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1/14/2004 11:59:02 AM EDT
Here is a link to an extended version of the apache video. It shows what happened before the Iraqis got smoked by the apache.

www-scf.usc.edu/~raymondw/Apache%20Mission%20in%20Iraq%2012.1.03.avi
1/14/2004 1:26:49 PM EDT
[#1]
Thank you!

Get Some!
1/14/2004 1:51:44 PM EDT
[#2]
SCHWEEEEEEET!!
1/14/2004 1:56:39 PM EDT
[#3]
All I get after it loads are a bunch of random shapes and colors.  No shoot-em-ups here![whacko]
1/14/2004 2:08:27 PM EDT
[#4]
Good one, worked for me using Quick Time.
1/14/2004 2:12:12 PM EDT
[#5]
smoke em!

that was very cool, those bafoons never knew what hit them
1/14/2004 2:24:44 PM EDT
[#6]
Dammit!  It keeps telling me I have the wrong codec!  I can hear it but can't see it!

E-95
1/14/2004 2:27:59 PM EDT
[#7]
All I'm getting is the audio! [:(]
1/14/2004 2:35:25 PM EDT
[#8]
Me too! and I've got some pretty sophisticated digital video equipment.
1/14/2004 2:36:34 PM EDT
[#9]
The AVI is encoded with the Divx codec link below for download.

[url]http://www.divx.com/[/url]
1/14/2004 2:38:25 PM EDT
[#10]
Download and install this codec to get it to work:

[url]http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow/[/url]
1/14/2004 2:39:11 PM EDT
[#11]
What kind of gun did they use?

Oh, 30MM M230. Talk about overkill.
1/14/2004 2:48:51 PM EDT
[#12]
Someone on another site brought up a good point.
There are clearly 2 streams of fire coming from the chopper. The Apache choppers I've seen have a single barreled chain gun mounted below the cockpit.

[img]http://tri.army.mil/LC/CS/Csa/apM230.jpg[/img]

Anybody here have any new information they'd like to share with the class?
1/14/2004 3:06:02 PM EDT
[#13]
I originally read that these guys were hiding shoulder-fired missles.  They look to be wrapped up rifles in the extended video based on length and overall bulk.

Certainly seems they were up to no good.  Who the hell reaches to unwrap their rifle when their buddy just got shredded?  Either he's stupid or it really was a missle launcher.

Anyone else?
1/14/2004 3:06:19 PM EDT
[#14]
As the first guy gets nailed look at the guy in the upper right hand of the screen.  It looks like he starts throwing up!

That first guy really made a splash.
1/14/2004 3:08:21 PM EDT
[#15]
I think what they had wrapped up was way to small to be a missle launcher.  It would have had more heft and be harder to throw around like he was doing.

I bet it was a rifle of some kind.
1/14/2004 3:14:45 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
What kind of gun did they use?

Oh, 30MM M230. Talk about overkill.
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From [url=http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/apache_video_040109.html]this article[/url]:

"Army officials acknowledged that the 30 mm cannons used by the Apache gunners were far bigger than what was needed to kill the men, but said it is the smallest weapon the Apaches have."  [BD]
1/14/2004 3:44:55 PM EDT
[#17]
Two things:

A)  Why does the time jump at xx:22:44 to xx:22:54 (10 seconds cut out)

B)  What are the first 11 rounds shot at?  Where does the hot area appear (long white stick on far left, out of field of view) in field after the first 11 rounds.  There is still a guy there, after they track him running back to the right.


--Edited to say, what did they shoot with the first 11 rounds (count started at 300, ends at 208 at lower right), then there are THREE guys left, and what appears to be an object in the field where the original clip started (xx:22:56 in upper left timestamp)
????
1/14/2004 3:51:04 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
The AVI is encoded with the Divx codec link below for download.

[url]http://www.divx.com/[/url]
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For those who STILL don't have a clue what Max_Mike is talking about (like me), do the following:

Click [url=http://www.divx.com/divx/?src=toptab_divx_from_/index.php]this link[/url]

Download the FREE DivX Pro player (Ad supported). You can run it directly from the web site when it asks you to choose running or downloading, depending on your speed.

Once the installation is complete, double-click the original AVI link and presto-chango, you'll have the Anti-Terrorism Tango to enjoy!

Hope this helps...
1/14/2004 3:57:06 PM EDT
[#19]
Good call Boom_Stick ... it does indeed look like victim number 3 vomitted when number 1 got greased. Something hot came forcefully out of his mouth after he bent over. Hiding under that truck after vomitting didn't work out as well as he'd hoped.
1/14/2004 4:05:11 PM EDT
[#20]
If you have trouble playing it you can find it at this site


      [url]www.ogrish.com[/url]
1/14/2004 4:07:01 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Two things:

A)  Why does the time jump at xx:22:44 to xx:22:54 (10 seconds cut out)

B)  What are the first 11 rounds shot at?  Where does the hot area appear (long white stick on far left, out of field of view) in field after the first 11 rounds.  There is still a guy there, after they track him running back to the right.


