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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:17:21 AM EDT
[#1]
We should be deporting and gassing more prisoners, to make room for more prisoners.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:18:47 AM EDT
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Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:18:56 AM EDT
[#3]
Absolutely we do. Drug offenses alone are a travesty of justice.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:19:57 AM EDT
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Yes.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:20:21 AM EDT
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Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws. Exactly. Most "law abiding citizens" unknowingly break laws often. Cheers! -JC |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:20:55 AM EDT
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Both. No good answers.
We have people spending lengthy, sometimes lifetime sentences for relatively minor infractions under 3-strikes laws (certainly this is only a small percentage, but it does exist), while we have kiddy diddlers serving less than a year inside. My state appears to be particularly soft on child molesters. We always hope for kiddie porn to be found so that they can get charged federally instead. Fed sentences for pictures tend to be multiple times what our state sentences people for that actually molest a child. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:21:16 AM EDT
[#7]
Yes, for drug offenses.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:23:11 AM EDT
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We don't incarcerate enough. Too many people get off easy and placed on alternative sentences that don't take it seriously, go out and fuck up some more and then get placed back on probation over and over. They don't learn. They don't care. They just want their dope and one way or another we all pay for it.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:23:21 AM EDT
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Yes, for drug offenses. This, and not enough time for Pedo's and rape because of it. 
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:26:22 AM EDT
[#10]
Yes, because of the War On (some) Drugs.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:26:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't incarcerate enough. Too many people get off easy and placed on alternative sentences that don't take it seriously, go out and fuck up some more and then get placed back on probation over and over. They don't learn. They don't care. They just want their dope and one way or another we all pay for it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:29:07 AM EDT
[#12]
Yes and no.
Yes for stupid drug offenses. Yes, murderers and child molesters should be executed, not jailed. No. The U.S. is better at catching bad guys and therefore we have more people paying for crime. Yes, there are a lot of crimes that don't exist in other countries. Tax evasion, drugs, beating your wife, etc. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:29:11 AM EDT
[#13]
Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:29:31 AM EDT
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We should be deporting and gassing more prisoners, to make room for more prisoners. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:31:03 AM EDT
[#15]
Prison labor is big business.
httphttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/052710-prison-labor-outsourcings-best-kept.html:// The U.S. chamber of commerce has gone to congress about this. A couple of years ago a company that runs prison systems approached Texas about running the state prison system. They wanted Texas to guarantee 90% occupancy. 
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:32:52 AM EDT
[#16]
Yes, and we also under-execute.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:33:27 AM EDT
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Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner 
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:35:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:36:35 AM EDT
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No, we don't.
People don't go to prison for "minor" drug arrests, unless they are violent offenders. Even then it's rare. Most people go to prison after numerous arrests for Part One offenses. The first trip to prison is usually for months(time served, good behavior, found religion etc.) Then it's multiple arrests for each prosecution, prosecutions are deferred, combined or pled out, and so forth. The simple, unpalatable fact is that there so many people who need to be caged that we just can't do it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:36:45 AM EDT
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No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner Both of you should be incarcerated for your misuse of apostrophes. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:36:54 AM EDT
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Prison labor is big business. httphttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/052710-prison-labor-outsourcings-best-kept.html:// The U.S. chamber of commerce has gone to congress about this. A couple of years ago a company that runs prison systems approached Texas about running the state prison system. They wanted Texas to guarantee 90% occupancy. The jail I worked at supposedly got $100 a day per prisoner, and more for Federal Immigration Detainees that we housed. And this was a county facility. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:39:12 AM EDT
[#22]
Yeah, and we under incinerate.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:40:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't incarcerate enough. Too many people get off easy and placed on alternative sentences that don't take it seriously, go out and fuck up some more and then get placed back on probation over and over. They don't learn. They don't care. They just want their dope and one way or another we all pay for it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:40:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This, and not enough time for Pedo's and rape because of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes, for drug offenses. This, and not enough time for Pedo's and rape because of it. My close friend, a detective, got a murderer with perfect evidence--he had robbed and then killed a beloved old man who ran a local quick mart. DA took the plea to 2nd degree when he could have got the guy the needle. And it wasn't over trial cost, it was a guy who wants to go higher in government than a rural county District Attorney. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:41:24 AM EDT
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Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:42:14 AM EDT
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Too many of the wrong people and way to few of the right ones.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:44:56 AM EDT
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Majority of them don't have the money to repay and wouldn't get hired for MW job to pay it back. A lot of the time they pay it back by working it off day by day in jail or prison. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner Im fine with using them as a state general laborer, until monies are paid back. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:45:42 AM EDT
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We need less laws criminalizing less actions.
