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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:08:36 PM EDT
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When you're checking the voltage what legs are you checking?
And did you try pulling the little chains? 
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:09:04 PM EDT
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Whats the OHM reading across the switch with the wires unhooked?
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:10:14 PM EDT
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When you're checking the voltage what legs are you checking? And did you try pulling the little chains? Ground to hot. I'm thinking the voltage isn't the issue though, if the outlet is functioning properly? |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:10:31 PM EDT
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Whats the OHM reading across the switch with the wires unhooked? BRB |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:10:56 PM EDT
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In for the little chain pulling ,"oh fuck" moment.
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:13:00 PM EDT
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Need voltage readings....assuming the switched outlet is working fine...maybe Neutral gone in the Fan tap?
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:13:15 PM EDT
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Is there a romex at the ceiling? A white, black , and a bare copper ground?
Sounds like someone fished a wire up from a switched outlet for the fan. Check the connections in the outlet too.
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:14:53 PM EDT
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Missing a ground?
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:15:16 PM EDT
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When you're checking the voltage what legs are you checking? And did you try pulling the little chains? Ground to hot. I'm thinking the voltage isn't the issue though, if the outlet is functioning properly? Yes, voltage can be an issue. Lights may work but a motor is a entirely different thing. Also, check hot to return voltage. Hot to ground tells you that you have power to the outlet, It doesn't tell you if you have a return path. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:15:40 PM EDT
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Need voltage readings....assuming the switched outlet is working fine...maybe Neutral gone in the Fan tap? What readings do you need? From ground to hot with switch off, voltage is 0. With switch on, voltage is 122v at both the ceiling and outlet. I just took the switch completely out of the equation, took the wires off of it and nutted them together. Same voltage at ceiling and outlet. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:16:34 PM EDT
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When you're checking the voltage what legs are you checking? And did you try pulling the little chains? Ground to hot. I'm thinking the voltage isn't the issue though, if the outlet is functioning properly? Yes, voltage can be an issue. Lights may work but a motor is a entirely different thing. Even the light kit on the fan doesn't come on. And yes, I pulled the little cords.
ETA: What could I plug into the outlet to test draw? I plugged in a computer with a 500w power supply and it turned on. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:17:53 PM EDT
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In for some asshat reversed wire colors and the Op just needs to swap the black and white.... I found this in a house someone had used white for the hot from the plug up to the ceiling fan.
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:18:10 PM EDT
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When you're checking the voltage what legs are you checking? And did you try pulling the little chains? Ground to hot. I'm thinking the voltage isn't the issue though, if the outlet is functioning properly? Yes, voltage can be an issue. Lights may work but a motor is a entirely different thing. Even the light kit on the fan doesn't come on. And yes, I pulled the little cords.
ETA: What could I plug into the outlet to test draw? I plugged in a computer with a 500w power supply and it turned on. Are you sure it's wired correctly? |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:18:15 PM EDT
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your power is fine, you fan is bad
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:19:18 PM EDT
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In for the little chain pulling ,"oh fuck" moment. Zactly what I was thinking |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:19:33 PM EDT
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When you're checking the voltage what legs are you checking? And did you try pulling the little chains? Ground to hot. I'm thinking the voltage isn't the issue though, if the outlet is functioning properly? Yes, voltage can be an issue. Lights may work but a motor is a entirely different thing. Even the light kit on the fan doesn't come on. And yes, I pulled the little cords.
ETA: What could I plug into the outlet to test draw? I plugged in a computer with a 500w power supply and it turned on. Are you sure it's wired correctly? I would guess, if only because the old fan in there (with light kit) worked just fine for 8 years. (and I installed that one too) |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:20:09 PM EDT
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your power is fine, you fan is bad Yeah, I doubt that, since I bought a new one. I know my first post was long and all... |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:20:23 PM EDT
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you should check volts with the hot leg and the neutral leg of the circuit
typically the hot is black and the neutral is white |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:20:27 PM EDT
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You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot.
