
Posted: 4/12/2001 11:34:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/12/2001 11:36:56 AM EDT by M4]
I was just listening to the news regarding the riots in Cincinnati. I don't know how well updated you are on these riots, but there's been a ton of vandalism, theft and assaults on bystanders.
A black woman, I guess a cummunity leader in Cincinnati, seems to think that all these actions by the black youths are a product of "community unrest" due to inequality issues. She sees it as a "natural reaction".
Now I have no gripe about people being good-n-pissed off about being treated poorly or unfairly. That makes perfect sense to me. What I want to know is this. Why do black leaders NEVER admit that random assaults on bystanders, looting of honest business owners and the wholesale destruction of private property is NOT acceptable?
The victims of these riots had NOTHING to do with the issues that started the riots, yet they are considered legit targets for street rage. No appologies, no regret expressed, why is that? What would the media say if the roles were reversed?
There have been cases where whites are accused of hate crimes for targeting blacks. The media eats that label up and can't wait to run stories on hate crimes. Why is this standard NOT applied to blacks when they clearly target white businesses and people?
Here in Washington State, in Seattle, we recently had or attempted to have a Mardi Gras celebration. The event went bad when black youths in groups went around assaulting random white bystanders. This was shown on the news, filmed clearly showing black guys beating the crap out of individual white people. Men AND women. I don't think it was a coincendnce that ALL the people they assaulted were white, and they assaulted MANY people. In this instance, there was no "reason" to riot. It was a celebration that would have been a good time for everyone if it weren't for the possibility of being severly beaten for no reason. One person actually died of their injuries later at the hospital. No mention at all of a "hate crime", despite the nightly news showing one white person after the other being assaulted by a group of black guys.
I just want to know who has thoughts on this. Personally, I think black America suffers from a TOTAL lack of leadership and often a total lack of personal responsibility and accountablitiy. Like I said, anger about inequality is one thing, destroying property, looting and assaulting people with little or no accountablitiy is bullsh!t.
I'm sure I will promptly be labeled a Klansmen for this post, I don't give a sh!t. What I've said is the truth, and I'll proudly live by whatever label speaking the truth earns me.
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كافر AMERICAN INFIDEL كافر
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this whole riot is really just an excuse to rob stuff, burn building & other illegal activities only because these low lifes know they can get away with it. 99.9% of the people there could care less who the cops shot or why.
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[b]when black youths in groups went around assaulting random white bystanders. This was shown on the news, filmed clearly showing black guys beating the crap out of individual white people. Men AND women. I don't think it was a coincendnce that ALL the people they assaulted were white, and they assaulted MANY people. In this instance, there was no "reason" to riot. It was a celebration that would have been a good time for everyone if it weren't for the possibility of being severly beaten for no reason. One person actually died of their injuries later at the hospital. No mention at all of a "hate crime", despite the nightly news showing one white person after the other being assaulted by a group of black guys.[/b]
Think those guys were just plain mad at whites in general or out for some revenge?
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Well said.
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ditto, NY shooter!
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You guys are preaching to the choir on this one.
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Forgive my ignorance, but [b]at what point does the police step aside and the National gaurd step in?[/b]
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Yeah, I pretty much agre with that.
What I want to know is what's up with the black leadership and the media NEVER discussing that elusive word "accountability" for the rioters actions. Or for that matter "hate crimes" when the targets are mostly if not all white.
We don't negotiate with terrorists for a reason. It validates their methods. I see this as urban terrorism, and not only is it not addressed by the media and black leadership, it is not given the same "ugly" label that is slapped on others for doing similar things. The failure to deal with and isolate people responsible for actions like this will only perpetuate these types of crimes in the future.
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كافر AMERICAN INFIDEL كافر
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Hmmm, what a GREAT reason to have an AR!
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"Panic sweeps my men when they are facing the AMERICAN MARINES." -CAPTURED NORTH KOREAN MAJOR
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This nonsense won't stop until someone being beaten pulls out a "900" caliber pocket rocket and blows the perpetrators' heads off in self defense!
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Originally Posted By Death_By_AR15:
Hmmm, what a GREAT reason to have an AR! View Quote |
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Originally Posted By satcong:
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Think those guys were just plain mad at whites in general or out for some revenge?[/b] View Quote |
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كافر AMERICAN INFIDEL كافر
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I have addressed this in the other two posts, and will address your comments specific again...
First off...Black Leadership?? Literally, I was NEVER asked to vote for ANYONE to be my so called leader...Contextually, the so called leaders we did have, may still be alive if not for the governments complicity, if not down right actions (IE Malcolm & Martin), but even IF dead, American Blacks would be perhaps a different people all together...
Seattle....As I too am in Seattle, the footage the media CHOSE to constantly replay was of Blacks, But by the city's admission, ALL RACES were involved in assaults.
