
Posted: 6/10/2002 10:16:56 AM EST
After reading the post concerning the man with an expired visa found driving a truck with explosive residue near a NAS I wonder:
Does INS actually attempt to find people in the U.S. with expired visas?
Does anyone verify that people on student visas actually are attending a university?
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"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher
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I don't know about you, but Visa always mails me a new card before mine expires. I don't think they care if you go to school or not.
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My guess would be no.. and no on a governmental level and yes/kinda on an academia level.
The first would be an equivalent to looking for Juan Hernandez (no offense to any Juan Hernandezs' reading this) out of Guadeloupe after he crossed the border illegally. They just don't have the resources. I have stayed often times in Germany and Austria past my 90 days (although granted it is an automatic visa situation( and no one came looking for me.
Now if INS would flag an expired visa on routine LE stops (upload current outstanding visa's on NCIC), that would prolly help root out quite a few. But red tape will always get in the way.
Secondly, in some cases the school will cancel the visa if you're attendance falls below accepted levels, but once you complete a set number of hours - You can take 1 hour a week and still have a valid student visa/extensions, often times long enough for the induhvidual to become naturalised.
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Now if INS would flag an expired visa on routine LE stops (upload current outstanding visa's on NCIC), that would prolly help root out quite a few. But red tape will always get in the way.
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This is what discourages people from getting involved with politics today. They will dig up little things like murder, racketeering, and sexual slavery in your past. |
Originally Posted By cluster:
Now if INS would flag an expired visa on routine LE stops (upload current outstanding visa's on NCIC), that would prolly help root out quite a few. But red tape will always get in the way.
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So if stopped for speeding one can be detained for unpaid tickets but not if you are in the country illegally. This kind of puts the fingerprint issue into perspective. What are they going to do with the fingerprints if they don't do anything about folks with expired visa when they are found. I guess they would be good for IDing the bodies of terrorist after an attack.
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"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher
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If you are found in the USA with an expired visa you should be invited to
stay, 10 years free of charge at one of our nice penitentiaries.
If you are found to have a nonlegal person living in your house. The home
owners should be given 10 years in jail. Their kids can be taken away
and given to the state system to deal with.
The Government should give $5,000 for each tip leading to the arrest of
a non legal person living here.
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Originally Posted By TalonJ:
If you are found in the USA with an expired visa you should be invited to
stay, 10 years free of charge at one of our nice penitentiaries.
If you are found to have a nonlegal person living in your house. The home
owners should be given 10 years in jail. Their kids can be taken away
and given to the state system to deal with.
The Government should give $5,000 for each tip leading to the arrest of
a non legal person living here. View Quote |
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"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher
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Feeding???? Who said anything about feeding?
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Originally Posted By Only_Hits_Count:
I don't know about you, but Visa always mails me a new card before mine expires. I don't think they care if you go to school or not. View Quote |
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No they are not allowed to actively look for expired visas.
The schools shield these illegals. It is a source of revenue for them.
The INS management is all about CUSTOMER service.
Political correctness is a priority. If a person complains that agents appear threatening because they have a gun. A directive is sent down that all agents on the line are not to have weapons. I don't know about you but I want my border guards intimadating and armed.
INS Enforcement agents are required to issue work cards and green cards to illegals at a downtown office after inspection duties. They should be arresting them.
If any agent tries to enforce the laws the liberal news media does all it can to make them look bad.
So once again the spineless management backs down.
Here is a link of the media trashing one INS field office and making our borders safer for the sappers and terrorists.
[url]http://www.oregonlive.com/ins/index.ssf?/news/oregonian/00/12/lc_51cultr14.frame[/url]
Sorry for the on and on and on but I heard it from a team of agents for years of how they are not allowed to do their jobs. If they do they are fired.
To expect this agency to protect our borders is a joke.
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Originally Posted By Burned:
INS Enforcement agents are required to issue work cards and green cards to illegals at a downtown office after inspection duties. They should be arresting them.
