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Posted: 4/27/2014 11:14:19 AM EDT
Apparently, the US prison population accounts for 25% of the world's prisoners.

The rest of the world has an incarceration rate of about 100 per 100,000 residents. The US is about 500 per 100,000. In 2010, we had about 1.6 million people in prison. In 2000, the average prison sentence was 4.5 years.

Are we sending too many people to prison for too long over petty infractions, or are we not doing enough to make scoff laws pay for their insolence?



Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:17:21 AM EDT
We should be deporting and gassing more prisoners, to make room for more prisoners.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:18:47 AM EDT

Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:18:56 AM EDT
Absolutely we do. Drug offenses alone are a travesty of justice.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:19:57 AM EDT
Yes.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:20:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FeebMaster:

Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws.
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Exactly.
Most "law abiding citizens" unknowingly break laws often.

Cheers!

-JC
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:20:55 AM EDT
Both. No good answers.

We have people spending lengthy, sometimes lifetime sentences for relatively minor infractions under 3-strikes laws (certainly this is only a small percentage, but it does exist), while we have kiddy diddlers serving less than a year inside.

My state appears to be particularly soft on child molesters. We always hope for kiddie porn to be found so that they can get charged federally instead. Fed sentences for pictures tend to be multiple times what our state sentences people for that actually molest a child.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:21:16 AM EDT
Yes, for drug offenses.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:23:11 AM EDT
We don't incarcerate enough. Too many people get off easy and placed on alternative sentences that don't take it seriously, go out and fuck up some more and then get placed back on probation over and over. They don't learn. They don't care. They just want their dope and one way or another we all pay for it.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:23:21 AM EDT
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This, and not enough time for Pedo's and rape because of it.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:26:22 AM EDT
Yes, because of the War On (some) Drugs.

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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:26:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RolandBozz:
We don't incarcerate enough. Too many people get off easy and placed on alternative sentences that don't take it seriously, go out and fuck up some more and then get placed back on probation over and over. They don't learn. They don't care. They just want their dope and one way or another we all pay for it.
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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:29:07 AM EDT
Yes and no.

Yes for stupid drug offenses.
Yes, murderers and child molesters should be executed, not jailed.
No. The U.S. is better at catching bad guys and therefore we have more people paying for crime.
Yes, there are a lot of crimes that don't exist in other countries. Tax evasion, drugs, beating your wife, etc.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:29:11 AM EDT
Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:29:31 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:31:03 AM EDT
Prison labor is big business.
httphttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/052710-prison-labor-outsourcings-best-kept.html://
The U.S. chamber of commerce has gone to congress about this. A couple of years ago a company that runs prison systems approached Texas about running the state prison system. They wanted Texas to guarantee 90% occupancy.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:32:52 AM EDT
Yes, and we also under-execute.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:33:27 AM EDT
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No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:35:32 AM EDT
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No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner
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Originally Posted By blacksunshinez51:
Originally Posted By staraero:
Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders


No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner
Majority of them don't have the money to repay and wouldn't get hired for MW job to pay it back. A lot of the time they pay it back by working it off day by day in jail or prison.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:36:35 AM EDT
No, we don't.

People don't go to prison for "minor" drug arrests, unless they are violent offenders. Even then it's rare.

Most people go to prison after numerous arrests for Part One offenses.

The first trip to prison is usually for months(time served, good behavior, found religion etc.)

Then it's multiple arrests for each prosecution, prosecutions are deferred, combined or pled out, and so forth.

The simple, unpalatable fact is that there so many people who need to be caged that we just can't do it.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:36:45 AM EDT
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No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner
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Originally Posted By blacksunshinez51:
Originally Posted By staraero:
Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders


No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner

Both of you should be incarcerated for your misuse of apostrophes.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:36:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By misc:
Prison labor is big business.
httphttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/052710-prison-labor-outsourcings-best-kept.html://
The U.S. chamber of commerce has gone to congress about this. A couple of years ago a company that runs prison systems approached Texas about running the state prison system. They wanted Texas to guarantee 90% occupancy.
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The jail I worked at supposedly got $100 a day per prisoner, and more for Federal Immigration Detainees that we housed.

And this was a county facility.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:39:12 AM EDT
Yeah, and we under incinerate.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:40:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RolandBozz:
We don't incarcerate enough. Too many people get off easy and placed on alternative sentences that don't take it seriously, go out and fuck up some more and then get placed back on probation over and over. They don't learn. They don't care. They just want their dope and one way or another we all pay for it.
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this is pretty close to my answer.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:40:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By blacksunshinez51:


This, and not enough time for Pedo's and rape because of it.
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Originally Posted By blacksunshinez51:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Yes, for drug offenses.


This, and not enough time for Pedo's and rape because of it.
Yep, DA's love to rack up a high percentage of convictions, mostly based on idiotic drug dealers, but aren't willing to risk a trial when it comes to something serious.

My close friend, a detective, got a murderer with perfect evidence--he had robbed and then killed a beloved old man who ran a local quick mart. DA took the plea to 2nd degree when he could have got the guy the needle. And it wasn't over trial cost, it was a guy who wants to go higher in government than a rural county District Attorney.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:41:24 AM EDT
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Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws.
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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:42:14 AM EDT
Too many of the wrong people and way to few of the right ones.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:44:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RolandBozz:
Majority of them don't have the money to repay and wouldn't get hired for MW job to pay it back. A lot of the time they pay it back by working it off day by day in jail or prison.
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Originally Posted By RolandBozz:
Originally Posted By blacksunshinez51:
Originally Posted By staraero:
Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders


No make the Thief's repay dollar per dollar the amount of whatever the fuck they stole to the owner
Majority of them don't have the money to repay and wouldn't get hired for MW job to pay it back. A lot of the time they pay it back by working it off day by day in jail or prison.


