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6/25/2018 7:04:05 PM
Posted: 6/21/2018 4:05:55 PM EDT
What does your dept run? Most in my area run either a 48/96 or the traditional 24/48. I’m testing out for dept this week that runs the 24 9 day rotation. So 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 96off. Not too familiar with it. I will be commuting 1hr 30mins away.
Link Posted: 6/21/2018 6:35:09 PM EDT
Former department was 24/48 with a kelly day every 9th shift (Work 8 days get 1 day off). Current department is 24/48 with a kelly day every 3rd month. I've heard great stuff about 48/96, but I've never worked it.
Link Posted: 6/21/2018 6:41:01 PM EDT
Everyone around here is 24/48 I like it, but I’ve never worked anything else.
Link Posted: 6/21/2018 6:41:45 PM EDT
24/48 with a true KD (every 3 weeks). It’s not bad, but we do KD by department seniority. But with 1500 firefighters and 33 stations that creates a lot of manpower issues (temporary transfers).

I’d like to see us go to 24/72. We could probably do it without adding a bunch of folks, it would eliminate a lot of TTs, and it would be easier to get a full weekend off. My wife works a normal 9-5 job, so right now taking a full weekend to do a trip requires a trade or vacation.
Link Posted: 6/21/2018 7:08:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
24/48 with a true KD (every 3 weeks). It’s not bad, but we do KD by department seniority. But with 1500 firefighters and 33 stations that creates a lot of manpower issues (temporary transfers).

I’d like to see us go to 24/72. We could probably do it without adding a bunch of folks, it would eliminate a lot of TTs, and it would be easier to get a full weekend off. My wife works a normal 9-5 job, so right now taking a full weekend to do a trip requires a trade or vacation.
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There's a EMS agency near here that does a 24/72. It seems pretty well received. Another fire dept out East of Houston does 48/144. I would love to have that schedule but as of this year they went to FF/Paramedic only. Houston fire does the 9 day 4shift rotation with a debit day.
Link Posted: 6/21/2018 7:21:09 PM EDT
We do the traditional 24/48, talk of getting a Kelly day next contract which would be awesome.

A not so awesome idea that was discussed was going to ‘backward 24’s’, ie coming in at 6 or 7pm until the next night. I used to do this two or three shifts a month when I worked part time at a FD and full time EMS and it sucked for home life, hoping that dies in the water.
Link Posted: 6/21/2018 7:46:22 PM EDT
I only ever worked 24/48 and liked it. Gave me plenty of time off.

Had one friend who worked 48/96 and a couple of federal FF friends who did the 24/24 with kelly days. Only the 24/24 guys didn't like their schedule.
Link Posted: 6/21/2018 7:59:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brakeman123:
I only ever worked 24/48 and liked it. Gave me plenty of time off.

Had one friend who worked 48/96 and a couple of federal FF friends who did the 24/24 with kelly days. Only the 24/24 guys didn't like their schedule.
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Honestly with my commute i'm really not that keen on doing the 24/24. I have to leave the house at 4am to make it on time. But it's a decent paying small dept.
Link Posted: 6/21/2018 9:34:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/22/2018 11:59:32 AM EDT
I went from 48/96 to 24/48.

I fucking loved my 48/96. Guys who haven’t done it at my new place can’t understand it. I’ve been pushing for it.

Basically gotta get admin to understand that on a 48/96, you get the required work done on day one. No busy work for the sake of busy work. Get all required tasks done on day one and then it’s free time unless there’s a call.
Link Posted: 6/22/2018 1:11:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TexasSkywarn:
What does your dept run? Most in my area run either a 48/96 or the traditional 24/48. I’m testing out for dept this week that runs the 24 9 day rotation. So 24on 24off 24on 24off 24on 96off. Not too familiar with it. I will be commuting 1hr 30mins away.
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I liked the California, last shift you mentioned. Current place is on 48/96 and they like it. I have also worked the 24/48 Chicago. Never had Kelly days, but didn't miss them.
Link Posted: 6/22/2018 5:50:43 PM EDT
24/48, Kelly day falls on the same day of the week always (48 hour work-week).