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Originally Posted By tatjana:
The United States is so smitten by the Politically Correct virus in the lower immigration tract that you are expected to believe that this would be tantamount to a savage beating by law enforcement. This is primarily a result of the Hispanic political influence in the Southwest. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt this will ever be publicly admitted. View Quote |
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I think that it is not wise for local law enforcement to enforce:
Federal Customs Laws and Regulations
Federal Firearm Laws and Regulations
Federal Immigration Laws and Regulations
What needs to be done is for the INS to be completely reformed from top to bottom. It's greatest problem is that its many decent and capable officers are rendered ineffective in a rudderless bureaucracy where the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing.
Once the bureaucracy is reformed, then the INS can start consolidating its computer and paper systems into a coherent whole, so that each alien could quote or produce a number, which would allow that alien's status to be instantly checked. This would also require merging of data from the US State Dept. (they are the people who actually issue the visas overseas), the universities and other sources. The US Dept. of Justice has started a program for the universities, where the International Student Office at a university will upload their student information over the Internet, including information on whether the student is currently registered for the minimum coursework and is attending classes. The INS will then be able to cross check this information against their alien records and determine which students have dropped out and need to be tracked down.
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Ckapsl, I agree that INS needs to be reformed. It appears that the rate at which they work or don't work probably causes some people to fall "out of status". I am not suggesting that local police enforce immigration law. What I suggest is that if thepolice stop you for speeding and find that you are "out of status" that they simply detain you for INS. Currently, the policewill detain you if you have warrant for failure to appear in court for something as small as speeding tickets. The INS will have to get there act together before this could ever work.
I heard something on the radio this morning that seemed to be a good idea. Prior to Sept. 11 Florida issued driver license to aliens for a full six years independent of the duration of their visa. After Sept. 11 they now issue a drivers license for only the duration of the visa.
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"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher
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ckapsl
Its all true. You went to the wrong office!
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Originally Posted By ckapsl:
Originally Posted By tatjana:
The United States is so smitten by the Politically Correct virus in the lower immigration tract that you are expected to believe that this would be tantamount to a savage beating by law enforcement. This is primarily a result of the Hispanic political influence in the Southwest. Unfortunately, I seriously doubt this will ever be publicly admitted. View Quote View Quote (This may be part of the commonplace "I am inside, now let's close the gate behind me" syndrome.) View Quote The immigration laws are so complex that it is [b]commonplace for different INS agents to give different answers to the same legal question[/b]. This has happened to me personally at least two times, and I have heard of it happening countless times. In one of the cases, after consulting a lawyer, I determined that if I had followed one of the agents' advice, [b]I would have been breaking the law[/b], yet if I had done so, I would not have been able to offer the agent’s incompetence as a defense. View Quote If the INS cannot interpret the laws that its agents are [b]trained[/b] to enforce... View Quote |
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"...no secret so close as that between rider and horse."
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I can only imagine the chaos that would result from untrained local law enforcement attempting to determine who is in status and who has valid visas. View Quote [u]It would probably be feasible if the local law enforcement officers were given extensive training before being sent out to intercept foreign-looking people and demand visas from them[/u]. View Quote ...do you want your local LEOs keeping the peace in your neighborhood or spending their time wading through and interpreting INS regulations? View Quote |
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"...no secret so close as that between rider and horse."
http://www.ammo-oracle.com - tatjana@ar15.com |
Originally Posted By ckapsl:
I think that it is not wise for local law enforcement to enforce:
Federal Customs Laws and Regulations
Federal Firearm Laws and Regulations
Federal Immigration Laws and Regulations View Quote What needs to be done is for the INS to be completely reformed from top to bottom. View Quote ...so that each alien could quote or produce a number, which would allow that alien's status to be instantly checked. View Quote The US Dept. of Justice has started a program for the universities, where the International Student Office at a university will upload their student information over the Internet, including information on whether the student is currently registered for the minimum coursework and is attending classes. The INS will then be able to cross check this information against their alien records and determine which students have dropped out and need to be tracked down. View Quote |
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"...no secret so close as that between rider and horse."
http://www.ammo-oracle.com - tatjana@ar15.com |
Originally Posted By tatjana:
...by flagging that name in NCIC so a simple traffic stop will cause that person to be detained, instead of tasking so many federal resources to cope with it. Distribute the problem. Make it easy (or transparent) for locals to discover that a given person has fallen afoul of INS. Locals find wants/warrants for people in other states or with federal wants all the time. What's the problem giving them the tools to recognize an illegal too? View Quote |
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