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:20:42 PM EDT
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your power is fine, you fan is bad Based on information to date I would go with this or incorrectly installed. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:20:48 PM EDT
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You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. 2 in a row with the same comment. BRB. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:22:41 PM EDT
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Need voltage readings....assuming the switched outlet is working fine...maybe Neutral gone in the Fan tap? What readings do you need? From ground to hot with switch off, voltage is 0. With switch on, voltage is 122v at both the ceiling and outlet. I just took the switch completely out of the equation, took the wires off of it and nutted them together. Same voltage at ceiling and outlet. K, 120 between hot to Neutral is correct, your good there.......Does the fan have a light pack on it? Does it work? If you are getting 120 on the wires in the ceiling, either you fan is bad, wired wrong or as others are saying...your missing something {pull switch} :) |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:22:44 PM EDT
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your power is fine, you fan is bad Yeah, I doubt that, since I bought a new one. I know my first post was long and all... It's not impossible. Wire it up to a plug and plug it into a known outlet to eliminate that possibility. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:24:40 PM EDT
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Need voltage readings....assuming the switched outlet is working fine...maybe Neutral gone in the Fan tap? What readings do you need? From ground to hot with switch off, voltage is 0. With switch on, voltage is 122v at both the ceiling and outlet. I just took the switch completely out of the equation, took the wires off of it and nutted them together. Same voltage at ceiling and outlet. K, 120 between hot to Neutral is correct, your good there.......Does the fan have a light pack on it? Does it work? If you are getting 120 on the wires in the ceiling, either you fan is bad, wired wrong or as others are saying...your missing something {pull switch} :) Well... Nope. At the outlet neutral to hot? 120v. At the switch box neutral to hot? 120v. At the fan neutral to hot? 0v. Broken neutral somewhere? Guess I'll have to climb up in the attic. 
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:25:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: your power is fine, you fan is bad Yeah, I doubt that, since I bought a new one. I know my first post was long and all... its happened. go plug it into another recep and see if it works |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:26:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. hell get the same thing |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:27:33 PM EDT
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You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. hell get the same thing Wrong. i didn't. From neutral to hot at the ceiling fan, I get 0v. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:28:46 PM EDT
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Need voltage readings....assuming the switched outlet is working fine...maybe Neutral gone in the Fan tap? What readings do you need? From ground to hot with switch off, voltage is 0. With switch on, voltage is 122v at both the ceiling and outlet. I just took the switch completely out of the equation, took the wires off of it and nutted them together. Same voltage at ceiling and outlet. K, 120 between hot to Neutral is correct, your good there.......Does the fan have a light pack on it? Does it work? If you are getting 120 on the wires in the ceiling, either you fan is bad, wired wrong or as others are saying...your missing something {pull switch} :) Well... Nope. At the outlet neutral to hot? 120v. At the switch box neutral to hot? 120v. At the fan neutral to hot? 0v. Broken neutral somewhere? Guess I'll have to climb up in the attic. K, you lost it somewhere....now you need to find weather the line is leaving the switch to the fan, or from the outlet to the fan...."typically" there is a bad connection/burnout or something, RARELY does it happen n the middle {inside the wall/ceiling} Check the connections at the switch and pull out outlet, IF it's at the outlet, make sure it not a "stab-back" wire job.....I never use them because of the issues they cause. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:30:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: at the fan or in the recepQuoted: Quoted: You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. hell get the same thing Wrong. i didn't. From neutral to hot at the ceiling fan, I get 0v. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:30:51 PM EDT
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I've had this problem before. The power wire had rubbed through the insulation and was touching copper. I got resistance and power but when the current flowed it got drained out through the copper. Trace the wire and look for bad spots.
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:31:20 PM EDT
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K, you lost it somewhere....now you need to find weather the line is leaving the switch to the fan, or from the outlet to the fan...."typically" there is a bad connection/burnout or something, RARELY does it happen n the middle {inside the wall/ceiling} Check the connections at the switch and pull out outlet, IF it's at the outlet, make sure it not a "stab-back" wire job.....I never use them because of the issues they cause. I pulled the switch of the wall, connections look good there. Outlet is the end of the leg and it reads right between the hot and neutral. Guessing it has to be in the ceiling. Oh well. At least it's not 120 yet and the attic shouldn't be completely unbearable. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:32:59 PM EDT
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You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. hell get the same thing He didn't. My guess is that the wire came loose at the outlet. Most likely the switch goes to the outlet first then runs to the fan. Either that or you have a squirrel/possum to take care of. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:34:06 PM EDT
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Could be...I had a call to a guys house that lost his flood lights...turned out either a rat or squirrel chewed up the sheathing and it shorted out.....I never found the carcass, and there was NOW WAY that animal could have lived through that........
