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4/5/2008 1:36:38 PM EDT
www.nature.com/news/2008/080404/full/news.2008.738.html


If this were true, what would it mean? How would society change? How would the concept of rights and punishments change?


'Ruthlessness gene' discovered
Dictatorial behaviour may be partly genetic, study suggests.

Michael Hopkin


Could a gene be partly responsible for the behaviour of some of the worlds most infamous dictators?Selfish dictators may owe their behaviour partly to their genes, according to a study that claims to have found a genetic link to ruthlessness. The study might help to explain the money-grabbing tendencies of those with a Machiavellian streak — from national dictators down to 'little Hitlers' found in workplaces the world over.

Researchers at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem found a link between a gene called AVPR1a and ruthless behaviour in an economic exercise called the 'Dictator Game'. The exercise allows players to behave selflessly, or like money-grabbing dictators such as former Zaire President Mobutu, who plundered the mineral wealth of his country to become one of the world's richest men while its citizens suffered in poverty.

The researchers don't know the mechanism by which the gene influences behaviour. It may mean that for some, the old adage that "it is better to give than to receive" simply isn't true, says team leader Richard Ebstein. The reward centres in those brains may derive less pleasure from altruistic acts, he suggests, perhaps causing them to behave more selfishly.

Prosocial hormone
Ebstein and his colleagues decided to look at AVPR1a because it is known to produce receptors in the brain that detect vasopressin, a hormone involved in altruism and 'prosocial' behaviour. Studies of prairie voles have previously shown that this hormone is important for binding together these rodents' tight-knit social groups.

Ebstein's team wondered whether differences in how this receptor is expressed in the human brain may make different people more or less likely to behave generously.

To find out, they tested DNA samples from more than 200 student volunteers, before asking the students to play the dictator game (volunteers were not told the name of the game, lest it influence their behaviour). Students were divided into two groups: 'dictators' and 'receivers' (called 'A' and 'B' to the participants). Each dictator was told that they would receive 50 shekels (worth about US$14), but were free to share as much or as little of this with a receiver, whom they would never have to meet. The receiver's fortunes thus depended entirely on the dictator's generosity.

About 18% of all dictators kept all of the money, Ebstein and his colleagues report in the journal Genes, Brain and Behavior 1. About one-third split the money down the middle, and a generous 6% gave the whole lot away.

Long and short
There was no connection between the participants' gender and their behaviour, the team reports. But there was a link to the length of the AVPR1a gene: people were more likely to behave selfishly the shorter their version of this gene.

It isn't clear how the length of AVPR1a affects vasopressin receptors: it is thought that rather than controlling the number of receptors, it may control where in the brain the receptors are distributed. Ebstein suggests the vasopressin receptors in the brains of people with short AVPR1a may be distributed in such a way to make them less likely to feel rewarded by the act of giving.

Though the mechanism is unclear, Ebstein says, he is fairly sure that selfish, greedy dictatorship has a genetic component. It would be easier to confirm this if history's infamous dictators conveniently had living identical twins, he says, so we could see if they were just as ruthless as each other.

Keen players
Researchers should nevertheless be careful about using the relatively blunt tool of the Dictator Game to draw conclusions about human generosity, says Nicholas Bardsley at the University of Southampton, UK, who studies such games.

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His research suggests that players who routinely give money away as Dictators are also perfectly happy to steal money off other players in games that involve taking rather than giving. This suggests that the apparently more altruistic players in Ebstein's game may in fact be motivated by a desire simply to engage fully with the game, perhaps just because they feel that that is what's expected of them.

If that is true, then apparently ruthless dictators may be motivated not by out-and-out greed but by a simple lack of social skills, which leaves them unable to sense what's expected of them.

That certainly fits with the image of a naïve yet arrogant dictator with no sense of the inappropriateness of his actions and attitudes. Such figures have cropped up with surprising regularity throughout history, all the way from the emperors of Rome, through to Napoleon Bonaparte, Benito Mussolini, Saddam Hussein or Robert Mugabe, now tenaciously clinging to power in the face of uncertain electoral results.

4/5/2008 2:01:23 PM EDT
[#1]
Well then, let's just test for this gene at birth and put down any children found to be potential dictators.
4/5/2008 2:06:53 PM EDT
[#2]

Not at all surprising.

Other genes have also been identified linked to addictions, violence, alcoholism and intelligence.

Helps to explain, in part, many social trends.


I keep saying, the movie "Idiocracy" was prophetic genius.


4/5/2008 2:08:18 PM EDT
[#3]
  Malfunctioning pre-frontal lobes of the brain,when coupled with childhood abuse or neglect has been cited as the #1 contributor to sociopathic behavior!!!
4/5/2008 2:09:16 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Well then, let's just test for this gene at birth and put down any children found to be potential dictators.


