Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city
authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.  
Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad
powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar
situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people
turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected
by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm
the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions
make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement
officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are
ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their
families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent
and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these
times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest
assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any
activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun
owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members
accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering
our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this
terrible natural disaster.

Sincerely,

Katrina Ruminski
NRA-ILA

"monitoring the situation"

Lip service. Yada yada yada.

It is about time they say something about it.  


ETA I don't think they said enough and were too PC

In other words....


Yup we see it...Whatcha want us to do about it?...



BTW: NRA LIFE MEMBER here.

Quoted: Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.   Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms. However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment. While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety. Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster. Sincerely, Katrina Ruminski NRA-ILA

I will translate.  Bend over lube up and grab your ankles.  More bullshit.

They have got to be kidding.

Quoted: Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.   Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms. However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment. While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety. Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster. Sincerely, Katrina Ruminski NRA-ILA

Were some of you expecting the NRA-ILA to air drop NRA attorneys into the NO area with yellow legal pads?

Quoted: Quoted: Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.   Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms. However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment. While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety. Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster. Sincerely, Katrina Ruminski NRA-ILA

For the non-beliver!!

INBOX: Email 1 of 3    
 


From: "ILA-Contact" <[email protected]> [Add to Address Book] [View Source]
To: XXXXXXXX
Subject: RE: ILA Contact
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:23:06 +0000


Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city
authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.  
Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad
powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar
situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people
turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected
by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm
the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions
make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement
officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are
ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their
families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent
and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these
times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest
assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any
activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun
owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members
accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering
our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this
terrible natural disaster.

Sincerely,

Katrina Ruminski
NRA-ILA


Contact Information
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First Name: xxxxxxx
Last Name: xxxxxxxx
Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
City: xxxxxxxx
State: xx
Zip: xxxxxxxx
Phone: xxxxxxxxxx
Fax:
Membership Number: 042707772
Email: xxxxxxxxxxxxx


comments:
_________________________________
As a long time member of the NRA, I am greatly alarmed at the unabashed &
illegal gun confiscation that is taking place in New Orleans (in the aftermath
of hurricane Katrina), and I demand the NRA use it's considerable political
clout to put this practice to an immediate end!

American citizens are having their legally owned firearms confiscated from them
by armed police & National Guard. Martial law has not been declared in the
city, thus there is NO legal justification for these actions! Law-abiding
AMERICANS are being denied their right to bear arms and their right to
self-defense at the point of the government's gun, and this must cease NOW!!!

I implore you. please use every penny & resource at the NRA's disposal to
see that the raping of our 2nd. Amendment ends now & that those responsible
for these unconstitutional actions pay a hefty price!

I look forward to your reply.

Thank you, xxxxxx xxxxxx

Quoted: "monitoring the situation" Lip service. Yada yada yada.

Yeah, they should just believe all the media reports and jump the gun like other groups have done.  After all the media is always right when it comes to reporting stories on firearms.  How dare the NRA actually look into the facts and do due diligence, they should just rant and rave like all the other ineffective gun groups.  

Her name is Katrina...fitting...

"Monitor the Situation"!?!?!?  Unless they unass and take a bunch of guys down there with guns blazing, I'll be proven right that the NRA does nothing for gun rights and won't give them another cent!

Quoted: Were some of you expecting the NRA-ILA to air drop NRA attorneys into the NO area with yellow legal pads?

Nope, just seek an injunction in federal court.

Instead the NRA will do nothing, then use the confiscation footage for a recruiting drive 6 months from now.

Quoted: "Monitor the Situation"!?!?!?  Unless they unass and take a bunch of guys down there with guns blazing, I'll be proven right that the NRA does nothing for gun rights and won't give them another cent!

Lead the charge!

Come on dude...

These are the replys I received from NRA /HQ and the NRA/ILA this afternoon:

From NRA/ILA

ILA-Contact <[email protected]> to me
More options 1:23 pm (26 minutes ago)

Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city. Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal. And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe. Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help. At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux. But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly. In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster.

Sincerely,

Katrina Ruminski
NRA-ILA

This one is from NRA/HQ

ILA-Contact <[email protected]> to me
More options 1:45 pm (9 minutes ago)

Thank you for contacting the NRA-ILA. Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city. Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal. And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe. Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help. At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux. But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly. In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster.

