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Posted: 12/28/2005 9:53:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 10:06:55 PM EDT by Manic_Moran]
If you have any, and I mean, any interest in modern military aviation, or joint warfare, this is a must-see.

www.patricksaviation.com/videos.php?action=view&id=341

It's about 8 minutes long, 54MB download, and well worth every byte. Its billed as 'Argentine air forces in the Falklands', but is actually pretty even-handed. (Just ignore that one painting of a Skyhawk bombing HMS Invincible) Contains a lot of video footage I've never seen before, to include Arg. aircraft getting obliterated (Literally) by SAMs, and HMS Antelope's magazine explosion, which I had only ever seen stills of.

I'm not kidding. Download it. It's a keeper. It was a real fight, not something like Iraq where people went around bombing with near impunity.

NTM
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:54:40 PM EDT
tagged
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 9:55:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/28/2005 9:58:25 PM EDT by FieroLoki]
Hehe, im pulling 2MB/sec w00t


edit: meh, not bad I guess
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:04:28 PM EDT
i guess YOU are why the page still hasnt loaded at all yet over here....
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 10:05:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By soccermike7:
i guess YOU are why the page still hasnt loaded at all yet over here....



I was done aloooooooong time ago.
Link Posted: 12/28/2005 11:11:20 PM EDT
Cool watching the Mirages jinking back and forth during their runs at the ships..
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:04:39 AM EDT
It would be cool if some shitmouth had not screwed it up with the gayest music known to man
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:06:29 AM EDT
tag for home
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:28:32 AM EDT
Excellent video, cheers!

+1 on the soundtrack though
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 12:41:21 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 1:29:54 AM EDT
Seemed like a bit of a pro-Argentine bent to the video, but some good scenes in there.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 1:57:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 1:59:22 AM EDT
tag so I can see at home...
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 2:02:42 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 2:27:29 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:04:13 AM EDT
tag - no sound here at the office (Shhh! I'm trying to look busy.)
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:22:28 AM EDT
That was quite a scrap, what?

I love Harriers.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:28:25 AM EDT
tag 4 later
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:32:14 AM EDT
tag for home
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:44:26 AM EDT
man that took forever to D/L...like 23 seconds!!!!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:47:06 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 3:54:58 AM EDT
man that took forever to D/L...like 23 seconds!!!!

Two questions-
1. what the heck was this battle about? (i was too young to care when it happened)

2. would modern Phalnax (sp) weapons been adequate to take down the missles and/or the planes-they looked pretty close to the ships.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:00:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cleatus:

Two questions-
1. what the heck was this battle about? (i was too young to care when it happened)




Run a google search on the Falklands War. There's a ton of info out there about it. Very interesting fight, both the whys and the hows.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:05:41 AM EDT
was hoping for the cliff notes
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:06:20 AM EDT
.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:09:16 AM EDT
thumbnail sketch, the falklands (brit)/malvinas (arg) islands are off the coast of arg. arg claims it, gb owns it. arg decided to take it away, gb decided to take it back. we sat here looking confused and bleating "can't we all just get along?"

both armies were fairly evenly matched as far as sea and air power (land forces not so evenly matched).

gb won. much buggery for all! w00t!!! (if you believe the accusations/rumors)
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:19:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
we sat here looking confused and bleating "can't we all just get along?"




Actually, the Argies were ticked at the US for giving intel (satellite, etc.) to the Brits.

We were in the situation of having commitments to our allies, the Brits, and commitments to Argentina in treaties in this hemisphere.

I read a good article about the Harrier pilots using VIFfing (Vector In Flight?) to outmaneuver Argentine jets. It is a technique of using thrust vectoring from the engine nozzles in conjunction with their flight controls to do some pretty amazing things.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:20:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2005 4:23:14 AM EDT by hardcorps1775]
ok vid. the paintings were definitely st00pid and the soundtrack is ABSOLUTELY teh ghey!!!

ETA: yeah, i was being a little facetious. the war was weird, kinda like seeing two of your bros fighting...

that harrier tactic is now taught to our harrier pilots!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:24:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lennster:
It would be cool if some shitmouth had not screwed it up with the gayest music known to man




First time I’ve ever heard “November Rain” by Guns n’ Roses referred to being gay.



It's an OK video IMO.

The same site has my favorite F-15 video.
Where Eagle's Fly
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:31:09 AM EDT
Here is some of the British side of the conflict. www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/index.html
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:33:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:43:19 AM EDT



Originally Posted By vito113:
The Falklands War; aka 'The Empire Strikes Back'

Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:51:12 AM EDT
Tag for home
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 4:51:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:
The same site has my favorite F-15 video.
Where Eagle's Fly


another ok vid...man, anyone remember that vid set to the doors (i think) where the pilot had a camcorder in his cockpit? THAT was awesome!
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 5:01:03 AM EDT
The best one? The one that comes on when the TV stations are shutting down. The F-16,with the National Anthem sung by the Air Force Chior,and ending with,AMERICA, MY HOME!!!!! Raises the hair on the back of my neck,proud to live in this Great Nation of Ours.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 6:24:52 AM EDT

I thought the video was lame. Watching it, you'd think they had it all over the Brits and walked away the victor. The aviation shots were ok, but the paintings were "teh ghey".