Kinda scary, aint it?
4/5/2008 2:13:24 PM EDT
[#5]
I'm sure a T.V commercial will be along shortly selling a pill to stop it. It would be peaceful like a Valtrex commercial. Something like the mom saying "I used to worry about my son becoming a dictator but not any more".
4/5/2008 2:20:35 PM EDT
[#6]

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I'm sure a T.V commercial will be along shortly selling a pill to stop it. It would be peaceful like a Valtrex commercial. Something like the mom saying "I used to worry about my son becoming a dictator but not any more".


I'm sure that group we all know would want it banned!! Mustn't mess w/ genes ya know!!!
4/5/2008 2:59:11 PM EDT
[#7]
What would a world be like if we eliminated evil? Would it really be possible or would the definition of evil change to anthing that the powers that be do not like?

If there is no evil, can good exist?
4/5/2008 3:00:30 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Well then, let's just test for this gene at birth and put down any children found to be potential dictators.




We're not ready to become the UK just yet.
Give us about ten more years.
4/5/2008 3:00:40 PM EDT
[#9]

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What would a world be like if we eliminated evil? Would it really be possible or would the definition of evil change to anthing that the powers that be do not like?

If there is no evil, can good exist?


Yes, but it will harder to quantify due to fewer data points.
4/5/2008 3:17:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Vasopressin is involved in pro-social behavior? Vasopressin's an antidiuretic, its primary function in humans is to prevent you from pissing out too much water; it also causes vasoconstriction and jacks up your blood pressure.

I want a study performed first to see if the actions of that particular hormone in voles (not exactly a close relative of humans) is remotely similar to that in us human beings.
4/5/2008 3:18:17 PM EDT
[#11]
See? They were all victims.  It's not their fault, it's their genes.
4/5/2008 3:21:30 PM EDT
[#12]
AVPR1a? Is that some sort of advertisement for the Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem DVD?
4/5/2008 3:27:52 PM EDT
[#13]

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AVPR1a? Is that some sort of advertisement for the Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem DVD?

I thought it was going to be someone's screen name.
4/5/2008 3:31:18 PM EDT
[#14]
Prenatal gene mapping and correction will one day be mandatory so that we can all be "prosocial" good little worker bees.  What a utopian paradise awaits us.

Beware the Morloks.
4/5/2008 3:32:01 PM EDT
[#15]
I fear that as our knowledge about the marvel of design/evolution that is the human machine increases we are coming to view men as the product of their programming (Genetic and social).

That's a bad thing.
4/5/2008 3:44:05 PM EDT
[#16]

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I fear that as our knowledge about the marvel of design/evolution that is the human machine increases we are coming to view men as the product of their programming (Genetic and social).

That's a bad thing.


So true. God gave us free will. Some folks do evil things. No excuses. No pity for them.
4/5/2008 3:45:11 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I fear that as our knowledge about the marvel of design/evolution that is the human machine increases we are coming to view men as the product of their programming (Genetic and social).

That's a bad thing.


So true. God gave us free will. Some folks do evil things. No excuses. No pity for them.


Wonderful!!!
4/5/2008 3:47:20 PM EDT
[#18]
Yeah!  There's really no such thing as choice or free will.  It's all pre-programmed into us.  

4/5/2008 3:47:59 PM EDT
[#19]

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What would a world be like if we eliminated evil? Would it really be possible or would the definition of evil change to anthing that the powers that be do not like?

If there is no evil, can good exist?


Impossible to eradicate evil.  Man is fallen and as such, we are stained with sin.  Only one solution to that problem
4/5/2008 3:53:16 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
I fear that as our knowledge about the marvel of design/evolution that is the human machine increases we are coming to view men as the product of their programming (Genetic and social).

That's a bad thing.


So true. God gave us free will. Some folks do evil things. No excuses. No pity for them.


Wonderful!!!


Sorry if I offended you with my opinion that folks are responsible for their behavior and that a pill will not make it all go away. I'm sure there are many who would agree that most any behavior can be excused.
4/5/2008 3:53:55 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What would a world be like if we eliminated evil? Would it really be possible or would the definition of evil change to anthing that the powers that be do not like?

If there is no evil, can good exist?


Impossible to eradicate evil.  Man is fallen and as such, we are stained with sin.  Only one solution to that problem


What????   Burned at the stake!!!
4/5/2008 3:54:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Is it wrong to do what you think  is best for your country if you have the power to make it happen? Ruthlessness and the will to mete out terrible punishment have a place even in today's pussified world.

I guess I would be one of those thought of as evil If I was in a position of absolute power in the U.S.
4/5/2008 4:03:28 PM EDT
[#23]

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What????   Burned at the stake!!!


No, I believe he means Jesus.
4/5/2008 4:47:27 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What????   Burned at the stake!!!


No, I believe he means Jesus.




With these advances in medicine I'm afraid humans are starting to think we can play God's role.  That is what scares me.
4/5/2008 4:56:21 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
What????   Burned at the stake!!!


No, I believe he means Jesus.




With these advances in medicine I'm afraid humans are starting to think we can play God's role.  That is what scares me.


We are arrogant enought to try it......