Sincerely,

Amanda Millward

Contact type: Refuse To Be A Victim

As you can see it's the same letter. I realize that each inquiry cannot be individually answered, however, I called after receiving the replys and talked with a young lady at the NRA/ILA. She said they had been swamped with calls all day and that this issue was getting top priority. She indicated the NRA was going to issue a public statement shortly, and the NRA Leadership was taking this issue very seriously. I hope the reason they are taking their time is to get their ducks all lined up in a row before taking action in court.

Quoted: Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.   Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms. However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment. While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety. Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster. Sincerely, Katrina Ruminski NRA-ILA

"Unduly," is a word and a half in this context; here, it means that the NRA will do nothing.  Any why are we surprised?

Quoted: Quoted: Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.   Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms. However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment. While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety. Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster. Sincerely, Katrina Ruminski NRA-ILA Meaning that the NRA will do nothing solicit donations.

Quoted: Quoted: Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster. NRA-ILA "Unduly," is a word and a half in this context; here, it means that the NRA will do nothing.  Any why are we surprised?

"...Shall not be infringed." Does not include the word 'unduly.' Fuck the NRA. My membership card is in the mail tomorrow. They can have it to go along with their liberal pandering and asskissing.

Quoted: Were some of you expecting the NRA-ILA to air drop NRA attorneys into the NO area with yellow legal pads?

YES. That would do for a start. At least they would be witnesses to the victimization of the puiblic at large being label "Holdouts" and physically abused at the the hands of the Nazis NOPD and LA State Police.
I have seen enough to know what is going down in NOLA is not kosher.

They are making the looters and gangbangers of the early days look like patriots in comparison.
At least their agenda was clear.

Quoted: Quoted: Were some of you expecting the NRA-ILA to air drop NRA attorneys into the NO area with yellow legal pads? Nope, just seek an injunction in federal court. Instead the NRA will do nothing, then use the confiscation footage for a recruiting drive 6 months from now.

How about an air drop to replace the weapons confiscated stolen from lawful citizens by .gov?

Why are ACLU lawyers so much more effective and agressive than NRA lawyers?  Both are civil rights organizations, but NRA seems unwilling to use the federal courts in the manner the ACLU routinely does.

Quoted: Why are ACLU lawyers so much more effective and agressive than NRA lawyers?  Both are civil rights organizations, but NRA seems unwilling to use the federal courts in the manner the ACLU routinely does.

ACLU doesn't work for gun owners or believe in the second ammendment apparently.

They are not only gutless, they are wrong.  I just did a search of the Louisiana Revised Statutes, and there are only two references to firearms and emergencies.  Both refer to the powers of the Governor during a state of emergency and they both say the same thing; that during a disaster or public health emergency, the Governor may "suspend or limit the sale, dispensing, or transportation of alcoholic beverages, firearms, explosives, and combustibles."  It says nothing about confiscating firearms from law-abiding citizens.

Links:

www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=85670

www.legis.state.la.us/lss/lss.asp?doc=207682

Ironically, I found out that both statutes do provide the Governor with the legal authority to forcibly remove the people still staying in New Orleans.

I'm glad I don't send money to political groups.

Quoted: Why are ACLU lawyers so much more effective and agressive than NRA lawyers?  Both are civil rights organizations, but NRA seems unwilling to use the federal courts in the manner the ACLU routinely does.

They're also much more willing to grandstand, pander, and outright lie to get their way.

Maybe if it had 20illion or more members they could do something about it.

How can only 4+million people possibly compensate for the 60+ million lazy almost liberal like petty gun owners?

Quoted: Quoted: Why are ACLU lawyers so much more effective and agressive than NRA lawyers?  Both are civil rights organizations, but NRA seems unwilling to use the federal courts in the manner the ACLU routinely does. ACLU doesn't work for gun owners or believe in the second ammendment apparently.

Obviously. But why can't the NRA use the same tactics the ACLU uses to stop this ongoing violation of the 2nd and 4th?

Translation....

"Hunting Rifles" are not being taken, so we dont have a problem with it.

Quoted: Were some of you expecting the NRA-ILA to air drop NRA attorneys into the NO area with yellow legal pads?

the entitlement minded closet liberal gun owners probably did. I swear everydau I am seeing more and more crybaby liberal like gun owners comming out of the closet.

