Maybe for something like a PKM, 1919, or a minigun.

I've heard it said they have disallowed larger stuff, like Mk19s and M2s due to no legitimate police use. I could see a M134 also being denied, but an M60 would be well within the realm of reasonable for a police force (to go on one of the free APCs from Uncle Sugar)

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The days of transfers are over from what I understand. ATF put out at SHOT that there were no more dealer samples, the only place posties could be transferred to was a .gov agency. Not to other dealers.

If I misunderstood someone please clarify their info release for me.

I don't know, full auto less lethal/tear gas deployment would be pretty fucking fun.



 

Why is the ATF even allowed to attend a firearms trade show?

Link?



 

Because we are part of a highly regulated hobby and SHOT is focused on FFLs, so it is the perfect time to catch a large number of SOTs at one time.

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That would require a CFR change, which would require a Notice, Comment Period, etc., before being enacted.



 

Rules are for suckers....and little people.


"if you want to make an omlette you have to break some eggs.."

They approved a post sample sear for my Tippman 1919, but disallowed the MG42 that I had on the same list. Said that a County Sheriff didn't need a belt fed weapon.
 

ya, something just doesn't sound right with that.............how else would an NFA dealer demo a gun to an agency? why would an agency want to buy before even seeing a weapon?

http://blog.princelaw.com/2012/01/20/shot-show-2012-atf-town-hall-meeting-and-nfatca-meeting-dealers-and-manufacturers-take-notice/

Paragraph 8

Also, ATF has now stated that after having the Department of Justice (DOJ), Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) review 18 U.S.C. § 922, it has been decided by OLC that a manufacture may stockpile as many post-86 machineguns as that manufacturer sees fit; however, only the manufacturer may manufacture the post-86 machinegun. What this means, is that it is no longer acceptable or legal, even if the manufacturer has a variance approving the following, for one manufacturer to manufacture the receiver, register the receiver on a Form 2, and then transfer the receiver on a Form 3 to another manufacturer for completion. The OLC has determined that the only transfer of a post-86 machinegun is to a law enforcement agency. There are clearly other concerning issues with regards to this that I will not address, in the hopes that they have eluded ATF.

The speculation is that this will be used to stop all dealer to dealer post 86 transfers. ATF would not comment on that one way or another at the show.

How would FA get to swat? The are thousands of small depts across the country that have and use NFA classified items. I live in Podunk USA and the local have M16's and DD's. This just doesn't make sense. How would Colt sell guns or SW?Read Blue's above post makes as much sense as anything they do.

I would bet (and it has been speculated that this is the case by guys that are bigger and more well connected with ATF) the intent is to close down the smaller dealers. If it does turn out that ATF will not approve dealer to dealers post 86 transfers, the Agencies have to buy from a MFG now. No more cool toys for the small time NFA dealer.  The MFG makes the guns and sells it to .gov. No more marking variances and as I posted the OLC has made this determination. It doesn't have to go through a CFR change. Once again they are interpreting this new guidance as stated in the release.

I am sure the bigger MFG and NAFICA are behind it protecting their turf, but that is just my take on it.

Yes and no. They are required to give up, sell or destroy the unit when they end their license. Yes, I know of local stores that do rent Post Guns.

They sure have fallen in love with "re interpreting" laws.

that sounds more like rewriting the law