Finally...Again, is this right? NO...Will this stop the MURDER, in Cincinnati of unarmed Blacks by the police? Probably not, BUT...THEY WILL consider it in the future...(BTW 5 yrs= 15 murdered= 3 a yr average????!!!)
PLEASE read the other two threads on this topic as well...
Like I said over there also..Its now a case of Brutality and injustice for all....
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Just a thought,
If we could shoot just those people who were committing violent crimes, I wonder what the percentages of race would look like.
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Grandfathering weapons only puts off until tomorrow what tyranny cannot accomplish today.
The only people made safer by gun control are criminals and tyrants. I don't know who paid for this membership, but please accept my sincere gratitude. |
OK wobbly, If we convict on murder charges, or, by your standard...'shoot just the ' police who have shot unarmed citizens....What exactly would THOSE stats be?????
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Originally Posted By CavVet:
I have addressed this in the other two posts, and will address your comments specific again...
First off...Black Leadership?? Literally, I was NEVER asked to vote for ANYONE to be my so called leader...Contextually, the so called leaders we did have, may still be alive if not for the governments complicity, if not down right actions (IE Malcolm & Martin), but even IF dead, American Blacks would be perhaps a different people all together...
Seattle....As I too am in Seattle, the footage the media CHOSE to constantly replay was of Blacks, But by the city's admission, ALL RACES were involved in assaults.
Finally...Again, is this right? NO...Will this stop the MURDER, in Cincinnati of unarmed Blacks by the police? Probably not, BUT...THEY WILL consider it in the future...(BTW 5 yrs= 15 murdered= 3 a yr average????!!!)
PLEASE read the other two threads on this topic as well...
Like I said over there also..Its now a case of Brutality and injustice for all.... View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Wobblin Goblin:
Just a thought,
If we could shoot just those people who were committing violent crimes, I wonder what the percentages of race would look like. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By CavVet:
Like I said over there also..Its now a case of Brutality and injustice for all.... View Quote |
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Originally Posted By CavVet:
Like I said over there also..Its now a case of Brutality and injustice for all.... View Quote |
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كافر AMERICAN INFIDEL كافر
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I have an idea!
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M4,
I wont even try to dissuade you in your opinion of Seattles issues, however...
Then you go on to talk about whether or not this will stop the cops from killing blacks View Quote If the problem is with the cops, then deal with the cops.[/qutoe]
There have been 15 other chances for that to happen, and just like with Rodney King, the fox guards the chickens and NOTHING ever will happen. NO matter how blatant, no matter how unjust.
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NYShooter,
you worded the above sentence it would appear the your rejoycing in the fact that people not of black color are getting attacked & hurt. View Quote |
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Here is one of few black leaders I agree with:
[url]www.sierratimes.com/archive/jj/edjj022800.htm[/url]
Obviously if all blacks thought like this guy there would be no racial problems.
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WHEW, I thought MY black ass was Conservative....I make Alan Keyes look like Bill Klinton, Hell HE makes me look like Hillary!!!! Sorry, I am scared of Blacks that are more conservative then myself....
While I agreed with the second half of his article whole heartedly, the first half remids me of the KaliKommies with their half truths....
Wait till somebody calls him nigga once or twice, Maybe JC Watts, Condeleeza Rice and myself can get a good chuckle as he comes runnin home.........
AND SR15....race problems ARE a 2 way street...
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Do Toyota R&D guys in Nagakute Japan buy your products?
All the government has to offer is what they take from you. NEVER underestimate the power of stupid. كافر |
I've been in Cincy many times and always thought it was a cleaner than average large city. There is great irony here. In Civil War times the underground railroad used to smuggle blacks over the Ohio River from Kentucky to "freedom" in Ohio. Today's residents may consider that as a past mistake. Sad.
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Originally Posted By CavVet:
AND SR15....race problems ARE a 2 way street... View Quote |
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Watch, tell and/or learn the WHOLE truth....
While the abolitionists did indeed smuggle slaves thru Cincy, the slave trackers, after runaways, obtained their warrants to track in Ohio in Cincy....
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Do Toyota R&D guys in Nagakute Japan buy your products?
All the government has to offer is what they take from you. NEVER underestimate the power of stupid. كافر |
As far as looting, these guys are just opportunists. During the last LA riots, the majority of looting was done by Hispanics, who far outnumber the blacks in LA. I do believe blacks tend to be more violent than whites. The statistics are available. This is fact, it's been that way for years. I also believe blacks are more prone to target whites than whites target blacks. During the LA busing craze of the 70's, blacks were integrated into white schools mostly without problems, while the white kids were constantly harassed and robbed by blacks at the predominantly black schools. I have cousins who experienced it firsthand.
