it, a lot. But it was also what I was used to.
My last yr we switched to the 48/96. I hated it for a multitude of reasons. I worked in a busy house and 48 hrs made the first day off useless. Like every dept we also had slow houses. These lazy shits would sleep in every second shift. Like clockwork they acted like petulant children on summer break. It annoyed the shit out of me. The biggest issue I had was it did nothing for improving service to the tax payers it was purely driven by self interest. Not how I was raised in the Fire Dept. Yeah everyone seems to be moving to the 48/96 but I for one hated it. |
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2-9 hour day tours then 48 hours off. 2-15 hour night tours followed by 72 hours off.
24s are possible if you have a mutual partner to line up with. |
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24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 96 off. There were a couple votes for 49-96 but the union and management were against it. The union pushed hard against it and it never passed. I would have loved to try it. A neighboring department did it and would break the schedule if the 48 fell on Christmas Eve and Day. They all loved it.
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2-9 hour day tours then 48 hours off. 2-15 hour night tours followed by 72 hours off. 24s are possible if you have a mutual partner to line up with. View Quote |
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Quoted: I worked 10 and 12 hr rotations for awhile. Depending on the station I was assigned to the 12's could be done overnight which were pretty good. Over all the shorter shifts sucked especially if you had to commute from a ways out. View Quote it does allow an extreme amount of flexibility in the schedule between guys and swapping shifts. Was always told "never give up the chart". |
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Quoted: There's a EMS agency near here that does a 24/72. It seems pretty well received. Another fire dept out East of Houston does 48/144. I would love to have that schedule but as of this year they went to FF/Paramedic only. Houston fire does the 9 day 4shift rotation with a debit day. View Quote |
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My current shift. Not sure if anyone else does this. I work the blue days . Supposedly. custom shift. when you see the half day thats a 36. So they alternate 36/ or 24. I really like it. We are not very busy. 1k calls a year. I came from an ems 2/2/3 or 24/48 and I was running 1200 calls by myself a year . Much better now |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/264B9E67-DC8E-4C2C-9E6A-42441CD0DE60-590691.JPG My current shift. Not sure if anyone else does this. I work the blue days . Supposedly. custom shift. when you see the half day thats a 36. So they alternate 36/ or 24. I really like it. We are not very busy. 1k calls a year. I came from an ems 2/2/3 or 24/48 and I was running 1200 calls by myself a year . Much better now View Quote |
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We do 4 on 4 off. Two twelve hour days followed by two twelve hour nights. Followed by four days off!
The PFD created a fourth platoon (the D) in 1975 creating the four on four off work schedule. |
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I hated my first schedule. It was 2 night shifts, 1 day off, 2 days shifts, 3 days off. PITA scheduling wise. Then we switched to 24/72’s and haven’t looked back.
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Some of y’all do some really funky shift schedules! I’d never be able to keep track, nor would my wife. She struggles enough with 24/48 as is. I recently switched units and KD’s and it blew her mind.
I don’t think anyone around here does anything different than 24/48. |
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Some of y’all do some really funky shift schedules! I’d never be able to keep track, nor would my wife. She struggles enough with 24/48 as is. I recently switched units and KD’s and it blew her mind. I don’t think anyone around here does anything different than 24/48. View Quote |
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I ran this exact schedule for a department outside of Houston (24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 96 off). We had one platoon day a month so we only worked 9 shifts a month. It wore my ass out for commuting (about 1 hour, 20 minutes) and we made relief at 6am so I left home at 3:55 am. The problem I had was waking up and running calls in the am and then realizing that you had to be back at work the next day. Felt like you were never off for 5 days. The 4 days off is really nice but I prefer 48/96 or 24/48
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1977 -2 days- off- 2 nights- 3 off- they stacked the 10 day and 14 night to make 24/72 since 1980-- Not uncommon in the northeast
Out 7 yrs now |
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Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday, Friday, Sunday, Wednesday. Repeat. 3 of the 4 major departments in my area do it, mine included.
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48/96....love it. Fuck anything else. View Quote Department I'll be starting with at the end of the month is 24/48. I don't believe they do Kelly Days either. Hell I don't even know if the topped out base pay they told us includes the OT or not(at 75k a year I'm assuming it does). |
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I wish. Department I'll be starting with at the end of the month is 24/48. I don't believe they do Kelly Days either. Hell I don't even know if the topped out base pay they told us includes the OT or not(at 75k a year I'm assuming it does). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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48/96....love it. Fuck anything else. Department I'll be starting with at the end of the month is 24/48. I don't believe they do Kelly Days either. Hell I don't even know if the topped out base pay they told us includes the OT or not(at 75k a year I'm assuming it does). |
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My work schedule. Everywhere you see red, I'm working. Back to day work tomorrow. We have off weekends every other month. |
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When I was a Fed FF we ran port/starboard, or Black & Red.
