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I love your projects, Guns!
On the canopy, is there something you can do like old-school vacu-forming the lexan (or something less stiff)? I have no automotive or craft skills, but is there something softer and less heat-sensitive (vinyl and hot guns)? Seems like it would be a shame to be opaque. (Never mind, I went back to page 9) I seem to remember that radio-controlled airplanes have a very thin (almost transparent) skin. Looks like they make it in gold. Attached File Of course, a pilot's bust and helmet could be another project. Just sayin' ... (throwing in Good Idea Fairy notions -- please no kick nards, am medicated from back surgery). |
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Originally Posted By Sinister: How about for the tails -- PH (Powell High) AF 22 (graduating class / year of manufacture), serial 2225 (classes of 2022-2025 project -- a little artistic license to go four digits instead of three -- or 345 for classes of 23, 24, and 25)? https://www.airplanes-online.com/images/usaf-tail-code-numbering-scheme.jpg View Quote Saved! Thank you. Good info to have. |
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I suggest we trade a question mark in for a maybe.
IA, USA
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Originally Posted By guns762: My spelling has always sucked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Mak_380: Originally Posted By cschaeff: I believe it's "vinyl", Teach. He teaches art, not My spelling has always sucked. My wife is a terrible speller too. "How do you spell dog?" "C-A-T." |
WARNING-this post contains words or thoughts that may at some point be discovered by the state of California to cause cancer.
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Originally Posted By shack357: My wife is a terrible speller too. "How do you spell dog?" "C-A-T." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By shack357: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Mak_380: Originally Posted By cschaeff: I believe it's "vinyl", Teach. He teaches art, not My spelling has always sucked. My wife is a terrible speller too. "How do you spell dog?" "C-A-T." As an underachiever, I tell people who comment on my spelling that there is a reason I'm the only one in my family that doesn't have an MD, PHD, or DDS after their name. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: As an underachiever, I tell people who comment on my spelling that there is a reason I'm the only one in my family that doesn't have an MD, PHD, or DDS after their name. View Quote If you had the MD no one would be able to make out your handwriting to tell if you misspelled anything. |
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Life is about choices.
If you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. You make the same mistake again, that's a choice. |
Originally Posted By redoubt: If you had the MD no one would be able to make out your handwriting to tell if you misspelled anything. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By redoubt: Originally Posted By guns762: As an underachiever, I tell people who comment on my spelling that there is a reason I'm the only one in my family that doesn't have an MD, PHD, or DDS after their name. If you had the MD no one would be able to make out your handwriting to tell if you misspelled anything. See, that's the only thing I mastered.....writing like an MD, or DDS, in my father's case. We had a discussion today in class about some of the questions that come up on ARFCOM. The kids were pretty funny. My Seniors decided they should have their own reality TV show for their Art class. They were hilarious talking about how it would be run; the back in the supply closet interviews where they post "their truths" about class, and the shenanigans, laughs, tears, and work that happen daily. I shook my head and said we would be cancel cultured after about two episodes. It was all pretty funny. They are a good bunch. Since we are out in the hallways and spread around pretty good, our little fake drama episodes/arguments about the projects, get quite the look from other staff and students as they pass by. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: As an underachiever, I tell people who comment on my spelling that there is a reason I'm the only one in my family that doesn't have an MD, PHD, or DDS after their name. View Quote guns - you lie. You are NOT an underachiever, as documented by the countless taxidermy projects and giant sculptures in your school. You mold lives, and the sculptures are only token representations of the outsize influence you inspire in your students. |
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Let's go Brandon!
