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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:48:12 PM EDT
I always like throwing flashbangs when I was doing SWAT stuff, but they're generally pretty hard to come by and too expensive to use for fun(for me anyway) if you do get one. Turns out though that there are a couple of companies that make training grenades that use various blanks, so I got a couple recently.
The first one is made by Royal Arms and uses .22 nail gun blanks. It has a spring loaded firing mechanism that uses a plastic spoon and pin for safety and fires on impact. I wasn't really expecting much but this thing is impressively loud.   The other one I got is from Pamax Tactical. It uses 9mm PAK blanks, 1in 12g blanks, or 209 primers. This one's got a simpler inertia mechanism that use a pin for safety. It seems pretty nice but when I got it this afternoon I threw it three times to try it out and got 1 FTF. I tried both the 9mm and 12g blanks and honestly they didn't seem any louder than the .22 blanks that the Royal Arms version uses. They might hit a lot harder inside, but I'll have to wait a little while for that. I got the 12g blanks from a company other than Pamax and that may be a factor too. They put off a lot of smoke and burned a nice spot in my grass.  If I had it to do over, I'd probably just buy two of the Royal Arms grenades. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:50:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2021 2:55:44 PM EDT
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Royal arms one is $150. Would be cool.....
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:02:10 PM EDT
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Neat, but out of my price range. The airsoft CO2 versions are more my speed these days.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:06:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat, but out of my price range. The airsoft CO2 versions are more my speed these days. I like those too. I wore mine out. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:09:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: I always like throwing flashbangs when I was doing SWAT stuff, but they're generally pretty hard to come by and too expensive to use for fun(for me anyway) if you do get one. Turns out though that there are a couple of companies that make training grenades that use various blanks, so I got a couple recently. The first one is made by Royal Arms and uses .22 nail gun blanks. It has a spring loaded firing mechanism that uses a plastic spoon and pin for safety and fires on impact. I wasn't really expecting much but this thing is impressively loud. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26464/image-2207423.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26464/6A5B448C-AC2B-49C3-8793-D77C759787DE-2207421.jpg The other one I got is from Pamax Tactical. It uses 9mm PAK blanks, 1in 12g blanks, or 209 primers. This one's got a simpler inertia mechanism that use a pin for safety. It seems pretty nice but when I got it this afternoon I threw it three times to try it out and got 1 FTF. I tried both the 9mm and 12g blanks and honestly they didn't seem any louder than the .22 blanks that the Royal Arms version uses. They might hit a lot harder inside, but I'll have to wait a little while for that. I got the 12g blanks from a company other than Pamax and that may be a factor too. They put off a lot of smoke and burned a nice spot in my grass. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26464/image-2207425.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26464/image-2207425.jpg If I had it to do over, I'd probably just buy two of the Royal Arms grenades. I am guessing your neighbors dont like you? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:15:25 PM EDT
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The airsoft cardboard ones made in Russia aren't bad.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like those too. I wore mine out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Neat, but out of my price range. The airsoft CO2 versions are more my speed these days. I like those too. I wore mine out. Which ones worked the best? I've never messed with them but thought it might be cool to have a couple, just for surprises. I will say, tossing one of those little rocket battery cubes (the fireworks things that shoot like twelve little screaming rockets) in a room will get folks attention and then they'll beat on you and force you to buy a round of drinks afterwards. I did shoot them all though as they were jumping around like their shoes were on fire. 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which ones worked the best? I've never messed with them but thought it might be cool to have a couple, just for surprises. I will say, tossing one of those little rocket battery cubes (the fireworks things that shoot like twelve little screaming rockets) in a room will get folks attention and then they'll beat on you and force you to buy a round of drinks afterwards. I did shoot them all though as they were jumping around like their shoes were on fire. The ones I had were Valken Thunder Bs with the dumbbell shaped bottle. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:32:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The airsoft cardboard ones made in Russia aren't bad. I love those little fuckers. They're amazing. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:35:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am guessing your neighbors dont like you? They probably wouldn’t anyway. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:36:13 PM EDT
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I have a bunch of dynatex. 12guage blanks. Pneumatic time delay.