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:34:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: K, you lost it somewhere....now you need to find weather the line is leaving the switch to the fan, or from the outlet to the fan...."typically" there is a bad connection/burnout or something, RARELY does it happen n the middle {inside the wall/ceiling} Check the connections at the switch and pull out outlet, IF it's at the outlet, make sure it not a "stab-back" wire job.....I never use them because of the issues they cause. I pulled the switch of the wall, connections look good there. Outlet is the end of the leg and it reads right between the hot and neutral. Guessing it has to be in the ceiling. Oh well. At least it's not 120 yet and the attic shouldn't be completely unbearable. before you go pulling wires and shit did you get that reading in the fan, or from the recep? these problems typically arent complicated requiring rewiring and all sorts of shit. the simplest solution tends to be the right one |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:34:27 PM EDT
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You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. hell get the same thing Wrong. i didn't. From neutral to hot at the ceiling fan, I get 0v. Remember, you are checking DIFFERENTIAL, 0v hot to neutral with no load is good. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:35:02 PM EDT
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You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. hell get the same thing Wrong. i didn't. From neutral to hot at the ceiling fan, I get 0v. As I suspected it is an open neutral. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:35:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: K, you lost it somewhere....now you need to find weather the line is leaving the switch to the fan, or from the outlet to the fan...."typically" there is a bad connection/burnout or something, RARELY does it happen n the middle {inside the wall/ceiling} Check the connections at the switch and pull out outlet, IF it's at the outlet, make sure it not a "stab-back" wire job.....I never use them because of the issues they cause. I pulled the switch of the wall, connections look good there. Outlet is the end of the leg and it reads right between the hot and neutral. Guessing it has to be in the ceiling. Oh well. At least it's not 120 yet and the attic shouldn't be completely unbearable. yeah, well, the fact that something WAS working then STOPPED working meant you were going up in the attic all along. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:36:47 PM EDT
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You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. hell get the same thing He didn't. My guess is that the wire came loose at the outlet. Most likely the switch goes to the outlet first then runs to the fan. Either that or you have a squirrel/possum to take care of. Switch goes to the outlet last. I thought I had resolved the wiring problems in the ceiling last year. I replaced this wiring, but must have done something wrong or missed this run. This is what I found up there once... 
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:36:47 PM EDT
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K, you lost it somewhere....now you need to find weather the line is leaving the switch to the fan, or from the outlet to the fan...."typically" there is a bad connection/burnout or something, RARELY does it happen n the middle {inside the wall/ceiling} Check the connections at the switch and pull out outlet, IF it's at the outlet, make sure it not a "stab-back" wire job.....I never use them because of the issues they cause. I pulled the switch of the wall, connections look good there. Outlet is the end of the leg and it reads right between the hot and neutral. Guessing it has to be in the ceiling. Oh well. At least it's not 120 yet and the attic shouldn't be completely unbearable. wait.....the outlet is the end of the line? So you have ONE blk/wht/bare there? k...so it's fed from the switch.....how many sets are at the switch? |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:37:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: The only way you can get 120V hot to ground at the fan but 0V hot to neutral would be a hot to neutral short near the fan but that should trip the breaker and if it is wired to the fan then to the outlet you should see the same scenario at both. Quoted: Quoted: You keep saying ground to hot, you need to tell us what you get from neutral to hot. hell get the same thing Wrong. i didn't. From neutral to hot at the ceiling fan, I get 0v. |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:38:01 PM EDT
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K, you lost it somewhere....now you need to find weather the line is leaving the switch to the fan, or from the outlet to the fan...."typically" there is a bad connection/burnout or something, RARELY does it happen n the middle {inside the wall/ceiling} Check the connections at the switch and pull out outlet, IF it's at the outlet, make sure it not a "stab-back" wire job.....I never use them because of the issues they cause. I pulled the switch of the wall, connections look good there. Outlet is the end of the leg and it reads right between the hot and neutral. Guessing it has to be in the ceiling. Oh well. At least it's not 120 yet and the attic shouldn't be completely unbearable. yeah, well, the fact that something WAS working then STOPPED working meant you were going up in the attic all along. I was hoping it was the fan itself... Up I go. i'll report what I find, if the rabid possums don't get me.