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Originally Posted By guns762: See, that's the only thing I mastered.....writing like an MD, or DDS, in my father's case. We had a discussion today in class about some of the questions that come up on ARFCOM. The kids were pretty funny. My Seniors decided they should have their own reality TV show for their Art class. They were hilarious talking about how it would be run; the back in the supply closet interviews where they post "their truths" about class, and the shenanigans, laughs, tears, and work that happen daily. I shook my head and said we would be cancel cultured after about two episodes. It was all pretty funny. They are a good bunch. Since we are out in the hallways and spread around pretty good, our little fake drama episodes/arguments about the projects, get quite the look from other staff and students as they pass by. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By redoubt: Originally Posted By guns762: As an underachiever, I tell people who comment on my spelling that there is a reason I'm the only one in my family that doesn't have an MD, PHD, or DDS after their name. If you had the MD no one would be able to make out your handwriting to tell if you misspelled anything. See, that's the only thing I mastered.....writing like an MD, or DDS, in my father's case. We had a discussion today in class about some of the questions that come up on ARFCOM. The kids were pretty funny. My Seniors decided they should have their own reality TV show for their Art class. They were hilarious talking about how it would be run; the back in the supply closet interviews where they post "their truths" about class, and the shenanigans, laughs, tears, and work that happen daily. I shook my head and said we would be cancel cultured after about two episodes. It was all pretty funny. They are a good bunch. Since we are out in the hallways and spread around pretty good, our little fake drama episodes/arguments about the projects, get quite the look from other staff and students as they pass by. You talk to and listen to your class. +1 |
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Mallet Acquired!!!
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Dude, if there is ever a class that should be made into a TV show, this is it. I love this stuff and I'm a fat old man.
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Originally Posted By guns762: Update 11/5 Frantic Friday Edition.... The nose has a good start to being ready for some final detail work. https://i.imgur.com/2Yt343d.jpg With the bird flipped on its back again we began working on bondo and skin near the nose. https://i.imgur.com/KFMcJYw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/xhOPGw1.jpg Couple of Sophomores that are surprising me with their work. https://i.imgur.com/dw1WLI9.jpg I was making fun of this young man as he was working, because he is one of my team leaders and seems to be in almost all the pictures. He spends so many hours a day down here, that he is working on many parts of this project. He is staining the airfield tiers for the display. https://i.imgur.com/pMZSqzx.jpg New pieces for our "flaperons". https://i.imgur.com/ajFrw4n.jpg Windowed panels going up on our aircraft control tower. https://i.imgur.com/6KCNte0.jpg I was excited to see our door actuator system coming together, but not happy to hear we need to move it from our original position in the bay. My wiring student may hunt me down when I tell him we need to move the box again.....this will be the third time. https://i.imgur.com/X1q6hfZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/97apTwy.jpg View Quote For the cockpit, you should paint it entirely light grey, then use black to draw the pilot sitting in his seat from above and the sides. When you apply the gold and iridescent only put them on half way with a lot of reducer and the outline of the pilot will "ghost" through on certain angles as you move. That will give it some depth instead of just making the whole canopy opaque. I have had acceptable results on smaller items using Krylon primers and colors, then laying down a metallic or pearl clear afterward without any compatibility issues (pinholes, fisheyes, bubbling, sags, melted look, never curing all the way, etc), just need to make sure each step is fully cured and don't rush it. If you can find both grey and black primer it might work to draw a silhouette of a pilot. Let that dry/cure for a day then lay down the gold in very light coats with plenty of time in between. If it starts bubbling or melting or wrinkling or anything else odd going on, just stop right there and wait a day to re-evaluate. Some paints are not compatible with the urethane long lasting paints and clear and sometimes that isn't found out until it's fully cured. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By guns762: My spelling has always sucked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By Seiran: At least you're tall. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Seiran: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Mak_380: Originally Posted By cschaeff: I believe it's "vinyl", Teach. He teaches art, not My spelling has always sucked. |
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Originally Posted By brass: For the cockpit, you should paint it entirely light grey, then use black to draw the pilot sitting in his seat from above and the sides. When you apply the gold and iridescent only put them on half way with a lot of reducer and the outline of the pilot will "ghost" through on certain angles as you move. That will give it some depth instead of just making the whole canopy opaque. I have had acceptable results on smaller items using Krylon primers and colors, then laying down a metallic or pearl clear afterward without any compatibility issues (pinholes, fisheyes, bubbling, sags, melted look, never curing all the way, etc), just need to make sure each step is fully cured and don't rush it. If you can find both grey and black primer it might work to draw a silhouette of a pilot. Let that dry/cure for a day then lay down the gold in very light coats with plenty of time in between. If it starts bubbling or melting or wrinkling or anything else odd going on, just stop right there and wait a day to re-evaluate. Some paints are not compatible with the urethane long lasting paints and clear and sometimes that isn't found out until it's fully cured. View Quote Sounds like a good idea and great advice. The ghost image thing might work. I'll have to run that by the kids and see what they think. |
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A local pizza chain should be delivering a pizza to that control tower.