Gun grabbers are taking note and probably loving it.

I have no idea how some of you can expect the NRA to do all you think it can when its apparent 95+% of gun owners dont eve give a crap about their second ammendment rights.

Quoted: I'm glad I don't send money to political groups.

So are the anti-gun groups...

Quoted: Quoted: I'm glad I don't send money to political groups. So are the anti-gun groups...

+10,000

We are our own worst enemy. I am amazed at how petty some of the things said are being used as a defence against stepping up and defending our rights. Pretty sickening actually.

.

This is put-up-or-shut-up time for the NRA.
If they don't try to do something about this than they are ultimately useless when it comes to a time when you really need 'em.
Sure they're great at letting me know what candidate here or there is anti-gun, but BFD?
I want to now that an organization that gets my money AND has that much political clout can actually make a real difference about an issue regarding guns--their sole purpose in existance.

If the goverment/LE can get away with doing this down there, and we had much bigger disaster, you can bet the .gov will pull this shit again. If it worked for them once, you can bet doing it a second time is going to be even easier for them.

It was put-up-or-shut-up time for them when the California ban came on, it was time for them to show their resolve with every other issue to come since then. The NRA will always fail, because all they are now is a "feel good" organization that just wants your money, so they can keep their jobs and status as do-gooders.

tagging because I am going to an NRA dinner tonight and if there is anything interesting said, I want to be able to pass it along.  Not that I expect anything, but you just never know.

Quoted: Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.   Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms. However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment. While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety. Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster. Sincerely, Katrina Ruminski NRA-ILA

And gun CONFISCATION isnt an activity that "unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners"

Blah, Blah, we dont care send money Blah Blah Blah!

I guess I can expect more mail from the NRA/ILA requesting additional money so they can help rectify this situation in their own due time, if ever.

Quoted: Numerous media sources are reporting on an apparent campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city.   Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms. However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others-the Second Amendment. While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.  And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe.  Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones; especially when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help.  At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety. Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux.  But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly.  In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster. Sincerely, Katrina Ruminski NRA-ILA

I got the same form e-mail 3 time

Then I sent one that said, "The GOA is on the ball. Where is the NRA?"

I can't say that I expect any action from the NRA. They will without a doubt ask for more money, they always do. It's my persional opinion that the NRA LOVES these kinds of incidents as they will tout these in order to sell more memberships and beg for more donations. I've found the NRA totally ineffectual in California, it's also my opinion that in the past, the NRA has used California as an example of "What can happen to you if you don't join us now" bit and California became the showcase for gun control legislation, this has been a big marketing technique for the NRA. It wouldn't surprise me if the NRA use the confiscations in NO to the same end.

The form letters should serve to demonstrate the level of concern the NRA will show here. I am however waiting to see what the GOA will do as IMHO, they have a better track record in making a stink about violations of the 2nd.

Quoted: Quoted: "monitoring the situation" Lip service. Yada yada yada. Yeah, they should just believe all the media reports and jump the gun like other groups have done.  After all the media is always right when it comes to reporting stories on firearms.  How dare the NRA actually look into the facts and do due diligence, they should just rant and rave like all the other ineffective gun groups.

+1

I guess you guys have already forgotten about the NRA stepping up and taking their convention out of OH because of their recent legislation. It sickens me how most of you are reacting to this.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "monitoring the situation" Lip service. Yada yada yada. Yeah, they should just believe all the media reports and jump the gun like other groups have done.  After all the media is always right when it comes to reporting stories on firearms.  How dare the NRA actually look into the facts and do due diligence, they should just rant and rave like all the other ineffective gun groups.   +1 I guess you guys have already forgotten about the NRA stepping up and taking their convention out of OH because of their recent legislation. It sickens me how most of you are reacting to this.

It's sickens me how you can be so easily swayed by the NRA's removal of the convention in OH over their gun legislation when that is when OH needed them the most. I don't know what's worse, the Liberal sheeple DUmmies that are anti gun or the Sheeple that are so easily duped into thinking that everything that comes out of the mouth of the NRA is gold.

ETA:
The NRA wern't "Stepping up", they got BUTTSORE, picked up their toys and left the playground, sniveling like an 8 year old that got socked by the school bully.