The problem is ultimately black culture. As long as blacks feel inferior to other races, lack self esteem, are raised in broken families, lack education, disregard the need for education, fail to accept the values of the majority, etc., then this problem will continue. Why is it that successful blacks are commonly referred to as "Uncle Tom"? As long as this attitude persists, that education and integration is a sellout, then there is no hope. Blacks seem to be their own worst enemy in this regard.
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
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Here`s my 02`.....we don`t need to go on and on with these kind of topics on this board anymore.....[rocket]
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CavVet, I don't doubt it. I learned that bit of info on a guided tour I took of the city on one of my many trips there. Now I know the "rest of the story." In any case the people there seemed proud that their city worked with the abolitionists. IMHO that is to their credit.
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I would add that the behavior we are seeing in Cincy is indicative of an underclass. Every race has these people, including whites. Ask the poor whites who migrated to CA during the Dust Bowl how they were treated by their fellow whites.
In any case, those whites who address blacks are niggers are of the same caliber as blacks who address whites as crackers or Asians as gooks. You can't let these aholes get you down. The vast majority of people are good, no matter the race. There will always be that 5% who are jerks.
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
as long as someone brout up LA riots....the thing i remember most about them...an asian dude, outside of his shop....shooting in both directions with his s&w (9mm?) "protecting" his property.....i don`t care what ANYBODY says...I`m with that guy!!!!!....B&G...[heavy]
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Originally Posted By CavVet:
Watch, tell and/or learn the WHOLE truth....
While the abolitionists did indeed smuggle slaves thru Cincy, the slave trackers, after runaways, obtained their warrants to track in Ohio in Cincy.... View Quote |
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My friend Gregg works for Rumpke Here in Cincinnati He drives a Garbage truck he was pulled from it today and beat up pretty good he neverdid anything but go to work. He Never shot noone or anything shame innocent bystanders get caught in the middle of this shit! all he was doing is making a living doing his job!
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The shit goin on in cincinnati has nothing to do with slavery.......people have to move on and get a life......candaleeza rice is a intelligent, sucessful person who devers a lot of respect.....get real people.......we`re NOT living in the 50`s or 60`s anymore......anyone who thinks so, now THERE is the PROBLEM.....criminals, no matter what race or origin... should be dealt with accordingly, and not with the objection of ANYONE, unless it is DEFINITELY proven to be unfairly....[heavy]
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Cav - you have the unenviable job of trying to fend off all the other posters here by yourself.
Although I admire the 'heart' - I aint buying it.
The original post voiced dismay over the apparent inability of the black "leadership" (a rather loose term which applies to Fat Rev Al Sharp-tone, [Twana Brawley fame LOL] or Calypso Louie) - they have never acknowledged that this form of behavior against innocent parties (Reginald Denny or area business owners) is unacceptable and only serves to deepen the problem.
In the end, events such as these and talk of reparations (oh gawd - don't even get me started here) make assimilation into the American melting nearly impossible.
Cav - like I said, I admire you for taking a stand - but in no way do I agree with you.
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Originally Posted By M4:
Originally Posted By CavVet:
Watch, tell and/or learn the WHOLE truth....
While the abolitionists did indeed smuggle slaves thru Cincy, the slave trackers, after runaways, obtained their warrants to track in Ohio in Cincy.... View Quote View Quote |
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Do Toyota R&D guys in Nagakute Japan buy your products?
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There are no legitimate excuses whatsoever. I for one am sick and tired of this BULLSH-T. These were just a bunch of racially motivated criminals, that probably would have beat innocent bystanders to death if they had an opportunity. And if I even stand up and state this obvious fact people like Cav-Vet label me a racist, for somehow noticing that the rioters were black. If the tables were turned and it was a bunch of white people going around and beating innocent blacks I would be outraged, I wouldn't give a sh-t that they had the same skin color as me. In the end all they where doing is beating innocent people whom had no defenses. And Cav-Vet, if you side with these "homies" just because they are black and despite the fact that they are "human" scum then you are either a criminal or extremely racist.-
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Hmmm, If it's all based on "Race" how do you explain the 750000 Blacks murdered by Blacks in Rwanda a few years ago...
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"Ammo will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no ammo..."
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Ricky,
Where exactly did I even mention your name, let alone brand you as anything? That is a stretch, imagining what I think about you.....
And it is YOU who go as far as to presume what I think about the so-called 'homies'(who YOU DO judge, then go on to judge me)...You do NOT know me, NOR what I think, unless it is stated...Neither of the above mentioned topics were discussed by me........The only fact you know when casting these aspersions, is that I AM Black.....hmmmmmmmm
Get a clue, and put the hate down....
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Do Toyota R&D guys in Nagakute Japan buy your products?
