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2/20/2005 8:13:11 PM EDT
..........and just scanned it;

EDIT------------DELETED.  
2/20/2005 8:16:46 PM EDT
[#1]
Your scanning an illegal there. I would get rid of that money asap.

edit-not felony
2/20/2005 8:17:37 PM EDT
[#2]
So did you go to wheresgeorge.com?
2/20/2005 8:19:26 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Your scanning a felony there. I would get rid of that money asap.



Howzat a felony?

2/20/2005 8:21:17 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Your scanning a felony there. I would get rid of that money asap.



Howzat a felony?



United States Code
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 17 - COINS AND CURRENCY
§ 333. Mutilation of national bank obligations

“Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or
unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill,
draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking
association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System,
with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence
of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or
imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

FINDLAW
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/18/parts/i/chapters/17/sections/section_333.html
or
http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=defaces&url=/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000333----000-.html

Prior to 1994 when this law was amended, the statute read “fined not
more than $100”. This was changed in 1994 to read “shall be fined
under this title” which effectively gives the court the authority to
impose a fine at its discretion. Of course the imprisonment terms
mentioned in the statute speaks for itself.


I was wrong - not a felony, just illegal.
2/20/2005 8:21:38 PM EDT
[#5]
Red X
2/20/2005 8:22:10 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Your scanning a felony there. I would get rid of that money asap.



I just deleted it.  It's a felony to scan a bill? I didn't know that.

Could I scan just the funny stamped-on part, or just leave it alone?
2/20/2005 8:24:56 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Your scanning a felony there. I would get rid of that money asap.



I just deleted it.  It's a felony to scan a bill? I didn't know that.

Could I scan just the funny stamped-on part, or just leave it alone?




I don't think so, I was saying it about defacing $$$. It isn't a felony, but is illegal.

It is a little illegal it looks like to scan $. About.com:
Reproductions must be done in such a way as to not be confused with actual paper currency. Some of the most common conditions are (not all apply to every country):

   * Size - smaller or larger than original, the amount varies by country

   * Color - black & white reproductions only or the use of distinctly different colors from original

   * One-side - reproductions cannot be double-sided

   * Surface Area - only a certain percentage of the overall surface of one side of the bill may be depictedMaybe crop it

   * Orientation - currency must be at an angle within the illustration

   * Labeling - placing the word "Specimen" or "Sample" across the illustration

   * Material - some types of reproductions can only be placed on materials that are not paper or paper-like

   * Permission - in some countries you must request permission in writing before reproducing banknotes in advertising or for educational purposes

   * Creative Materials - disposal of scans, negatives, plates, or other materials used in creating the currency reproductions
2/20/2005 8:25:40 PM EDT
[#8]
But I didn't deface it; I just scanned it.
So the scanning wasn't illegal, but whoever stamped it broke the law.
Right?
2/20/2005 8:28:48 PM EDT
[#9]

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But I didn't deface it; I just scanned it.
So the scanning wasn't illegal, but whoever stamped it broke the law.
Right?

see above

and here:


Reproduction of Currency
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Authority: 18 UNITED STATES CODE; 504: Treasury Directive Number 15-56 FR 48539 (September 15,1993) 411.1 Color illustrations authorized.

(a) Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 25 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, authority is hereby given for the printing, publishing or importation, or the making or importation of the necessary plates or items for such printing or publication, of color illustrations of U.S. currency provided that:

1. The illustration must be of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of any matter so illustrated; 2. The illustration must be one sided; and 3. All negatives, plates, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof shall be destroyed and or deleted or erased after their final use in accordance with this section.
2/20/2005 8:39:24 PM EDT
[#10]

with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued


The "Wheresgeorge.com" stamp in not intended to render a bill unfit to be reissued.  That would actually defeat the whole purpose of wheresgeorge, which is to track bills over the miles and years.

The 'hemp' stamp is a totally seperate thing, a political statement, has nothing to do with wheresgeorge.  I doubt that it is intended to render the bill unfit to be reissued.

When I mark bills for wheresgeorge, I always mark on the righthand side in the white margin with black pen.  I've thought of getting a stamp, but haven't done so.

See this site at the Treasury where Wheresgeorge is mentioned in an official publication:
Do you ever wonder where your
money goes? Literally, that is. At
Where’$ George, the Great
American Dollar Bill Locator
your children or students can
track dollar bills as they circulate
around the world. The site is free
except, of course, for the dollar. If
you can ignore the ads, it could
be great fun for everyone at home
or at school.
www.wheresgeorge.com

Jim

p.s.--Same deal with those "Penny Souvenier Stampers" that crush a penny in a rolling die; it's not illegal, because it's not defacing it for any illegal purpose.
2/20/2005 8:39:28 PM EDT
[#11]
Looks like federal "pound me in the a##" prison for you...
Look out the window, the men in black suits whould be at your door any minute now.


2/20/2005 8:39:44 PM EDT
[#12]
YIKES!!!!!   I just deleted it from the host site and from my computer.

I appreciate your help setting me straight on this.
2/20/2005 8:42:51 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

with intent to render such item(s) unfit to be reissued


The "Wheresgeorge.com" stamp in not intended to render a bill unfit to be reissued.  That would actually defeat the whole purpose of wheresgeorge, which is to track bills over the miles and years.