--Edited to say, what did they shoot with the first 11 rounds (count started at 300, ends at 208 at lower right), then there are THREE guys left, and what appears to be an object in the field where the original clip started (xx:22:56 in upper left timestamp)
????
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The first burst was not ranged correctly - I thihnk he says it was on laser range.  So he's told to go to auto-range.  This is just a guess on my part.

The object that appears on the left is a tractor with a guy on it.  Apparently it was doing some sort of farm work as there is a swath of earth colored as though it was plowed or cut or whatever that differs in color from the field in front of the tractor.
1/14/2004 4:20:22 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Two things:

A)  Why does the time jump at xx:22:44 to xx:22:54 (10 seconds cut out)

B)  What are the first 11 rounds shot at?  Where does the hot area appear (long white stick on far left, out of field of view) in field after the first 11 rounds.  There is still a guy there, after they track him running back to the right.


--Edited to say, what did they shoot with the first 11 rounds (count started at 300, ends at 208 at lower right), then there are THREE guys left, and what appears to be an object in the field where the original clip started (xx:22:56 in upper left timestamp)
????
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The first burst was not ranged correctly - I thihnk he says it was on laser range.  So he's told to go to auto-range.  This is just a guess on my part.

The object that appears on the left is a tractor with a guy on it.  Apparently it was doing some sort of farm work as there is a swath of earth colored as though it was plowed or cut or whatever that differs in color from the field in front of the tractor.
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Ok, so they were laying the weapons directly in the path of the tractor?  (which somehow stopped right in front of them????)
1/14/2004 4:27:04 PM EDT
[#23]
Maybe, but the part dangling off the back might have been a rope around the wrap, or an umbilical cable to connect a missile to the launcher.
1/14/2004 4:35:00 PM EDT
[#24]
tagged
1/14/2004 6:00:14 PM EDT
[#25]
It looked to me like he was either dropping the RPG for the tractor driver to use later, or ditching it so the driver could get past a checkpoint.
1/14/2004 6:03:28 PM EDT
[#26]
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

I just went to download the codec and it comes with GAIN software. DO NOT load GAIN. It is the most intrusive software that you could have on your PC. It is full of security holes. DANGEROUS. VERY DANGEROUS. BE CAREFUL.

I say this with all sincerity.
1/14/2004 6:04:38 PM EDT
[#27]
No GAIN here.
1/14/2004 6:06:49 PM EDT
[#28]
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

do I have your attention yet????

I just went to download the codec and noticed the free version comes with GAIN software. STOP! Don't do it. GAIN is the most intrusive software you could ever imagine (do a Goggle search if you don't believe me). This could be the biggest pain in the ass you ever have with your PC. I repeat, do NOT download this!!!!!
1/14/2004 6:25:25 PM EDT
[#29]
My questions on page one are still barely answered (appearance of tractor and 3rd guy, and the "missing ten seconds").

Otherwise, I would like to ask for somebody with a host.

I have about 170 weapons camera videos, totalling a bit over 600MB in an archive (and singly).

Anybody want to host these?
1/14/2004 6:29:42 PM EDT
[#30]
tagged!
1/14/2004 6:31:12 PM EDT
[#31]

Any verfied identification of the "weapon"?


Was it an SA-7 or not??? Looks long enough.


And do ya' see the little tag dangling on the back of it as he runs with it before he drops it?



1/14/2004 6:31:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Yup, instant barf.  

Quoted:
As the first guy gets nailed look at the guy in the upper right hand of the screen.  It looks like he starts throwing up!

That first guy really made a splash.
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1/14/2004 6:45:16 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

do I have your attention yet????

I just went to download the codec and noticed the free version comes with GAIN software. STOP! Don't do it. GAIN is the most intrusive software you could ever imagine (do a Goggle search if you don't believe me). This could be the biggest pain in the ass you ever have with your PC. I repeat, do NOT download this!!!!!
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You might want to try this
[url]http://numea.com/DivXLight-511.exe[/url]

I don't have this installed on my machine so I cant vouch for it but it is supposed to the video decoder only and nothing else.
1/14/2004 6:45:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Aaaaghh!  Linky no worky!  [:O]  Must see!  Where else can I get the extended version?
1/14/2004 7:03:25 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Yup, instant barf.  

Quoted:
As the first guy gets nailed look at the guy in the upper right hand of the screen.  It looks like he starts throwing up!

That first guy really made a splash.
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I've watched it several times and he goes to his knees barfing almost instantaneously.
That means he was already nervous or scared. (up to no good?)

Watch the guy on the tractor before the first engagement and he briefly looks in the direction of the Apache.  It's like they knew the Apache or "something" was there watching them. After guy #1 was lit up the barfer knew he was fvcked and that was the reason behind the reaction. I think it takes time for body parts to affect a person long before the idea that you're fvcked sets in.
The tractor guy starts unwrapping something like his life depended on it, but I still think it was a rifle and not a launcher.
1/14/2004 7:11:56 PM EDT
[#36]
Assuming you have a current version of windows media player, all you need is the codec. You can get this here:

http://download.divx.com/divx/DivX511Bundle.exe


instead of the GAIN bundle you get here:

http://download.divx.com/divx/DivXPro511GAINBundle.exe


1/14/2004 7:14:49 PM EDT
[#37]
Don't need no codec.  Need video.  Pweeez!!!  [>(]
1/14/2004 7:18:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

I just went to download the codec and it comes with GAIN software. DO NOT load GAIN. It is the most intrusive software that you could have on your PC. It is full of security holes. DANGEROUS. VERY DANGEROUS. BE CAREFUL.