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Let's go Brandon!
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Is that young lady using a staple gun again???!!
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Mallet Acquired!!!
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Magic!
At 5 minutes in he shows how to make a curved Riot Shield out of Arylic to do the 2 curve separate, do the longitudinal (front to back) forming then once it cools do the transverse left-right curving with heat on those spots and keep doing so at a slow rate than trying to get it all done in one go. I believe you've given up on the idea of the clear canopy, but this video is interesting as heck to watch for other reasons anyway. Building An Updated Invisibility Shield... For Chris Ramsay!?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G93bju1qCSI |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By guns762: Update 11/11 Had one of my team leaders tackle the finishing edge of our British Airfield tiers..... I'm loving how this is turning out. Hot glue, clippings from the astroturf, and a heat gun( I think it's his favorite tool)... https://i.imgur.com/E0RR2O9.jpg Anchor point for pulley on horizontal stabilizer/elevator https://i.imgur.com/jCqcQKT.jpg Skinning the interior of the intakes https://i.imgur.com/zVegSL9.jpg Our work so far on a sliding weight to move the flaps when the F22 moves. https://i.imgur.com/1nNpvEg.jpg View Quote The Elevons you can tie together by running a straight bar between them that is moved by the motor so when one goes up, the other goes down, sort of like how RC aircraft set up the flaps on a servo, one is pushed while the other is pulled by the servo. Could do something similar to that to make it like a tie bar in automotive steering so they're always parallel but opposite direction. The weights could help but it would simplify it a little bit I think, not sure what you have in mind as it only works if one is going up while other is going down and not if they're both going up or down at the same time, no independent motion on the flaps/elevator. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By guns762: Update 11/11 Had one of my team leaders tackle the finishing edge of our British Airfield tiers..... I'm loving how this is turning out. Hot glue, clippings from the astroturf, and a heat gun( I think it's his favorite tool)... https://i.imgur.com/E0RR2O9.jpg Anchor point for pulley on horizontal stabilizer/elevator https://i.imgur.com/jCqcQKT.jpg Skinning the interior of the intakes https://i.imgur.com/zVegSL9.jpg Our work so far on a sliding weight to move the flaps when the F22 moves. https://i.imgur.com/1nNpvEg.jpg View Quote The Stabilator you can tie together by running a straight bar between them that is moved by the motor so when one goes up, the other goes down, sort of like how RC aircraft set up the elevators on a servo, one is pushed while the other is pulled by the servo. Could do something similar to that to make it like a tie bar in automotive steering so they're always parallel but opposite direction. The weights could help but it would simplify it a little bit I think, not sure what you have in mind as it only works if one is going up while other is going down and not if they're both going up or down at the same time, no independent motion on the flaps/elevator. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Ever since the riots, all I really wanted was a black girlfriend.
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I'm waiting on the Cubans.
And Snoopy. |
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Mallet Acquired!!!
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Originally Posted By guns762: This is some great news, and some terrible news all at the same time. This young man, my team leader for the F22 project, is now going to be going to Washington D.C. in Jan. to be a Senate Page. He asked me to write him a letter or recommendation a few months ago, and he got his acceptance letter today. Years ago, my oldest son was also a Senate Page, and later an Intern for Sen. Enzie(WY-R). Anyway, this is fantastic news for him, but crappy news for our F22 program. I told him he can't take the heat gun with him. https://i.imgur.com/UrDwzlr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/m8SfbXr.jpg View Quote Bravo Zulu, young man. |
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Let's go Brandon!