ETA, had them almost 20 years and used them a lot (hundreds of blanks through them). They're beat to shit from being bounced off concrete but have never not worked. Had them serviced about six years ago. (The delay had drifted on some of them and the firing pins were starting to get worn). |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 3:40:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ones I had were Valken Thunder Bs with the dumbbell shaped bottle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Which ones worked the best? I've never messed with them but thought it might be cool to have a couple, just for surprises. I will say, tossing one of those little rocket battery cubes (the fireworks things that shoot like twelve little screaming rockets) in a room will get folks attention and then they'll beat on you and force you to buy a round of drinks afterwards. I did shoot them all though as they were jumping around like their shoes were on fire. The ones I had were Valken Thunder Bs with the dumbbell shaped bottle. Cool, thanks. Added some to my wish list on Evike. I think adding some capsicum powder would make them more fun.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:29:16 PM EDT
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My dad was a swat cop in the 80s and said the first flashbangs, then called concussion grenades were paper mache balls filled with enough explosives to flip a watch desk over and blow the windows and doors out in a squad room and deafen everyone inside it when you bet your partner to light one for 100 bucks.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My dad was a swat cop in the 80s and said the first flashbangs, then called concussion grenades were paper mache balls filled with enough explosives to flip a watch desk over and blow the windows and doors out in a squad room and deafen everyone inside it when you bet your partner to light one for 100 bucks. That's a pretty specific description, like he had first hand experience or something.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:51:55 PM EDT
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I shouldn't have seen this thread. What I'd do with one of those would definitely get me fired! Might be worth it, though.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:56:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The airsoft cardboard ones made in Russia aren't bad. what no link or product name? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 4:58:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: I always like throwing flashbangs when I was doing SWAT stuff, but they're generally pretty hard to come by and too expensive to use for fun(for me anyway) if you do get one. Turns out though that there are a couple of companies that make training grenades that use various blanks, so I got a couple recently. The first one is made by Royal Arms and uses .22 nail gun blanks. It has a spring loaded firing mechanism that uses a plastic spoon and pin for safety and fires on impact. I wasn't really expecting much but this thing is impressively loud. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26464/image-2207423.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26464/6A5B448C-AC2B-49C3-8793-D77C759787DE-2207421.jpg  I have a metric shit ton of those 22 blanks my dad gave me (and no Ramjet, nor any reason to need one). Was planning to save them for my nephew when he was old enough to start shooting to get used to the noise. I think this would be way more fun. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:04:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The airsoft cardboard ones made in Russia aren't bad. I think Taginn was a victim of the latest rounds of sanctions against russia. They were barely coming out with their new smoke grenades and some more powerful flashbang "trainers" for LEOs. 
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:22:31 PM EDT
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I wish I would've gotten one of the TRMR ones before they were reclassified.
 TRMR-LE 12 Gauge Reusable Flash-Bang |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:32:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Taginn was a victim of the latest rounds of sanctions against russia. They were barely coming out with their new smoke grenades and some more powerful flashbang "trainers" for LEOs. I hate my country |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:38:33 PM EDT
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Now I need a golf cart and a flash bang
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:38:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love those little fuckers. They're amazing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The airsoft cardboard ones made in Russia aren't bad. I love those little fuckers. They're amazing. Link? |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:43:29 PM EDT
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The poor bastard that has been tracking the "working group" threads just got assigned this one too.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:44:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think Taginn was a victim of the latest rounds of sanctions against russia. They were barely coming out with their new smoke grenades and some more powerful flashbang "trainers" for LEOs. DAMMIT. When I played air soft I LOVE those, just got a launcher set up for some of there rds but got super busy with work, then got hurt and haven't been able to play in like a year and now this. SHIT. That sucks. Those things rocked. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:48:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The airsoft cardboard ones made in Russia aren't bad. I love those little fuckers. They're amazing. Link? They aren't in stock anywhere as I think they were under the last sanctions implemented on Russia. But there are a few on gunbroker. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/919130079 |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:48:13 PM EDT
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Flash bangs ,smoke grenades and hand grenades should be available to everyone
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Posted: 12/17/2021 5:54:16 PM EDT
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IWA still has some of their rebranded TLSFx flashbangs but at an outrageous price.
https://iwainternationalinc.com/m12-distraction-device/ |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 6:10:15 PM EDT
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Oh, a thread about things I'm not allowed to buy. That's nice.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 6:26:08 PM EDT
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I want.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 6:32:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, a thread about things I'm not allowed to buy. That's nice. Anybody can buy these unless they are illegal in your location. I don’t know why they put the LE only stuff on the Royal Arms one but they are not restricted. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 6:41:56 PM EDT
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We use the Royal Arms ones for training.
Unfortunately, the days of throwing flashbacks around are just about over. We are required to use them on a bang pole most of the time. No more fun of having the new guy fuck up in training and drop one at your feet.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 6:56:52 PM EDT
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How do any of these compare to the real thing? I have used plenty and real ones set off car alarms nearby. I have used the CTS trainers which are extremely meh by comparison but were perfect for training.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 6:57:42 PM EDT
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fun fact: If you uncork a flashbang under your boss' desk chair it WILL set off the sprinkler system...
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:01:15 PM EDT
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Also for that Royal Arms version, do they have any issue with running different power shots of the ramset cartridges? Think there is a couple different loads available.
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:03:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do any of these compare to the real thing? I have used plenty and real ones set off car alarms nearby. I have used the CTS trainers which are extremely meh by comparison but were perfect for training. They don’t rock you like a real one but they’re decently loud. The .22 ones are about like a big firecracker. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:05:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fun fact: If you uncork a flashbang under your boss' desk chair it WILL set off the sprinkler system... Easily the #1 intentionally mis-used tool...lots of stories! Also lots of stories when you were trying to use them correctly, but things just happened.... |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also for that Royal Arms version, do they have any issue with running different power shots of the ramset cartridges? Think there is a couple different loads available. So far I’ve used #3 and 4 blanks with no issues. I’ve got some #5s but I haven’t tried them yet. I don’t expect any issues though. It seems to be very sturdily built. |
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:24:35 PM EDT
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This site has cost me sooooo much money!