I say this with all sincerity.
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I ran Spybot and AdAware and saw no traces of Gain. YMMV.
1/14/2004 7:30:50 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Don't need no codec.  Need video.  Pweeez!!!  [>(]
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Link still works for me.
I d/l'ed the video @ work today, just now watched it. Saw your post and checked the link for fun. It still works for me.
1/14/2004 7:51:00 PM EDT
[#40]
Do a search on yahoo for a program called "FFDSHOW".  Its a all in one package that will allow you to download all the differently encoded movies.

-GL
1/14/2004 8:20:11 PM EDT
[#41]
Ahhhh, the link works now.  Musta been at a bandwidth limit for the day.
1/14/2004 8:41:36 PM EDT
[#42]
As to whether the Apache pilots could have called in ground troops to apprehend the men, Cordesman said: "In this kind of war, wherever you find organized resistance among the insurgents, you have to act immediately. If you wait to send in ground troops almost invariably your enemy is going to be gone."
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I don't know what the reporter Martha Raddatz has on her shoulders, beside 2 tits. They're shooting us and we're shooting at them, it's known as a war, it's just that simple.
1/14/2004 9:56:12 PM EDT
[#43]
Jeebus it looks like the guy was waving a white flag after the first guy was hit.

2 questions:

1, Were those 30mm shells explosive?  Because they sure looked like it on FLIR.

2, How does FLIR work :)
1/14/2004 10:10:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Winamp 5 will play .avi

Winamp 5 seems to play just about everything.
1/14/2004 10:49:11 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
SCHWEEEEEEET!!
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What he said
1/14/2004 11:34:30 PM EDT
[#46]
If that happened to me while I was selling a rifle out in the boonies, or doing something that looked like an arms trade, I would be seriously pissed off.  

The pilot had no solid proof that an illegal weapons exchange was going on. In addition, firing on unarmed and wounded civilians is also shamefull for such a powerfull military.  And we much such a fuss about Ruby Ridge and Waco? At least we can sue.
1/15/2004 12:13:48 AM EDT
[#47]
WTF? "Rgr he's wounded...hit him" "Hit the truck and him"

Ive always been under the impression that if the enemy soldier is wounded and is offering no further or any resistance that they are to be taken prisoner and such?

I have no idea what their ROE are nor the Geneva Convention laws are. But from what I can see on the video they had complete control of the situation and further fire was not needed. Perhaps to destroy the remaining vehicles I understand. Ive never been in the service and never will be (medically). And never been in combat so I cant imagine what goes on in your head.

Anyhow just some opinions of mine. Perhaps someone who knows more about ROE for this situation could explain it some.
1/15/2004 12:23:32 AM EDT
[#48]
[SIZE=6]ALLAAAAAHHHH ACKBAR!!!![/SIZE=6]





[SIZE=6]ALLAAAAAHHHH ACKBAR!!!![/SIZE=6]




[SIZE=6]ALLAAAAAHHHH ACKBAR!!!![/SIZE=6]





[SIZE=6]ALLAAAAAHHHH ACKBAR!!!![/SIZE=6]






[SIZE=6]ALLAAAAAHHHH ACKBAR!!!![/SIZE=6]
1/15/2004 12:52:34 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
WTF? "Rgr he's wounded...hit him" "Hit the truck and him"

Ive always been under the impression that if the enemy soldier is wounded and is offering no further or any resistance that they are to be taken prisoner and such?

I have no idea what their ROE are nor the Geneva Convention laws are. But from what I can see on the video they had complete control of the situation and further fire was not needed. Perhaps to destroy the remaining vehicles I understand. Ive never been in the service and never will be (medically). And never been in combat so I cant imagine what goes on in your head.

Anyhow just some opinions of mine. Perhaps someone who knows more about ROE for this situation could explain it some.
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Oh suuuure then every time an Apache engaged anybody they would all fall down to the ground, "wounded" [:D].
1/15/2004 12:56:12 AM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
WTF? "Rgr he's wounded...hit him" "Hit the truck and him"

Ive always been under the impression that if the enemy soldier is wounded and is offering no further or any resistance that they are to be taken prisoner and such?

I have no idea what their ROE are nor the Geneva Convention laws are. But from what I can see on the video they had complete control of the situation and further fire was not needed. Perhaps to destroy the remaining vehicles I understand. Ive never been in the service and never will be (medically). And never been in combat so I cant imagine what goes on in your head.

Anyhow just some opinions of mine. Perhaps someone who knows more about ROE for this situation could explain it some.
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They arn't soldiers tho...
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