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Posted: 9/29/2005 12:51:25 PM EDT
September 28, 2005
Officer Criticizes Detainee Abuse Inquiry
By ERIC SCHMITT

WASHINGTON, Sept. 27 - An Army captain who reported new allegations of detainee abuse in Iraq said Tuesday that Army investigators seemed more concerned about tracking down young soldiers who reported misconduct than in following up the accusations and investigating whether higher-ranking officers knew of the abuses.

The officer, Capt. Ian Fishback, said investigators from the Criminal Investigation Command and the 18th Airborne Corps inspector general had pressed him to divulge the names of two sergeants from his former battalion who also gave accounts of abuse, which were made public in a report last Friday by the group Human Rights Watch.

Captain Fishback, speaking publicly on the matter for first time, said the investigators who have questioned him in the past 10 days seemed to be less interested in individuals he identified in his chain of command who allegedly committed the abuses.

"I'm convinced this is going in a direction that's not consistent with why we came forward," Captain Fishback said in a telephone interview from Fort Bragg, N.C., where he is going through Army Special Forces training. "We came forward because of the larger issue that prisoner abuse is systemic in the Army. I'm concerned this will take a new twist, and they'll try to scapegoat some of the younger soldiers. This is a leadership problem."

In separate statements to the human rights organization, Captain Fishback and the two sergeants described abuses by soldiers in the 82nd Airborne Division, including beatings of Iraqi prisoners, exposing them to extremes of hot and cold, stacking prisoners in human pyramids, and depriving them of sleep at Camp Mercury, a forward operating base near Falluja. The abuses reportedly took place between September 2003 and April 2004, before and during the abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.

After fruitlessly trying for 17 months to get his superiors to take action on his complaints, Captain Fishback said, he finally took his concerns this month to aides to two senior Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee, John W. Warner of Virginia, the committee chairman, and John McCain of Arizona. When the Army learned he was talking to Senate aides, Captain Fishback said that Army investigators suddenly intensified their interest in his complaints.

Senior Pentagon and Army officials said Tuesday that the new allegations, which focus on the division's First Battalion, 504th Parachute Infantry, were being pursued vigorously. "All I know is that the Army is taking it seriously," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said at a Pentagon news conference. "To the extent somebody's done something that they shouldn't have done, they'll be punished for it."

Col. Joseph Curtin, an Army spokesman, added: "But it will take time, given the period of time that's elapsed since when these allegations took place."

Captain Fishback, 26, a West Point graduate from Michigan and son of a Vietnam War veteran, said he was troubled by the Army's response to his concerns, starting in the spring of 2004 after the abuses at Abu Ghraib became known, about the treatment of detainees that he believed violated the Geneva Conventions.

In the months before, Captain Fishback said he had seen at least one interrogation where prisoners were being abused and was told about other ill treatment of detainees by his sergeants. But he said his commanders left the impression that the United States did not have to follow the Geneva Conventions when dealing with prisoners in Iraq, so he did not report the incidents.

That changed, he said, after he heard Mr. Rumsfeld testify to Congress after the Abu Ghraib abuses became public that the Conventions did apply in Iraq. But when he took his complaints to his immediate superiors, Captain Fishback said his company commander cautioned him to "remember the honor of the unit is at stake." He said his battalion commander expressed no particular alarm.

As he moved up his chain of command, he said no one could give him clear guidance on how the Geneva Conventions applied in Iraq.

"We did not set the conditions for our soldiers to succeed," said Captain Fishback, who has served combat tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. "We failed to set clear standards, communicate those standards and enforce those standards. For us to get to that point now, however, we have to come to grips with whether it's acceptable to use coercion to obtain information from detainees."

By this summer, Captain Fishback had met with Human Rights Watch researchers several times. He gave the organization the names of other members of his unit who could support his allegations.

Captain Fishback said that when his command learned about 10 days ago that he was preparing to speak to Senate aides about his concerns, they directed him to talk to criminal investigators, which he said he did for 90 minutes on Sept. 19. But when he refused to divulge the sergeants' names, he said, investigators told him there wasn't much they could do immediately.

But last Thursday, a day after Human Rights Watch notified the 82nd Airborne that it would be releasing a copy of its report outlining the allegations, Captain Fishback said he was summoned back to Fort Bragg from field training for six hours of questioning by investigators.

The report was made public last Friday, and Captain Fishback said investigators had questioned him for about an hour on Monday and again on Tuesday. "They're asking the same questions over and over again," he said. "They want the names of the sergeants, and they keep asking about my relationship with Human Rights Watch."

Captain Fishback said he has refused to disclose the names of the two sergeants - one who has left the Army and another who has been reassigned - because he promised not to disclose their identities if they came forward. But he said his command told him Tuesday that he could face criminal prosecution if disobeyed its "lawful order" to disclose.

Captain Fishback said he had no regrets about coming forward, adding, "It's the right thing to do."
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 12:55:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 12:55:35 PM EDT by Dolomite]
NCOs and the lower enlisted types don't put up as much of a legal fight when they're accused of something compared to a Zero (who may actually hire a lawyer and such).

Lots easier to makes bricks without straw that way.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:04:12 PM EDT
I just think it is funny that 99% of these guys that rat out other military members, whether they are right or wrong, careers are over. Who wants to work with a tattle tell? People they work with stop talking to them and the promotion days are over.

If you want to tell keep it internal and in the chain of command. If it dies down then it is over. If you go to a reporter to tell you are just hurting yourself.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:23:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 1:24:11 PM EDT by jquillen1985]
So what should he have done?

ETA: Is this the type of military we want? The Army has the Army Values, but if you adhere to them, you end up getting hurt. Does this make any sense?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:27:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/29/2005 1:31:47 PM EDT by Max_Mike]
What is the source of this story… link please.

Wanta bet the NYT anybody.

ETA:

I was correct the NYT… or Al Jazeera West.

Why should we believe anything in the NYT and why were you hiding the source of the story?
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:32:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jquillen1985:
So what should he have done?

ETA: Is this the type of military we want? The Army has the Army Values, but if you adhere to them, you end up getting hurt. Does this make any sense?



He should have kept it in house all the way up the chain of command. If all of them didn't want to do anything about it there was a reason behind it. I am tired of all these asshats that think we need to ship these guys to a Ritz hotel with room service and cable. They should be thankful that they aren'r simply dead.

Also, yes I like the thought of having a military that uses tough tactics against enemys with morals that are even worse. It's not like we are cutting off their heads and dragging their chared bodies behind trucks. I would love to know that if I am captured the only thing that will be a threat to me is what MRE I will get and if I like it and whether or not I will be forced to play naked twister and lay in the sun for a few hours with no water.

Fuck these tattle tells.

Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:36:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
What is the source of this story… link please.

Wanta bet the NYT anybody.

ETA:

I was correct the NYT… or Al Jazeera West.

Why should we believe anything in the NYT and why were you hiding the source of the story?



I was "hiding the source of the story" because it was sent to me via e-mail without anything else on it . . . sent to me by my OIC of training in a top ROTC program.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:40:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jquillen1985:
By this summer, Captain Fishback had met with Human Rights Watch researchers several times.


He should be hung for sedition.
Link Posted: 9/29/2005 1:41:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jquillen1985:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
What is the source of this story… link please.

Wanta bet the NYT anybody.

ETA:

I was correct the NYT… or Al Jazeera West.

Why should we believe anything in the NYT and why were you hiding the source of the story?



I was "hiding the source of the story" because it was sent to me via e-mail without anything else on it . . . sent to me by my OIC of training in a top ROTC program.



Ah… a willing dupe.
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