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4/15/2008 7:52:19 PM EDT
I currently have a Nikon 3x9 mounted on my AR.  I use it for shooting off of a bench at 100-200yds.....and every now and then when it take it deer hunting.

I've been thinking about getting rid of the scope and getting something like an EOtech sight. .....but I'm not sure how well it would do with targets at 100+yds.  I mainly shoot off of a bench.......would something like an EOtech be worth getting in favor of the 3x9 scope?

Thanks

Here is my current setup......

4/15/2008 7:53:17 PM EDT
[#1]
I know of people who shoot iron sights at 600 yards. I guess maybe an Eotech could.
4/15/2008 7:53:53 PM EDT
[#2]
do you want to hit the target, or shoot 1 inch groups.
4/15/2008 7:54:29 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I know of people who shoot iron sights at 600 yards. I guess maybe an Eotech could.


+1
4/15/2008 7:54:57 PM EDT
[#4]
EOTech = no magnification unless you get the 3x module.  It's a reflex sight.
4/15/2008 7:56:29 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
do you want to hit the target, or shoot 1 inch groups.


1" groups would be nice.....but quick shots up close would be nice also.
4/15/2008 7:56:41 PM EDT
[#6]
A holosight is JUST as accurate as using iron sights. So it will be as accurate as you are.

In the Army, it was super easy to hit popup targets at 300 yards with an EOtech.
4/15/2008 8:02:22 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
EOTech = no magnification unless you get the 3x module.  It's a reflex sight.
.

Agreed, the Eotech shines in close quarters and is great out to 100+ yds (at least with my eyes).  When you're looking at ranges around 200 yds or greater, you'll want some magnification at least if you want a reasonable assurance of a clean and ethical kill.
4/15/2008 8:06:41 PM EDT
[#8]
I can reliably ding a metal gong roughly the size of a 5 gallon pail at 200 yards with my EOTech.  Where it hits the gong exactly I have no idea.

4/15/2008 8:07:36 PM EDT
[#9]
I just personally think the eotech is too fuzzy and pixelated to do anything much past 100.  my opinion though.
4/15/2008 8:08:17 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
A holosight is JUST as accurate as using iron sights. So it will be as accurate as you are.

In the Army, it was super easy to hit popup targets at 300 yards with an EOtech.


I would say slightly more accurate because the dot is a little more precise than my iron sights, especially when not shooting from a bench or prone position.   Reaching out to 300 yards w/o magnification is a stretch for me.  If I'm just looking to hit something man sized, ok, but if I'm looking to take out game with one shot, I'd want something that will give a better picture with some magnification.  

In my opinion, the strength of the Eotech in comparison to other optic options is extremely quick acquisition and targeting of objects <100 yds.  
4/15/2008 8:09:31 PM EDT
[#11]
IIRC, the EOTech dot is 1MOA, so it covers 1" at 100 yards.  So long as that's accurate enough for you, you're fine.  the major limiting factor will be your eyesight.  I've got one on my 16" and it works great, especially when shooting 22.
4/16/2008 4:36:37 AM EDT
[#12]
i'm an eotech fan, but you sound like a guy who needs an ACOG. IMHO.
4/16/2008 4:40:02 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
EOTech = no magnification unless you get the 3x module.  It's a reflex sight.


There's a 4X magnifier also
4/16/2008 4:42:43 AM EDT
[#14]
ive popped steel out to 300 yards with my eotech
4/16/2008 4:43:34 AM EDT
[#15]
I have no problems ringing a 8X12" plate at 250 yards with mine.
4/16/2008 4:47:00 AM EDT
[#16]
Wayne, change rings to a lower set, use a riser, and you can then swap optics.

There are other alternatives to the EOTECH.

Or just get a 1-4x IOR with lit reticle, or another quality scope with those features.

Get Warne, PRX, or Badger rings.
4/16/2008 4:53:50 AM EDT
[#17]
We've qualified out to 300m before with Aimpoints so I dont see why you couldnt do the same with EOtech.
4/16/2008 5:00:14 AM EDT
[#18]
Save some cash, get some magnification....buy a DMS-1 from Millett

Both eyes open like a reflex sight when set at 1x, longer range capability at 4x


Little over $200.00


4/16/2008 5:47:53 AM EDT
[#19]
I am not sure about the specs on the various EOTech models but I tried shooting with a cheaper red-dot set up with a 10MOA dot reticle. That means that at 100yrd targets the dot was covering a 10" circle at 200yrds it was covering a 20" circle. Needless to say that was not conductive to 1MOA accuracy and made calculated bullet drop adjustments almost impossible to predict.
4/16/2008 6:02:13 AM EDT
[#20]
This is very effective for my coyote rig.

4/16/2008 6:08:38 AM EDT
[#21]
My EOTech is zeroed at 200 yards.  I've used it out to 500 yards with good results.  You just have to figure out your holdover.
4/16/2008 6:12:15 AM EDT
[#22]
If you keep it under 200 I think the EOtech is the way to go.
4/16/2008 6:16:35 AM EDT
[#23]
I've shot mine out to 300 yards just fine.

I shoot irons to 600 in CMP matches, so 300 with a red dot isn't all that hard. Like everything else in life, it takes practice.

Av.
4/16/2008 6:18:17 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
i'm an eotech fan, but you sound like a guy who needs an ACOG. IMHO.


Isn't the Aimpoint dot 4 MOA? That would be a poor choice for distance shooting. The EoTech dot is 1 MOA.