This is without a doubt the most serious infringement on the RTKBA I have ever seen. In fact this is the most serious threat to our basic liberties I have ever seen! The NRA seems to be trying to sweep it under the goddamn rug! Form letters, baaaahhh! Fuck em!

I can't believe the reluctance of the media to report this, the priemier 'gun rights' organization blowing it off, the LEO's and Guardsmen willingly wiping their asses with the constitution, and  their breatheren willingly backing them up!

This is indeed a sad day in the history of this nation and flies in the face of every single soul who ever laid down his / her life in defending the very freedoms of which we are now being robbed!

I certainly hope that those responsible aren't just flat out assasinated. That would be wrong. They should stand trial for treason.

EFS

Quoted: This is without a doubt the most serious infringement on the RTKBA I have ever seen. In fact this is the most serious threat to our basic liberties I have ever seen! The NRA seems to be trying to sweep it under the goddamn rug! Form letters, baaaahhh! Fuck em! I can't believe the reluctance of the media to report this, the premier 'gun rights' organization blowing it off, the LEO's and Guardsmen willingly wiping their asses with the constitution, and  their bretheren willingly backing them up! This is indeed a sad day in the history of this nation and flies in the face of every single soul who ever laid down his / her life in defending the very freedoms of which we are now being robbed! I certainly hope that those responsible aren't just flat out assasinated. That would be wrong. They should stand trial for treason. EFS

Mirrors my thoughts.
Pretty much a concise summary of what is happening, IMO.
Why the hell do so few people outside of this forum seem to give a damn, or even be aware?

Why the hell do so few people outside of this thread seen to give a damn, or even be aware?

 No body wants to give too much of a shit due to what it will take to reverse what has happened. The consequenses of going against the JBT's on this and their Liberal ass leaders would only to often prove fatal. It would be a blood bath and the guy holding up in his home refusing to give up his weapons is the one who will ultimatly pay in blood.  Have you seen the Video's of the JBT's Kicking in doors with weapons at the ready these guys are dying to shoot someone anyone who gets in their way. Too many of us no longer have what it takes to stand up regardless of the outcome, and fight for what we know to be right. We have been reprogrammed by mass media to wonder about our own sanity when we start thinking that we actually have God given rights that are worth fighting for.  Rest assured any group or individual that comes out against this will be painted as Anti civilized right wing wack jobs or mentally unstable crackpots who just love the thought of shooting someone in the defense of our homes or lives. We as Gunowners and Constitutionalists have been demonized in the media for years and its no longer subtle. The fucking Liberals think the Constitution is a living Document that is well past needing to be rewritten, and that we as 2nd Amendment types are way past the times and have no place in our modern society.
Where do I stand.........I have the same considerations as many that will or have had to face that reality. I have a 2 1/2 year sold son I would dearly love to see grow up and make me proud, I have a wife that means the world to me that I would hate to leave, I have a job and freinds and a life. I just hope  that if the day comes here I can stand on my honor and my pride and not walk away from the fight.
Semper Fi

Quoted: Why the hell do so few people outside of this thread seen to give a damn, or even be aware?  No body wants to give too much of a shit due to what it will take to reverse what has happened. The consequenses of going against the JBT's on this and their Liberal ass leaders would only to often prove fatal. It would be a blood bath and the guy holding up in his home refusing to give up his weapons is the one who will ultimatly pay in blood.  Have you seen the Video's of the JBT's Kicking in doors with weapons at the ready these guys are dying to shoot someone anyone who gets in their way. Too many of us no longer have what it takes to stand up regardless of the outcome, and fight for what we know to be right. We have been reprogrammed by mass media to wonder about our own sanity when we start thinking that we actually have God given rights that are worth fighting for.  Rest assured any group or individual that comes out against this will be painted as Anti civilized right wing wack jobs or mentally unstable crackpots who just love the thought of shooting someone in the defense of our homes or lives. We as Gunowners and Constitutionalists have been demonized in the media for years and its no longer subtle. The fucking Liberals think the Constitution is a living Document that is well past needing to be rewritten, and that we as 2nd Amendment types are way past the times and have no place in our modern society. Where do I stand.........I have the same considerations as many that will or have had to face that reality. I have a 2 1/2 year sold son I would dearly love to see grow up and make me proud, I have a wife that means the world to me that I would hate to leave, I have a job and freinds and a life. I just hope  that if the day comes here I can stand on my honor and my pride and not walk away from the fight. Semper Fi

Pretty good answer. Thanks for taking the time.