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I think I need to buy a shirt...these kids are the future, with the best guidance they could possibly have.
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Originally Posted By daveo: They available yet? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By daveo: Originally Posted By armoredman: I think I need to buy a shirt...these kids are the future, with the best guidance they could possibly have. They available yet? They haven't decided on a non-phallic symbol design. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By brass: They haven't decided on a non-phallic symbol design. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By daveo: Originally Posted By armoredman: I think I need to buy a shirt...these kids are the future, with the best guidance they could possibly have. They available yet? They haven't decided on a non-phallic symbol design. |
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Mallet Acquired!!!
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Originally Posted By brass: They haven't decided on a non-phallic symbol design. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By daveo: Originally Posted By armoredman: I think I need to buy a shirt...these kids are the future, with the best guidance they could possibly have. They available yet? They haven't decided on a non-phallic symbol design. We are closer than last week. |
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Intakes are looking pretty good!
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Bravery will take you into the most dangerous of places. Overwhelming firepower will see you safely through them. ~ The Book of Cataclysm
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Originally Posted By Ashraam: Intakes are looking pretty good! View Quote We've got some details to get built between the intake and fuselage that will be a little difficult because of work space between them. We aren't sure what all details will be inside the intakes quite yet. We probably need to go look at more detailed photos if they are out there. Most are pretty difficult to see much, other than "dark". |
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Life is about choices.
If you make a mistake once, it's a mistake. You make the same mistake again, that's a choice. |
Originally Posted By redoubt: Try these for the intakes: https://aviationweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/crop_freeform/public/uploads/2019/10/f-22-sustainmentlockheed-martin-photo.jpg?itok=i1_MGmx0 https://ugc.kn3.net/i/origin/http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/Misc/RedFlag0702/Highlights/F22Taxying12oClock.jpg https://i.stack.imgur.com/mYA1W.jpg Internal ducting layout. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/74363/raptor_2015_039_tail_work_png-2169090.JPG View Quote Thank you! Those are great! Got them printed off and we will be using them today. |
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Is that going to have enough mass to actuate the flaps working against cable friction and a return spring?
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Originally Posted By HermanSnerd:
In reality, those two hot chicks that you just met that want you to come home with them for "a good time", are merely the bait for the huge guy hiding in the closet wearing a Batman suit. |
Originally Posted By dmnoid77: Is that going to have enough mass to actuate the flaps working against cable friction and a return spring? View Quote We think we might have too much tight now. We will soon find out. We discussed on how to add more on either end to balance the action. I'm headed to get springs right now. |
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I'm kinda curious to see if that slide binds when the frame starts to twist under motion.
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Bravery will take you into the most dangerous of places. Overwhelming firepower will see you safely through them. ~ The Book of Cataclysm
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Bravery will take you into the most dangerous of places. Overwhelming firepower will see you safely through them. ~ The Book of Cataclysm
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Mallet Acquired!!!
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Originally Posted By Ashraam: I mean, I'm hoping it does, really! View Quote We tested it a few minutes ago. It works. We just need to refine it a bit. Don't even need a return spring. Gravity both ways works perfectly. --ETA: may need more refining.....we added a bit of structure to the flap, and that added a bit of weight, now we need to adjust the sliding weight a bit, maybe add more weight. I spoke too soon. |
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Preliminary test while the wing was flat went well. No spring was needed to get the flap to come back down. We are now messing with the slide orientation angle to see if we can make it work without adding too much more weight.
F-22 flaps gravity actuator test |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Preliminary test while the wing was flat went well. No spring was needed to get the flap to come back down. We are now messing with the slide orientation angle to see if we can make it work without adding too much more weight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDB4_ybvHP4 View Quote Nice. Even if you have to add a bit of weight it looks like a pretty easy fix. |
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Bravery will take you into the most dangerous of places. Overwhelming firepower will see you safely through them. ~ The Book of Cataclysm
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