Now look at where the players are - Great Britain is still a first world civilized nation (well, gun laws notwithstanding) and a great ally of the United States. Argentina is, well, basically a third world sh!t hole since their economy collapsed in 2001.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:13:19 AM EDT
Depends on your point of view. Even the British commander called it a 'darned close-run thing.' Half the ships he started with were either sunk or sent home damaged by the time the war ended. He references a friend saying "When word came back that Sheffield was sunk, I began to stop thinking of the Argentine navy as something out of Gilbert and Sullivan"

The Argie air commanders did two things wrong. Firstly, they failed to provide the bombers with escorts. It may not have helped that much, the AIM-9Ls that the Americans snuck over to the British made a large difference. Secondly, they targeted escorts, not troopships. (by and large). Ultimately, though, it was the Army that lost the Falklands for them, not Aviation. Some British said 'They're as good as the Israelis'

The country may be a "3rd World Shithole," that doesn't mean their pilots weren't any good.

OK, maybe the video isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it still has good footage, and serves as a reminder that the British got hit hard and didn't just walk over the Argentinians

NTM
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:21:13 AM EDT
cool stuff.
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:40:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/29/2005 7:47:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Brohawk:

Actually, the Argies were ticked at the US for giving intel (satellite, etc.) to the Brits..



They'll get over it, we did!
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:32:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/2/2006 5:33:18 PM EDT by captainobvious]
ah....the inch vs metric FAL war.

When men were men and carried real guns
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:42:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
The Falklands War; aka 'The Empire Strikes Back'


Heheheh. So true.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:49:05 PM EDT
Interesting aside: My Marine reserve squadron, VMA-322, was disbanded after the war, and our A4M's were sold to Argentina to replace the ones they lost. Some Argie pilot got a Skyhawk with "Rodent" painted on the canopy rail.

And you gotta give credit where it's due - Britain had one of the world's most advanced navies, and the Argies penetrated their air defenses every single day of the war in antique A4's.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 5:57:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rodent:
Interesting aside: My Marine reserve squadron, VMA-322, was disbanded after the war, and our A4M's were sold to Argentina to replace the ones they lost. Some Argie pilot got a Skyhawk with "Rodent" painted on the canopy rail.

And you gotta give credit where it's due - Britain had one of the world's most advanced navies, and the Argies penetrated their air defenses every single day of the war in antique A4's.


The problem, of course, was the proximity to land. Those A-4s were able to pop up over those islands drop their bombs and be on their way in no time at all. Ever wonder why our USMC preaches STOM? You put some of our ships, LPDs, LSDs, LKAs, from that time period in the same position and we would not fair well either.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:07:10 PM EDT
One of the debriefs we got said that the Argies had visibility problems because of salt on their windshields.

That's how low those guys were flying. They were pretty good, and pretty gutsy.
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:21:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/2/2006 6:22:37 PM EDT by weptek911]

Originally Posted By hardcorps1775:
thumbnail sketch, the falklands (brit)/malvinas (arg) islands are off the coast of arg. arg claims it, gb owns it. arg decided to take it away, gb decided to take it back. we sat here looking confused and bleating "can't we all just get along?"

both armies were fairly evenly matched as far as sea and air power (land forces not so evenly matched).

gb won. much buggery for all! w00t!!! (if you believe the accusations/rumors)



NOT RUMORS. PROOF BELOW

Falkland Island "war-bride" and child.

Link Posted: 1/2/2006 6:36:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 7:08:14 PM EDT
You guys unimpressed by that video dont know what the hell you're talking about. That was incredible combat footage. Is there lots of video of modern jets attacking modern ships out there I dont know of?
Link Posted: 1/2/2006 7:11:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cleatus:
was hoping for the cliff notes



Banana Republic, wanna-be dictator invades worthless scrap of rock in order shore up his shaky rule and to control strategic kelp-beds (seaweed) of the Malvinas (Falkland Islands) that the Brits conquered when they thought the whole world was their empire.

Maggie Thatcher wasn't about to be slapped around by Argentina so she sent the British Navy to take it back. The British Navy made up for their lack of , well a Navy by some of the bravest and best soldiering, seamanship and flying ever seen.

The Argies were a shitty conscript army but their airmanship in hand-me-down US and French supplied planes gave the British Navy a pretty good ass-kicking. But not so much that they couldn't hand a better more thorough ass-kicking right back.

The end result was a win for British-stiff-upper-lipmanship. The strategic sheep and kelp-beds were safe, and regime change in Argentina.

In the end the British could have given every man woman and child a million dollars to relocate for what the war cost them in treasure, not to mention blood. but that would have been appeasement, and no one wants to do that.

Link Posted: 1/2/2006 7:15:59 PM EDT
Damn, took me a whole minute to download!
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