We need more prisoners put to death. We need to quit returning people to the prison system by making them criminals for life; Either you have paid your debt to society or you haven't. If you have, the only people who need to know about your criminal history are the courts, so if you fuck up again we can treat you accordingly. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:46:43 AM EDT
[#29]
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:47:12 AM EDT
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Want to cut the prison population and pretty much end the majority of crime? Get convicted of a crime and all government bennies stop for five years or forever. Heck, lets say three crimes to be nice.
Yeah, I know.... What bout da children? That fucks up any reform measures. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:48:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Like China, North Korea and Iran? |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:49:05 AM EDT
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We should be deporting and gassing more prisoners, to make room for more prisoners. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:49:11 AM EDT
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Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws. +1 This guy gets it |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:50:51 AM EDT
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Like China, North Korea and Iran? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Like China, North Korea and Iran? Bastions of liberty to emulate! |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:51:07 AM EDT
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Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders As a person with a nearly 15 year career in corrections, they often are one and the same and don't discriminate. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:52:58 AM EDT
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As a person with a nearly 15 year career in corrections, they often are one and the same and don't discriminate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders As a person with a nearly 15 year career in corrections, they often are one and the same and don't discriminate. You go by worst crime not least |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:53:03 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like China, North Korea and Iran? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Like China, North Korea and Iran? Some people are breathing the air that would be better suited for use by somebody else. And IDGAF about what other countries do, I';m only concerned with what remains of the good ole U.S.A. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:53:12 AM EDT
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We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun? |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:53:33 AM EDT
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Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws. Nailed it. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:55:08 AM EDT
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Yes. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:57:07 AM EDT
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Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun? Nope. We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate. If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes. In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:57:48 AM EDT
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Yes and no. Yes for stupid drug offenses. Yes, murderers and child molesters should be executed, not jailed. No. The U.S. is better at catching bad guys and therefore we have more people paying for crime. Yes, there are a lot of crimes that don't exist in other countries. Tax evasion, drugs, beating your wife, etc. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:59:03 AM EDT
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Nope. We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate. If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes. In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun? Nope. We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate. If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes. In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence. Like the kind of evidence found in, say, the Houston crime lab? ETA: are we also talking about the same 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty? (another peeve of mine) |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:06:12 PM EDT
[#44]
Yes, while also killing too few.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:07:24 PM EDT
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I think the numbers are misleading
If we took all the numbers from other countries that execute instead of put into prison I better our number would drop. I think the better question should be should we care less or other countries care more. I think its ridiculous in our society that we give better care to prisoners over elderly and veterans. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:07:28 PM EDT
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Nope. We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate. If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes. In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun? Nope. We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate. If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes. In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence. I agree w/ you in theory. However, Judges have great discretion as to the evidence presented. There is also probably more politics that goes on between the Judges and lawyers than most realize. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:07:58 PM EDT
[#47]
Yes. It is an important part of the destruction of our society.
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:08:40 PM EDT
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Like the kind of evidence found in, say, the Houston crime lab? ETA: are we also talking about the same 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty? (another peeve of mine) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun? Nope. We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate. If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes. In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence. Like the kind of evidence found in, say, the Houston crime lab? ETA: are we also talking about the same 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty? (another peeve of mine) Let's play the semantics game. The system is not perfect, can you suggest to me one that is better? If we should never execute, because the person may be innocent, then how can we with good conscience convict a person to life imprisonment? I think it's likely more humane to end the persons "suffering" rather then condemn them to prison for life, ya know, if they're innocent. If the criminal justice system labored under the belief that anyone was, could be, and likely is innocent, we would live in absolute mayhem and chaos. What we need to do, is train police officers to return to their place as community peace officers who stop/punish crime when necessary instead of main street commandos who seek crime everywhere. It's a fact of life, innocent people will go to prison. And some will probably be put to death (though exponentially less today than even 25 years ago. It's a shame, but the best system we have is to present the facts, as they are viewed by the state and the defendant, and let impartial persons decide. It basically works, too. Casey Anthony, though clearly guilty by way of circumstantial evidence, was acquitted because there wasn't a preponderance of evidence to suggest guilt. Zimmerman, a fucking moron if their ever was one, who was convicted in the media for a full year before his trial, was acquitted, because in the end he was not guilty of breaking any law, and the jury saw that. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate. If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes. In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more. Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun? Nope. We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate. If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes. In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence. Go see the reaction on AR15.com to a jury deciding that tracking caused a family to get sick. |
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Posted: 4/27/2014 12:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. |
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