Quoted: Why are ACLU lawyers so much more effective and agressive than NRA lawyers?  Both are civil rights organizations, but NRA seems unwilling to use the federal courts in the manner the ACLU routinely does.

A good question, that folks should use, to get a clue..........

I often wonder if people really believe "they" can be so "inept", by accident....... Same with most so-called "pro-american" groups/parties/foundations/magazines.


The fix is in. Your vote means ZERO.                          

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "monitoring the situation" Lip service. Yada yada yada. Yeah, they should just believe all the media reports and jump the gun like other groups have done.  After all the media is always right when it comes to reporting stories on firearms.  How dare the NRA actually look into the facts and do due diligence, they should just rant and rave like all the other ineffective gun groups.   +1 I guess you guys have already forgotten about the NRA stepping up and taking their convention out of OH because of their recent legislation. It sickens me how most of you are reacting to this. It's sickens me how you can be so easily swayed by the NRA's removal of the convention in OH over their gun legislation when that is when OH needed them the most. I don't know what's worse, the Liberal sheeple DUmmies that are anti gun or the Sheeple that are so easily duped into thinking that everything that comes out of the mouth of the NRA is gold. ETA: The NRA wern't "Stepping up", they got BUTTSORE, picked up their toys and left the playground, sniveling like an 8 year old that got socked by the school bully.

umm, the removal of the convention was a political statement in response to what OH was doing. They didn't abandon them. Anyway that was only the most recent example and it was you and the other people in this thread that were saying the same about that as you are now. Don't you think it would be wise for the NRA to gather all the facts before charging in? Give them a chance to fucking do something before you go spouting shit on them.  I'd also like to know what you are going to do personally about the 2nd after you quit supporting the NRA.

Quoted: Quoted: Why the hell do so few people outside of this forum seem to give a damn, or even be aware?

Thank a "Teacher"............


(you know, the edukators", of our Nation!!!)                  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "monitoring the situation" Lip service. Yada yada yada. Yeah, they should just believe all the media reports and jump the gun like other groups have done.  After all the media is always right when it comes to reporting stories on firearms.  How dare the NRA actually look into the facts and do due diligence, they should just rant and rave like all the other ineffective gun groups.   +1 I guess you guys have already forgotten about the NRA stepping up and taking their convention out of OH because of their recent legislation. It sickens me how most of you are reacting to this. It's sickens me how you can be so easily swayhed by the NRA's removal of the convention in OH over their gun legislation when that is when OH needed them the most. I don't know what's worse, the Liberal sheeple DUmmies that are anti gun or the Sheeple that are so easily duped into thinking that everything that comes out of the mouth of the NRA is gold. ETA: The NRA wern't "Stepping up", they got BUTTSORE, picked up their toys and left the playground, sniveling like an 8 year old that got socked by the school bully. umm, the removal of the convention was a political statement in response to what OH was doing. They didn't abandon them. Anyway that was only the most recent example and it was you and the other people in this thread that were saying the same about that as you are now. Don't you think it would be wise for the NRA to gather all the facts before charging in?   Give them a chance to fucking do something before you go spouting shit on them.  I'd also like to know what you are going to do personally about the 2nd after you quit supporting the NRA.

Goddamn, man....just watch the video. That's all the proof anyone should need!!! Christ, it was done by an ABC, (read liberal left wing network), news crew. You only have to show me video of Sons-a-bitches confiscating firearms with a voice over by an ABC reporter talking about confiscating firearms once. I don't need hit in the fucking head with a sledgehammer to know it's happening! When a left wing liberal media news report is having a problem with the legality of the acts being filmed...it is blatently apparent the fecal matter has impacted the ocilating blades!

How can the 'great NRA second amendment freedom fighters' watch this report and NOT even mention it 36 hours later on their website?

Quoted: I can't say that I expect any action from the NRA. They will without a doubt ask for more money, they always do. It's my persional opinion that the NRA LOVES these kinds of incidents as they will tout these in order to sell more memberships and beg for more donations. I've found the NRA totally ineffectual in California, it's also my opinion that in the past, the NRA has used California as an example of "What can happen to you if you don't join us now" bit and California became the showcase for gun control legislation, this has been a big marketing technique for the NRA. It wouldn't surprise me if the NRA use the confiscations in NO to the same end.

Exactly.