Av.
4/16/2008 6:19:20 AM EDT
[#25]
or you can mount a micro dot on your scopelook over in the optics forums, Victor sells some mounts and cheap dots.
4/16/2008 6:24:37 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
EOTech = no magnification unless you get the 3x module.  It's a reflex sight.


There's a 4X magnifier also


Yeah, but it's almost $800, too.  That's insane.  Heck, a 3X magnifier tube for $400 is nuts, IMO.
4/16/2008 6:27:36 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
i'm an eotech fan, but you sound like a guy who needs an ACOG. IMHO.


Isn't the Aimpoint dot 4 MOA? That would be a poor choice for distance shooting. The EoTech dot is 1 MOA.

Av.


aimpoint != ACOG



but, I agree that an ACOG might be the best choice for the OP.
4/16/2008 6:30:36 AM EDT
[#28]
Try one of LaRue's "Po Boy Specials" behind an EOTech.

Speaking of which, who has tried one of LaRue's "Po Boy Specials" behind their EOTech?

I'm looking into one of those myself. The EOTech and Aimpoint branded magnifiers are too spendy for me right now, so I'm considering one for the hey of it.
4/16/2008 6:35:00 AM EDT
[#29]
The EOtech is fine for what you're doing. With ball ammo you are only going to get so much accuracy anyway. The Eotech can wring the potential out of military ball ammo. If you are shooting match ammo, an optic is more useful.

I've done just fine at 200 with my Eotech. Just keep the setting about as low as it can go and still be seen. It makes the dot much finer and more precise.

For deer hunting I like my acog better though.YMMV.
4/16/2008 7:05:34 AM EDT
[#30]
An ACOG is the answer to your problems.
4/16/2008 7:17:03 AM EDT
[#31]
Eotehs are commonly used for  3 Gun  Matches.  We shoot at targets from 15 yds to 350 yards and we have to do it quickly and accurately.



Here is how we do it using 55 grain Bullet and a 16" Barrel  Ar15.

We Zero  the Eotech  in at 50 Yds. Using the Ballistics of a 5.56 round we know the point of impact-

The information below has been confirmed by trial and error.

Distance----         Drop

100 Yds...          +0.50"
150 Yds...           00.0
200 Yds...          -3.0
250 Yds...          -5.0
300 Yds...          -11.0
350 Yds..          -19.0


Once you learn your rifle and optics it becomes second nature with a bit of practice.


Good Luck,


Iggyort




4/16/2008 7:47:08 AM EDT
[#32]
For hunting and target shooting off a bench I'd stick with the nikon.
4/16/2008 11:26:41 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
i'm an eotech fan, but you sound like a guy who needs an ACOG. IMHO.


Isn't the Aimpoint dot 4 MOA? That would be a poor choice for distance shooting. The EoTech dot is 1 MOA.

Av.


aimpoint != ACOG

but, I agree that an ACOG might be the best choice for the OP.




I'm internet retarded.

Av.
4/16/2008 11:54:40 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
i'm an eotech fan, but you sound like a guy who needs an ACOG. IMHO.


Isn't the Aimpoint dot 4 MOA? That would be a poor choice for distance shooting. The EoTech dot is 1 MOA.

Av.


Aimpoints come with a 2 or 4 moa dot.  I have a CompML3 with a 2moa dot.
4/16/2008 11:58:57 AM EDT
[#35]
There is a 16" steel gong placed at 500 meters at our range, I can hit it most of the time with my carbine/eotech combo. So yea, it works but there are certainly better tools for the job.
4/16/2008 12:12:25 PM EDT
[#36]
I can hit a propane tank (standard home grill size.....empty of course) at 300 yds all day long on the bench with the Eotech mounted.

If you want something to cover 0 to 300 yds, I would very much recommend the Eotech.

If you are primarily hunting/target shooting over 100 yds  the just keep the glass on the rifle.

I have a Nikon 3x9 that was mounted on the same rifle. I went back to the Eotech because the rifle really is for general use. Target shooting,  HD, Zombies, (you know, end of the world stuff)

But after using the Nikon, I would like to set up a dedicated long range AR at some point. Shooting at 300 + yds with the glass and bipod was fun.
4/16/2008 12:18:58 PM EDT
[#37]
since we are on the subject does anyone make a mount for the magnifier that

is like a quick connect where i could just quickly put the thing on behind an

eotech if needed. iv'e seen the ones that flip to the side but would just rather

be able to slip the thing one if needed and then take it back off..
4/16/2008 12:29:39 PM EDT
[#38]
I have a DPMS 308 AP4.  I dont have an EOTech on mine but do have a holo sight
for close range shooting.  I also have a flip up rear iron sight and standard A2 front sight.  I am fairly accurate with the irons long range
4/16/2008 12:31:27 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
since we are on the subject does anyone make a mount for the magnifier that

is like a quick connect where i could just quickly put the thing on behind an

eotech if needed. iv'e seen the ones that flip to the side but would just rather

be able to slip the thing one if needed and then take it back off..


LaRue of course!

clicky
4/16/2008 12:36:06 PM EDT
[#40]
I have a Leupold scope sitting in one of those nifty LaRue QD mounts for hunting. With the flip of two levers, I can use my flip up irons instead. No need for any fancy Aimpoint/Eotech
4/16/2008 1:29:32 PM EDT
[#41]


Sure you can hit a man sized target at 300yd with an EOTECH, but for the type of shooting you seem to do, your scope seems to the most logical choice.






Does that light work with that scope?????