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Posted: 12/17/2021 7:36:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We use the Royal Arms ones for training. Unfortunately, the days of throwing flashbacks around are just about over. We are required to use them on a bang pole most of the time. No more fun of having the new guy fuck up in training and drop one at your feet. Yep. Fucking Lefty Smith ruined that for everybody. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:03:41 AM EDT
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Video?
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:25:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do any of these compare to the real thing? I have used plenty and real ones set off car alarms nearby. I have used the CTS trainers which are extremely meh by comparison but were perfect for training. They don't. Nothing compares to real deal FB. The CTS Trainers are awesome compared to everything else I see. Can't even buy trainers as LE without a letterhead. Last quote I got in 2016 the CTS minibang fuses were $16 each and the bodies were $45. Minibang trainers are 120db, legit Minibang is 175 db. https://iwainternationalinc.com/m12-distraction-device/ is supposed to be 124db |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:29:38 AM EDT
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I think gunpowder and small cardboard tubing is a lot cheaper.
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:36:25 AM EDT
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The Tag Inn pyrotechnic air soft grenades are the best.
Super loud. Have the frags, smokes, and bangers. Pull pin and spoon like the real thing.  TAG-67 training frag grenade by TAGinn https://www.airsoftjunkiez.com/tag-grenades/ Have fun. 
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Posted: 12/18/2021 2:12:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody can buy these unless they are illegal in your location. I don’t know why they put the LE only stuff on the Royal Arms one but they are not restricted. Thanks. I had clicked on the Flash bang trainer on the royal arms website which is restricted but missed the other version when i was on my phone. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 2:21:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish I would've gotten one of the TRMR ones before they were reclassified.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3H0ynrY9Mg@walkinginadangerzone When and why were they reclassified? |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 2:43:23 AM EDT
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This place costs me money...
I'll take "Things I didn't know I needed" for $500, Alex |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 11:54:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @walkinginadangerzone When and why were they reclassified? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wish I would've gotten one of the TRMR ones before they were reclassified. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3H0ynrY9Mg@walkinginadangerzone When and why were they reclassified? @C-4 A few years back, not sure exactly when. ATF being ATF. But I think the real reason was because the full size 12g blank adapter was available and by their definitions of what is a DD aka more than 1/4 oz. of explosives being able to be used is what did it. Most of these mechanical flash bangs will have 9mm blank, 22 blanks, 209 primer, or an inch shot shell blank adapters only available to civis and not be classified as an NFA item, but the TRMRs with the full 12 guage adapter did. They got popular after people found out they could run the full size 12 guage flash bang blank from ALS, the ALS1208. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:20:22 PM EDT
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All these devices advertise at a max BANG of 124 decibels. Honestly, that isn’t much for high frequency, short duration, impulsive noise. It may be startling but it’s NOT going to be debilitating.
In a defensive scenario, I certainly wouldn’t put down my real weapon in order to deploy an Airsoft toy. JMHO- As always, YMMV. |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 1:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All these devices advertise at a max BANG of 124 decibels. Honestly, that isn’t much for high frequency, short duration, impulsive noise. It may be startling but it’s NOT going to be debilitating. In a defensive scenario, I certainly wouldn’t put down my real weapon in order to deploy an Airsoft toy. JMHO- As always, YMMV. Who’s talking about doing that? |
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Posted: 12/18/2021 3:01:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @C-4 A few years back, not sure exactly when. ATF being ATF. But I think the real reason was because the full size 12g blank adapter was available and by their definitions of what is a DD aka more than 1/4 oz. of explosives being able to be used is what did it. Most of these mechanical flash bangs will have 9mm blank, 22 blanks, 209 primer, or an inch shot shell blank adapters only available to civis and not be classified as an NFA item, but the TRMRs with the full 12 guage adapter did. They got popular after people found out they could run the full size 12 guage flash bang blank from ALS, the ALS1208. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wish I would've gotten one of the TRMR ones before they were reclassified. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3H0ynrY9Mg@walkinginadangerzone When and why were they reclassified? @C-4 A few years back, not sure exactly when. ATF being ATF. But I think the real reason was because the full size 12g blank adapter was available and by their definitions of what is a DD aka more than 1/4 oz. of explosives being able to be used is what did it. Most of these mechanical flash bangs will have 9mm blank, 22 blanks, 209 primer, or an inch shot shell blank adapters only available to civis and not be classified as an NFA item, but the TRMRs with the full 12 guage adapter did. They got popular after people found out they could run the full size 12 guage flash bang blank from ALS, the ALS1208. Got it! |
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