Im fine with using them as a state general laborer, until monies are paid back.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:45:42 AM EDT
We need less laws criminalizing less actions.

We need more prisoners put to death.

We need to quit returning people to the prison system by making them criminals for life; Either you have paid your debt to society or you haven't. If you have, the only people who need to know about your criminal history are the courts, so if you fuck up again we can treat you accordingly.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:46:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:47:12 AM EDT
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Want to cut the prison population and pretty much end the majority of crime? Get convicted of a crime and all government bennies stop for five years or forever. Heck, lets say three crimes to be nice.

Yeah, I know.... What bout da children? That fucks up any reform measures.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:48:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.

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Like China, North Korea and Iran?
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:49:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 44Regular:
We should be deporting and gassing more prisoners, to make room for more prisoners.
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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:49:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FeebMaster:

Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws.
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+1

This guy gets it
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:50:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Like China, North Korea and Iran?
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.


Like China, North Korea and Iran?


Bastions of liberty to emulate!
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:51:07 AM EDT
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As a person with a nearly 15 year career in corrections, they often are one and the same and don't discriminate.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:52:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:



As a person with a nearly 15 year career in corrections, they often are one and the same and don't discriminate.
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Originally Posted By gotuonpaper:
Originally Posted By staraero:
Let out the druggies, execute the thief's rapists and murders



As a person with a nearly 15 year career in corrections, they often are one and the same and don't discriminate.



You go by worst crime not least
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:53:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Like China, North Korea and Iran?
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.


Like China, North Korea and Iran?
The fact a lot of us have concluded after existing in this world without our head up our own ass is this:

Some people are breathing the air that would be better suited for use by somebody else.

And IDGAF about what other countries do, I';m only concerned with what remains of the good ole U.S.A.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:53:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.

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Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun?
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:53:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FeebMaster:

Yes. It's what happens when you have too many laws.
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Nailed it.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:55:08 AM EDT
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Yes.
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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:57:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun?
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.


Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun?


Nope.

We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate.

If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes.

In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:57:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Averagebear:
Yes and no.

Yes for stupid drug offenses.
Yes, murderers and child molesters should be executed, not jailed.
No. The U.S. is better at catching bad guys and therefore we have more people paying for crime.
Yes, there are a lot of crimes that don't exist in other countries. Tax evasion, drugs, beating your wife, etc.
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Link Posted: 4/27/2014 11:59:03 AM EDT
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Nope.

We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate.

If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes.

In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence.
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Originally Posted By Gruntling:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.


Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun?


Nope.

We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate.

If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes.

In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence.

Like the kind of evidence found in, say, the Houston crime lab?

ETA: are we also talking about the same 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty? (another peeve of mine)
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:06:12 PM EDT
Yes, while also killing too few.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:07:24 PM EDT
I think the numbers are misleading

If we took all the numbers from other countries that execute instead of put into prison I better our number would drop.

I think the better question should be should we care less or other countries care more.

I think its ridiculous in our society that we give better care to prisoners over elderly and veterans.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:07:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gruntling:


Nope.

We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate.

If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes.

In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence.
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Originally Posted By Gruntling:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.


Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun?


Nope.

We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate.

If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes.

In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence.


I agree w/ you in theory. However, Judges have great discretion as to the evidence presented. There is also probably more politics that goes on between the Judges and lawyers than most realize.
Link Posted: 4/27/2014 12:07:58 PM EDT
Yes. It is an important part of the destruction of our society.
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

Like the kind of evidence found in, say, the Houston crime lab?

ETA: are we also talking about the same 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty? (another peeve of mine)
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By Gruntling:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.


Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun?


Nope.

We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate.

If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes.

In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence.

Like the kind of evidence found in, say, the Houston crime lab?

ETA: are we also talking about the same 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty? (another peeve of mine)


Let's play the semantics game.

The system is not perfect, can you suggest to me one that is better?

If we should never execute, because the person may be innocent, then how can we with good conscience convict a person to life imprisonment?

I think it's likely more humane to end the persons "suffering" rather then condemn them to prison for life, ya know, if they're innocent.

If the criminal justice system labored under the belief that anyone was, could be, and likely is innocent, we would live in absolute mayhem and chaos.

What we need to do, is train police officers to return to their place as community peace officers who stop/punish crime when necessary instead of main street commandos who seek crime everywhere.

It's a fact of life, innocent people will go to prison. And some will probably be put to death (though exponentially less today than even 25 years ago.

It's a shame, but the best system we have is to present the facts, as they are viewed by the state and the defendant, and let impartial persons decide.

It basically works, too. Casey Anthony, though clearly guilty by way of circumstantial evidence, was acquitted because there wasn't a preponderance of evidence to suggest guilt.

Zimmerman, a fucking moron if their ever was one, who was convicted in the media for a full year before his trial, was acquitted, because in the end he was not guilty of breaking any law, and the jury saw that.
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Nope.

We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate.

If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes.

In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence.
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Originally Posted By Gruntling:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
We need to incarcerate less, and execute more. Lots more.


Are we talking about giving this power to the same US government that nobody on this board would trust with a potato gun?


Nope.

We're talking about letting 12 of an individual's peers hear arguments for and against their innocence and using that information to determine their fate.

If that determination is that they deserve to die, well, them's the brakes.

In this day and age, crimes that deserve the death penalty (murder, rape, pedophilia, etc) are almost always proven with video or DNA evidence.

Go see the reaction on AR15.com to a jury deciding that tracking caused a family to get sick.


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Yes.

What they said.
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