So your cycle started on either a Sunday or Monday then you worked every other day like this: Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. We got K's every 7, so once a quarter our Friday K would meet our Sunday K (or Saturday met Monday) and we got a "5 day". Then I moved to the City and got a 5 day once a month. We used to be 24/48 K9, but switched to 24/48 K10 as part of negotiations. I'm not sure what we "won" by agreeing. |
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The department I retired from did 24 on, 24 off, for five shifts then you got six days off.
So, you might work Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, six days off. Then come back Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, six days off. Rinse and repeat. I liked it................when I was young. You could take five shifts off for vacation and be off for 21 days. But, as I got older, it got to the point that when I was off, I was totally exhausted and didn't do anything: and you had to be careful about sleeping because you had to get up the next morning to go to work. So if you came home from work after being up all night and went to bed; you might not be able to get to sleep that night to go back to work the next morning. We had a department next to ours that went to a 72 hour shift and then they got a bunch of time off. I don't remember exactly how it worked, but it was something like you worked a 72. Then you got 9 days off or something like that. So every time you went to work it was your first shift back and also your last shift. I kind of liked the idea of it. We were very busy departments and working 72 hours would have been tough. But, you could realistically live anywhere you wanted to, fly into town and work your 72 and then leave. I would still be working if we had gone to that shift. From what I understand, the Captains and the department were much more leinient about taking naps (on my department you wern't allowed to sleep until 1900 and you wern't allowed to have the TV on until 1500). |
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48/96 has been well received here by the slower departments. Guys busting out an average of 15 calls a shift threatened murder when discussions came up.
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The department I retired from did 24 on, 24 off, for five shifts then you got six days off. So, you might work Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday, Tuesday, six days off. Then come back Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, six days off. Rinse and repeat. I liked it................when I was young. You could take five shifts off for vacation and be off for 21 days. But, as I got older, it got to the point that when I was off, I was totally exhausted and didn't do anything: and you had to be careful about sleeping because you had to get up the next morning to go to work. So if you came home from work after being up all night and went to bed; you might not be able to get to sleep that night to go back to work the next morning. We had a department next to ours that went to a 72 hour shift and then they got a bunch of time off. I don't remember exactly how it worked, but it was something like you worked a 72. Then you got 9 days off or something like that. So every time you went to work it was your first shift back and also your last shift. I kind of liked the idea of it. We were very busy departments and working 72 hours would have been tough. But, you could realistically live anywhere you wanted to, fly into town and work your 72 and then leave. I would still be working if we had gone to that shift. From what I understand, the Captains and the department were much more leinient about taking naps (on my department you wern't allowed to sleep until 1900 and you wern't allowed to have the TV on until 1500). View Quote |
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I like the 72. 24/48 Has been shown to possibly cause brain damage and psychological issues in EMS and I was very happy to go to 12 Hr 2,2,3. I really like my shift posted above having worked a bunch of shifts View Quote But working 3 days straight is better? Or was it not evaluated? |
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Quoted: But working 3 days straight is better? Or was it not evaluated? View Quote That being said, it has it's advantages. As a retired firefighter looking back on my career, there is no question what-so-ever in my mind, that working even 24 hour shifts causes physical and mental problems. Working even 24 hour shifts in places where you are running 15+ calls a shift and you get very little if any down time in that 24 hours definitely causes you physical and mental problems. I don't know, but I am pretty sure that 24 hour shifts were originally conceived some place where you ran a couple of calls a shift in some small town or rural area (before it became common to call 911 for every little thing) and it worked out fine. In today's world, I am sure it is not a good thing. The schedule we worked was really really nice in the fact that a couple times a month you got six days off in a row. But as I got older, that became far less attractive to me because the price of that was that I was a zombie most of the time other than when I was in that middle of that six days off. Despite all that: the shifts I hated the most were 12 hour shifts which I worked at a private ambulance company before I got on the fire department. We worked 12 hour shifts, four in a row. And I found that if I was being responsible (rare) I didn't do anything other than work on the days I was on duty. Between getting up and getting ready for work, the drive to and from work..........there was very little time left in the day. And if I decided I was going to do something anyway, I paid for it the next day. But, I was young and dumb and so I was paying most days |
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I like the 72. 24/48 Has been shown to possibly cause brain damage and psychological issues in EMS and I was very happy to go to 12 Hr 2,2,3. I really like my shift posted above having worked a bunch of shifts On the 24/48 you really don’t get the time you need to “decompress”. Had an all nighter? That first day off is a waste then and the second day is just preparing for the next shift. |