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simply put someones race has nothing to do with crime. culture however does wether your talking about the KKK or black panthers.
i do not blame blacks for the riots in cinn. i do however blame a culture of victimization just as i can blame a culture that believes black are inferior to whites and drag one behind a truck.
its all fun and games until a federal building blows up and takes out a daycare center.
imagine if that tragedy was performed by a black person trying to get revenge against the white establishment. should such a thing happen i would not hate blacks. i do not beleive in guilt by association or presumed association. it would be quite tragic if this mess came to that. we all need to stop with the BS now no matter what race you are.
saddened lib out...
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You know, I think a lot of people here are missing the point. Black, white, jew, asian...
Whatever.
It doesn't matter. People are looting, rioting, damaging property, and harming others.
It's NOT an acceptable situation. It needs to be dealt with. To those who mind their business, mind the curfew, and keep their loved ones safe by whatever means are necessary to do so, KUDOS.
My thoughts are with those of you stuck within Cinci tonight and for as long as it takes for this to be resolved.
Mike
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I know you said nothing about me and could probably could not care less about what I said. But I said "people like CavVet", there are people like you of all colors. I am talking about the people that label me as a racist if I point out the obvious. The reason I used your name was not because you were black, it was because you were the only one posting with your views. Your posts do seem sympathetic to the rioters, which I can not understand. The rioters are not people trying to make a political statement, they are trying to cause crime, hurt innocent people etc. I did say "if" you side with them, if I was wrong you could tell me that you thought what they did was wrong, and you do not agree with it. As far as "homies" go there are homies of all races. I think of homies as the ones who think beating unarmed random people, looting, vandalizing, and just being nuisances is cool. And yes I do judge these people because they are wrong.
Please tell me if you support these rioters, and if you do please tell me why. (Anybody)
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If the black community would listen to Alan Keys instead of Jesse Jaccson or Al Sharpton they would have better guidence. I have a few black friends and they are very nice.Funny as I was reading this, one of them was over talking to my wife. I think that Jesse and Al are using their own people to futher their pocket books. I really don't think they care a dam about the black community. They just want their bank account to grow. They say they are men of God but I don't want to be in their shoes when they stand in front of the almighty!I WOULD VOTE FOR ALAN KEYS OVER EVERY ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT RAN FOR PRESIDENT THIS ELECTION.AND THAT GOES FOR G.W.BUSH WHO I CASTED MY VOTE FOR AS A SECOND CHOICE.
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Originally Posted By Rickyj:
The reason I used your name was not because you were black, it was because you were the only one posting with your views. View Quote |
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Do Toyota R&D guys in Nagakute Japan buy your products?
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I want to post this that I forgot to mention. There is good and bad in all. I believe it is who is teaching you that is how people are molded. If you have sound and gust guidence you will be a person with the knowledge of right and wrong. And just for the record WHITE MALES TEND TO BE SERIAL KILLERS. I have a feiend who is a correction officer and he told me that and I noticed it myself. So there you go. It has to do with the up bringing and family life. Culture plays a big part.
I also think this topic should end before it gets out of hand. Lets talk about guns. Who bought a new gun lately?
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Originally Posted By CavVet:
Originally Posted By M4:
Originally Posted By CavVet:
Watch, tell and/or learn the WHOLE truth....
While the abolitionists did indeed smuggle slaves thru Cincy, the slave trackers, after runaways, obtained their warrants to track in Ohio in Cincy.... View Quote View Quote View Quote |
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كافر AMERICAN INFIDEL كافر
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HELL YES M4 I can not understand what the hell he defends them for. I know that if any of my white friends assaulted innocents (of any race) I would no longer be their friends. And yet he can not get the point, he defends these lowlifes for god knows what reason. Oh well, I guess I'll never know what its like to walk in your shoes. Oh wait it IS all right to beat innocents if you are "oppressed" I forgot. When the hell is America going to wake up? LOL
PS CavVet: Although you said you were done with this post I believe that you will respond. I have never been singled out for any reason, I will never know what its like to endure some pain. I have lived a life of pure joy simply because I am white. I Will NEVER know what it is like to walk a mile in your shoes. ROTFLMAO
And by the way would you answer my question?
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Question really is, "where are all those armed white guys, are they fleeing in their cowardice?"
YEP, JUST A BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS WHO ARE REALLY WOOSIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lougotzz, I really think you've got it backwards:
And just for the record WHITE MALES TEND TO BE SERIAL KILLERS. View Quote |
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I have to say, I do agree with the original post. And no, I do not think he is a racist. I am not either. But he made some seriously valid points. And why, tell me, why would one want to destroy their home/city/town etc? That proves nothing to me other than the obvious: No accountability, and shoved off as acceptable reaction. There is a lack of self control in certain communities, and I think we all know this. But, it is always excused unless, as mentioned in another post, it is something commited by a white person/persons. Then it would be a hate crime. Go figure.
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