I am only aware of 1 full-time FD in the area that does anything different than 24/48, but most have longer work-weeks.
Link Posted: 6/22/2018 8:12:13 PM EDT
Modified Detroit when hired, 24on, 24off, 24on 24off, 24on 96off, 6 Kelly days a year that went up to 12 a year. Fucking hated it, by the end of the tour I was exhausted, that is back when I was young even.

Then we went 48/96 and we could stack our Kelly days together, and vacation days together, I loved it, I had 16 10 day breaks a year.

Then Admin said 4-platoon, 24on 48 off, 24on 96 off, 18 fucking debit days, I hate this schedule almost as much as the modified Detroit, glad I retire soon.
Link Posted: 6/22/2018 11:36:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430:
Modified Detroit when hired, 24on, 24off, 24on 24off, 24on 96off, 6 Kelly days a year that went up to 12 a year. Fucking hated it, by the end of the tour I was exhausted, that is back when I was young even.

Then we went 48/96 and we could stack our Kelly days together, and vacation days together, I loved it, I had 16 10 day breaks a year.

Then Admin said 4-platoon, 24on 48 off, 24on 96 off, 18 fucking debit days, I hate this schedule almost as much as the modified Detroit, glad I retire soon.
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I took the test today. First question i asked was about changing shift schedules. No go. They are still sticking with what you call the modified Detroit schedule. Really sucks for me as i have a 160 mile round trip to contend with. Mostly back roads that i would be taking at 4am in the morning. At least for a month or two till i could afford to move. Right now i'm in the upper end of the hiring list with just the interviews to go. If it was a 48/96 it would be perfect.
Link Posted: 6/23/2018 11:54:44 AM EDT
Worked for 29 yrs on the 3 on, 4 off. I liked it, a lot. But it was also what I was used to.

My last yr we switched to the 48/96. I hated it for a multitude of reasons. I worked in a busy house and 48 hrs made the first day off useless. Like every dept we also had slow houses. These lazy shits would sleep in every second shift. Like clockwork they acted like petulant children on summer break. It annoyed the shit out of me.
The biggest issue I had was it did nothing for improving service to the tax payers it was purely driven by self interest. Not how I was raised in the Fire Dept.

Yeah everyone seems to be moving to the 48/96 but I for one hated it.
Link Posted: 6/23/2018 10:55:00 PM EDT
2-9 hour day tours then 48 hours off. 2-15 hour night tours followed by 72 hours off.

24s are possible if you have a mutual partner to line up with.
Link Posted: 6/23/2018 11:15:38 PM EDT
24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 48 off, 24 on, 96 off. There were a couple votes for 49-96 but the union and management were against it. The union pushed hard against it and it never passed. I would have loved to try it. A neighboring department did it and would break the schedule if the 48 fell on Christmas Eve and Day. They all loved it.
Link Posted: 6/23/2018 11:20:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fighter443:
2-9 hour day tours then 48 hours off. 2-15 hour night tours followed by 72 hours off.

24s are possible if you have a mutual partner to line up with.
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I worked 10 and 12 hr rotations for awhile. Depending on the station I was assigned to the 12’s could be done overnight which were pretty good. Over all the shorter shifts sucked especially if you had to commute from a ways out.
Link Posted: 6/24/2018 9:28:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TexasSkywarn:

I worked 10 and 12 hr rotations for awhile. Depending on the station I was assigned to the 12's could be done overnight which were pretty good. Over all the shorter shifts sucked especially if you had to commute from a ways out.
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Very true.

it does allow an extreme amount of flexibility in the schedule between guys and swapping shifts. Was always told "never give up the chart".
Link Posted: 6/24/2018 1:58:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/27/2018 12:15:42 PM EDT
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48/96....love it.