The 'hemp' stamp is a totally seperate thing, a political statement, has nothing to do with wheresgeorge.  I doubt that it is intended to render the bill unfit to be reissued.

When I mark bills for wheresgeorge, I always mark on the righthand side in the white margin with black pen.  I've thought of getting a stamp, but haven't done so.

See this site at the Treasury where Wheresgeorge is mentioned in an official publication:
Do you ever wonder where your
money goes? Literally, that is. At
Where’$ George, the Great
American Dollar Bill Locator
your children or students can
track dollar bills as they circulate
around the world. The site is free
except, of course, for the dollar. If
you can ignore the ads, it could
be great fun for everyone at home
or at school.
www.wheresgeorge.com

Jim

p.s.--Same deal with those "Penny Souvenier Stampers" that crush a penny in a rolling die; it's not illegal, because it's not defacing it for any illegal purpose.



Then it has been oked by the tres. Coin laws are diffrent from print laws and I didn't look at those.
2/20/2005 8:44:08 PM EDT
[#14]

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YIKES!!!!!   I just deleted it from the host site and from my computer.

I appreciate your help setting me straight on this.



It looks like I was wrong on defacing $, but scanning the WHOLE bill is a no no. You could scan part I think.
2/20/2005 8:45:42 PM EDT
[#15]
I'd expect someone so adept at quoting laws to actually read them. Writing and or marking currency is not illegal.

Geez.
2/20/2005 8:47:59 PM EDT
[#16]
uh, this was discussed at length around election time, stamping paper money breaks no laws.  And i've never heard of anything prohibiting "scanning" in one side of a bill.
2/20/2005 8:49:06 PM EDT
[#17]
Either way, I'm not even rescanning it. When it gets to some of these laws i find it easier to avoid it altogether rather than study how to do it right.

Penguin---Thank you for helping me with this!!
2/20/2005 8:50:09 PM EDT
[#18]
You will, however, find a lot of scanners, copiers, printers, and newer software (Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro) that will refuse to scan, open, print, or edit images of currency.

The gov't has been pressuring companies to install 'black box' code in the products that checks for some signature elements in bill images and refuses to work with them.

Jim
2/20/2005 8:50:41 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
uh, this was discussed at length around election time, stamping paper money breaks no laws.  And i've never heard of anything prohibiting "scanning" in one side of a bill.



Read 18 UNITED STATES CODE; 504: Treasury Directive Number 15-56 FR 48539.
2/20/2005 8:52:40 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
I'd expect someone so adept at quoting laws to actually read them. Writing and or marking currency is not illegal.

Geez.



Look who has the enemies flag in their avatar.  At least I'm reading American law.
2/20/2005 8:55:08 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
uh, this was discussed at length around election time, stamping paper money breaks no laws.  And i've never heard of anything prohibiting "scanning" in one side of a bill.



Read 18 UNITED STATES CODE; 504: Treasury Directive Number 15-56 FR 48539.


ok?


PART 411 -- COLOR ILLUSTRATIONS OF UNITED STATES CURRENCY
Authority: 18 U.S.C. 504; Treasury Directive Number 15-56, 58 FR 48539
(September 16, 1993)

411.1 Color illustrations authorized.
(a) Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 25 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, authority is hereby given for the printing, publishing or importation, or the making or importation of the necessary plates or items for such printing or publishing, of color illustrations of U.S. currency provided that:
(1) The illustration be of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of any matter so illustrated;
(2) The illustration be one-sided; and
(3) All negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof shall be destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use in accordance with this section.
(b) [Reserved].

2/20/2005 8:56:31 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd expect someone so adept at quoting laws to actually read them. Writing and or marking currency is not illegal.

Geez.



Look who has the enemies flag in their avatar.  At least I'm reading American law.



whooooooooooooooooo
2/20/2005 8:56:45 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
uh, this was discussed at length around election time, stamping paper money breaks no laws.  And i've never heard of anything prohibiting "scanning" in one side of a bill.



Read 18 UNITED STATES CODE; 504: Treasury Directive Number 15-56 FR 48539.


ok?


PART 411 -- COLOR ILLUSTRATIONS OF UNITED STATES CURRENCY
Authority: 18 U.S.C. 504; Treasury Directive Number 15-56, 58 FR 48539
(September 16, 1993)

411.1 Color illustrations authorized.
(a) Notwithstanding any provision of chapter 25 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code, authority is hereby given for the printing, publishing or importation, or the making or importation of the necessary plates or items for such printing or publishing, of color illustrations of U.S. currency provided that:
(1) The illustration be of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of any matter so illustrated;
(2) The illustration be one-sided; and
(3) All negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof shall be destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use in accordance with this section.
(b) [Reserved].


2/20/2005 8:58:46 PM EDT
[#24]
One sided:  not printed front and back on one piece of paper.

Jim
2/20/2005 9:22:18 PM EDT
[#25]
OK..

Riddle me this:

What about those penny mooshers at tourist traps...

You stick a penny in and it squishes out a flattened peice of copper with somekind of imprint on it...

Are the Feds going to raid giftshops across the country and seize these currency destroying machines...