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I am sure it is no better for you and probably worse. That being said, it has it's advantages. As a retired firefighter looking back on my career, there is no question what-so-ever in my mind, that working even 24 hour shifts causes physical and mental problems. Working even 24 hour shifts in places where you are running 15+ calls a shift and you get very little if any down time in that 24 hours definitely causes you physical and mental problems. I don't know, but I am pretty sure that 24 hour shifts were originally conceived some place where you ran a couple of calls a shift in some small town or rural area (before it became common to call 911 for every little thing) and it worked out fine. In today's world, I am sure it is not a good thing. The schedule we worked was really really nice in the fact that a couple times a month you got six days off in a row. But as I got older, that became far less attractive to me because the price of that was that I was a zombie most of the time other than when I was in that middle of that six days off. Despite all that: the shifts I hated the most were 12 hour shifts which I worked at a private ambulance company before I got on the fire department. We worked 12 hour shifts, four in a row. And I found that if I was being responsible (rare) I didn't do anything other than work on the days I was on duty. Between getting up and getting ready for work, the drive to and from work..........there was very little time left in the day. And if I decided I was going to do something anyway, I paid for it the next day. But, I was young and dumb and so I was paying most days View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: But working 3 days straight is better? Or was it not evaluated? That being said, it has it's advantages. As a retired firefighter looking back on my career, there is no question what-so-ever in my mind, that working even 24 hour shifts causes physical and mental problems. Working even 24 hour shifts in places where you are running 15+ calls a shift and you get very little if any down time in that 24 hours definitely causes you physical and mental problems. I don't know, but I am pretty sure that 24 hour shifts were originally conceived some place where you ran a couple of calls a shift in some small town or rural area (before it became common to call 911 for every little thing) and it worked out fine. In today's world, I am sure it is not a good thing. The schedule we worked was really really nice in the fact that a couple times a month you got six days off in a row. But as I got older, that became far less attractive to me because the price of that was that I was a zombie most of the time other than when I was in that middle of that six days off. Despite all that: the shifts I hated the most were 12 hour shifts which I worked at a private ambulance company before I got on the fire department. We worked 12 hour shifts, four in a row. And I found that if I was being responsible (rare) I didn't do anything other than work on the days I was on duty. Between getting up and getting ready for work, the drive to and from work..........there was very little time left in the day. And if I decided I was going to do something anyway, I paid for it the next day. But, I was young and dumb and so I was paying most days I did 12 hour shifts on an ambulance once upon a time and know exactly what you mean. Compounded by always managing to get a transfer to Saint Farthest an hour and a half away on hour eleven. Coming into work half asleep and hung over was the norm for everyone. Of course the problem was no ambulance service ever paid enough to put people on a 8 hour day five days per week. Everyone of us worked somewhere else to make ends meet except for the married women who’s husbands made decent money. Today I’d take a job stocking shelves at Walmart before I’d consider working on an ambulance again. |
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48/96 has been well received here by the slower departments. Guys busting out an average of 15 calls a shift threatened murder when discussions came up. View Quote We had a guy work a 48 in one of our busier houses recently that ran 53 calls iN that 48hrs. Hope that extra time off was worth it |
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Quoted: 15 a shift for 24? We had a guy work a 48 in one of our busier houses recently that ran 53 calls iN that 48hrs. Hope that extra time off was worth it View Quote |
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Quoted: I'm in the interview stage right now for a 48/96 spot. From what i am told i can expect 3-5 calls per that 48 depending on apparatus assignment. View Quote Good luck to you man |
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We work a modified 24/72. We have a scheduled OT day every 24th day.
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We work a modified 24/72. We have a scheduled OT day every 24th day.
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Quoted: There must be a sweet spot with a 48/96 schedule, I hate being away from home that long so I hope we never go to it, but only running 3-5 calls over 2 days would drive me absolutely crazy! Good luck to you man View Quote |
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Quoted: Thanks. We shall see. It will my first FT FD job if i get it. My first assignment will be riding/driving the box till the end of probation. Only thing i'm really not wild on is combined sleeping quarters. I worked PT at another dept and everyone there had their own room. For the call volume it fluctuates but 3-5 is normal. idk if they do interfaclity transfers or not View Quote Sometimes you end up with too much time on your hands and beef with another shift. |
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We do 3 10 hr days 3 days off 3 14 hr nights 3 days off then back to days. Hopefully we will go to 24/72 in a couple years. the 3 on 3 off isn't bad though.
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I'm an officer now so I have my own quarters but Gen Pop. was a lot of fun.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/222608/IMG_20121104_084128-637739.JPG Sometimes you end up with too much time on your hands and beef with another shift. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Thanks. We shall see. It will my first FT FD job if i get it. My first assignment will be riding/driving the box till the end of probation. Only thing i'm really not wild on is combined sleeping quarters. I worked PT at another dept and everyone there had their own room. For the call volume it fluctuates but 3-5 is normal. idk if they do interfaclity transfers or not Sometimes you end up with too much time on your hands and beef with another shift. One prank we played was to stick beef bullion cubes in the shower heads before shift change so you were basically taking a shower in brown gravy. We used to give shift captains their own quarters but the last station remodel they turned the bunk room and captain’s quarters into four small rooms big enough for a twin bed and a nightstand. When I got my promotion to captain I had less to lord over the little people. I however spent my time in Soddom and Gomorah bunking with two other guys listening to their snoring and smelling their farts. I usually just slept in the recliner. |
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