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:42:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: K, you lost it somewhere....now you need to find weather the line is leaving the switch to the fan, or from the outlet to the fan...."typically" there is a bad connection/burnout or something, RARELY does it happen n the middle {inside the wall/ceiling} Check the connections at the switch and pull out outlet, IF it's at the outlet, make sure it not a "stab-back" wire job.....I never use them because of the issues they cause. I pulled the switch of the wall, connections look good there. Outlet is the end of the leg and it reads right between the hot and neutral. Guessing it has to be in the ceiling. Oh well. At least it's not 120 yet and the attic shouldn't be completely unbearable. yeah, well, the fact that something WAS working then STOPPED working meant you were going up in the attic all along. I was hoping it was the fan itself... Up I go. i'll report what I find, if the rabid possums don't get me. if youve answered i missed it, at the recep itself you are getting 120 hot to ground and 0 hot to neutral? |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:45:14 PM EDT
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Think he's in the attic....might be getting gnawed on by a rabid animal, or shocked......{hope not}
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:46:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Think he's in the attic....might be getting gnawed on by a rabid animal, or shocked......{hope not} hopefully for his sake hes not wasting his time... people tend to blow these situations out of proportion. very rarely is it not a quick fix |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:49:06 PM EDT
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Think he's in the attic....might be getting gnawed on by a rabid animal, or shocked......{hope not} hopefully for his sake hes not wasting his time... people tend to blow these situations out of proportion. very rarely is it not a quick fix It could be a chewed up wire.....I am leaning towards a bad tap or lost neutral in the path. I ALWAYS make the mistake of looking for the hard shit....ends up being something stupid like a tap, stab-back came free....or the damn pull chain 
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:50:57 PM EDT
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Need to start a wager on who is right....lol maybe a paid membership, paid by the OP
Fixed, OP should pay for membership for our knowledge if it turns out to be pull chain
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:53:00 PM EDT
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Hmmm.
I'm telling you, it is one of 2 things. Either a wire was ADDED from the plug UP TO the light.....check splice INSIDE OF RECEPTACLE BOX OR a wire was fished from LIGHT DOWN TO THE RECEPTACLE....check the splice inside the LIGHT BOX. Why do you people have this guy crawling around in his attic?
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:54:43 PM EDT
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Hmmm. I'm telling you, it is one of 2 things. Either a wire was ADDED from the plug UP TO the light.....check splice INSIDE OF RECEPTACLE BOX OR a wire was fished from LIGHT DOWN TO THE RECEPTACLE....check the splice inside the LIGHT BOX. Why do you people have this guy crawling around in his attic? We sugg. a tap or stab-back came loose...he said all was correct.....
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:56:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hmmm. I'm telling you, it is one of 2 things. Either a wire was ADDED from the plug UP TO the light.....check splice INSIDE OF RECEPTACLE BOX OR a wire was fished from LIGHT DOWN TO THE RECEPTACLE....check the splice inside the LIGHT BOX. Why do you people have this guy crawling around in his attic? because people blow these situations out of proportion. if im understanding whats going on his readings at the recep or normal, theyre screwy in the fan |
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Posted: 5/1/2011 4:56:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: Lol....Quoted: Hmmm. I'm telling you, it is one of 2 things. Either a wire was ADDED from the plug UP TO the light.....check splice INSIDE OF RECEPTACLE BOX OR a wire was fished from LIGHT DOWN TO THE RECEPTACLE....check the splice inside the LIGHT BOX. Why do you people have this guy crawling around in his attic? We sugg. a tap or stab-back came loose...he said all was correct..... |
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