Fuck anything else.
Link Posted: 6/29/2018 12:41:35 AM EDT
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My current shift. Not sure
if anyone else does this. I work the blue days . Supposedly. custom shift. when you see the half day thats a 36. So they alternate 36/ or 24.
I really like it. We are not very busy. 1k calls a year. I came from an ems 2/2/3 or 24/48 and I was running 1200 calls by myself a year . Much better now
Link Posted: 6/29/2018 10:22:32 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/213498/264B9E67-DC8E-4C2C-9E6A-42441CD0DE60-590691.JPG My current shift. Not sure
if anyone else does this. I work the blue days . Supposedly. custom shift. when you see the half day thats a 36. So they alternate 36/ or 24.
I really like it. We are not very busy. 1k calls a year. I came from an ems 2/2/3 or 24/48 and I was running 1200 calls by myself a year . Much better now
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Well that's different. Haven't seen that setup before. Closest thing to that is Houston FD's 4 shift 24 rotation with debit days.
Link Posted: 7/1/2018 1:03:14 PM EDT
We do 4 on 4 off. Two twelve hour days followed by two twelve house nights. Followed by four days off!

The PFD created a fourth platoon (the D) in 1975 creating the four on four off work schedule.
Link Posted: 7/1/2018 5:51:01 PM EDT
I hated my first schedule. It was 2 night shifts, 1 day off, 2 days shifts, 3 days off. PITA scheduling wise. Then we switched to 24/72’s and haven’t looked back.
Link Posted: 7/1/2018 6:13:08 PM EDT
I work 24/48 w/a Monday Kelly, and I love my shift.
Link Posted: 7/1/2018 6:13:08 PM EDT
Some of y’all do some really funky shift schedules! I’d never be able to keep track, nor would my wife. She struggles enough with 24/48 as is. I recently switched units and KD’s and it blew her mind.

I don’t think anyone around here does anything different than 24/48.
Link Posted: 7/1/2018 11:18:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
Some of y’all do some really funky shift schedules! I’d never be able to keep track, nor would my wife. She struggles enough with 24/48 as is. I recently switched units and KD’s and it blew her mind.

I don’t think anyone around here does anything different than 24/48.
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There are some really weird shift schedules out there for sure. Even my old one was different. 12's but no more than 24hrs at any one station during the week (M-F). I was with an ESD that took over multiple departments. I hated driving the 1.5hrs at 4am just to get off 12hs later only to rinse and repeat.
Link Posted: 7/3/2018 7:32:18 AM EDT
I ran this exact schedule for a department outside of Houston (24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 24 off, 24 on, 96 off). We had one platoon day a month so we only worked 9 shifts a month. It wore my ass out for commuting (about 1 hour, 20 minutes) and we made relief at 6am so I left home at 3:55 am. The problem I had was waking up and running calls in the am and then realizing that you had to be back at work the next day. Felt like you were never off for 5 days. The 4 days off is really nice but I prefer 48/96 or 24/48
Link Posted: 7/12/2018 1:34:07 PM EDT
1977 -2 days- off- 2 nights- 3 off- they stacked the 10 day and 14 night to make 24/72 since 1980-- Not uncommon in the northeast
Out 7 yrs now
Link Posted: 7/12/2018 10:12:12 PM EDT
Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Monday, Friday, Sunday, Wednesday. Repeat. 3 of the 4 major departments in my area do it, mine included.
Link Posted: 7/16/2018 3:27:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
48/96....love it.

Fuck anything else.
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I wish.

Department I'll be starting with at the end of the month is 24/48.

I don't believe they do Kelly Days either. Hell I don't even know if the topped out base pay they told us includes the OT or not(at 75k a year I'm assuming it does).
Link Posted: 7/16/2018 5:10:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Towely:
I wish.

Department I'll be starting with at the end of the month is 24/48.

I don't believe they do Kelly Days either. Hell I don't even know if the topped out base pay they told us includes the OT or not(at 75k a year I'm assuming it does).
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
48/96....love it.

Fuck anything else.
I wish.

Department I'll be starting with at the end of the month is 24/48.

I don't believe they do Kelly Days either. Hell I don't even know if the topped out base pay they told us includes the OT or not(at 75k a year I'm assuming it does).
The bad thing with the 24/48 is that on your first day off you may be totally wiped depending on the shift you had. If you were out all night on a run/runs you'll spend most of that day sleeping. The second day you're preparing for the next shift so no late nights or whatever. Of course if you're in a busy house you wouldn't want a 48 hour shift either but for medium size/run volume departments like mine they work out fantastically. We can knock out two days of station duties by noon on day one and basically do nothing the second day other than run calls.
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