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Posted: 8/23/2017 10:50:39 AM EDT
Recently I've been seeing the commercials for the new movie Detroit a film about the Algiers Motel incident that took place during the Detroit 12th St Riots.

My wife's family is from Michigan originally and her mother was living in Detroit on 7th Mile when the riots happened. However, when we called her to ask about it she was very aware of the incident but she was very young at the time so she advised us to call her father my grandfather in law and ask him for a first hand account.  

So we called him up and talked to him about the incident and the repercussions that still effect Detroit today. At the time of the Riots he was working for the city of Detroit Building Department and was one of the first people to go in after the police had regained control and assess the damage.

You could still here in his voice how upset he was about what happened and the damage that it did to his city. Although he admitted that the rioters did have many legitimate grievances, rioting like kids throwing a temper tantrum solved none of them and the ensuing flight of anyone with the money to do so is why Detroit is as messed up as it is today.

When he went in to assess damage, he brought a personal camera and took pictures along 12th St (now Rosa Parks Blvd) near Clairmont, ground zero of where the riots started.

And today I received these pictures in the mail and wanted to share these never before published pictures with all of you! Maybe we can discuss something other than Trump and T Swift for a couple minutes.

Please Enjoy and discuss any personal experiences you might have had with the Riots and their aftermath.

ETA The final picture a couple posts down of the intact and very nice home, was taken due to the bullet holes in the second story window. Shows just how crazy and warlike this riot got.

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Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:51:33 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:53:18 AM EDT
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Neat, thanks sharing!
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:55:53 AM EDT
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It's a bazillion times worst now, whole city blocks with nothing but burned up houses and apartment buildings, and areas where the grass/weeds are as tall as the dilapatated houses.
Its a shame what the democrats and thugs have done to the city.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:56:54 AM EDT
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OST.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:58:04 AM EDT
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It's a bazillion times worst now, whole city blocks with nothing but burned up houses and apartment buildings, and areas where the grass/weeds are as tall as the dilapatated houses.
Its a shame what the democrats and thugs have done to the city.
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They ain't done yet.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 10:59:12 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a cop from the suburbs that went into the city to assist.

Interesting stories.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:00:54 AM EDT
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It's a bazillion times worst now, whole city blocks with nothing but burned up houses and apartment buildings, and areas where the grass/weeds are as tall as the dilapatated houses.
Its a shame what the democrats and thugs have done to the city.
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This.


'White Flight' has become 'Flight of Anyone that Can'.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:01:38 AM EDT
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OST
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:01:40 AM EDT
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I posted this in another thread, but it is appropriate here as well.




This, whole blocks of cities were burned down. 

so bad it lowered property values for decades. 


http://www.nber.org/digest/sep04/w10243.html 


Although they characterize their baseline estimates as "tentative," Collins and Margo find a relative decline in median black family income of approximately 9 percent in cities that experienced severe riots relative to those that did not, controlling for several other relevant city characteristics. There is also some evidence of an adverse effect on adult male employment rates, particularly in the 1970s. Between 1960 and 1980, severe riot cities had relative declines in male employment rates of 4 to 7 percentage points. Individual-level data for the 1970s suggests that this decline was especially large for men under the age of 30. 


In the second paper, The Economic Aftermath of the 1960s Riots: Evidence from Property Values (NBER Working Paper No. 10493), Margo and Collins investigate the influence of riots on central city residential property values, especially black-owned properties. They find that the riots significantly depressed the median value of black-owned property between 1960 and 1970, with little or no rebound in the 1970s. The baseline estimates for severe-riot cities relative to small-or-no-riot cities range from approximately 14 to 20 percent for black-owned properties, and from 6 to 10 percent for all central-city residential properties. Household-level data for the 1970s indicate that the racial gap in property values widened substantially in riot-afflicted cities relative to others. 





and there were way more deaths.  Every couple of months in 67-69 there would be a riot in which 10 or more people would be killed and hundreds or thousands injured
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:10:04 AM EDT
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It's a bazillion times worst now, whole city blocks with nothing but burned up houses and apartment buildings, and areas where the grass/weeds are as tall as the dilapatated houses.
Its a shame what the democrats and thugs have done to the city.
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NO KIDDING!! Current pics of said street below





Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:16:00 AM EDT
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My Grandfather was a cop from the suburbs that went into the city to assist.

Interesting stories.
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I'd love to hear some of them!
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:16:57 AM EDT
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My grandpa, a WWII vet and graduate of Cass Tech in Detroit, also carried a grudge when it came to the Detroit riots. Grandpa was a draftsman for Chrysler and absolutely adored his city. Up until his death in 1998, I'd never heard him utter a single curse word, not even so much as a "crap" or a "darn it". However, he used the N-word quite a bit in reference to black folks, which I believe was due mostly to the resentment he harbored as a result of the riots.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:21:23 AM EDT
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They ain't done yet.
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They want it all
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:22:03 AM EDT
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Great pictures, thank you for sharing.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:22:49 AM EDT
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Great pictures, thank you and your grandfather in-law for sharing.  Do the world a favor and properly scan and upload those for posterity's sake.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:27:04 AM EDT
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Cleveland went through the same with similar results. Parts of east Cleveland look like a war zone.  White flight has created a ring of quiet and prosperous suburbs around the city.  
The section 8 warriors are seeking to destroy that.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:33:44 AM EDT
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Great pictures, thank you and your grandfather in-law for sharing.  Do the world a favor and properly scan and upload those for posterity's sake.
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You're welcome. I'm definitely planning to do so.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:34:22 AM EDT
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My dad was also a draftsman/engineer, his company did work for GM, Chrysler and AMC up until Chrysler acquired them. He'd grown up in Detroit, told us all tales of his childhood during WW2. The year before the riots he an my mother bought a small house on the west side. I was a year old during the riots and my dad said he stayed home for three days, sitting on our front porch with an M1 carbine across his lap, although nothing really happened that far from ground zero.

A year later they moved out near Selfridge ANG base in Harrison Twp, then eventually Oakland County in what became Rochester Hills (Adams and 28 mile/Silverbell). He never had a good thing to say about Detroit, even in the late 80's we only went back for Tigers games. I had Reserve drills at the old ASA garrison across from Stroh's in '87-'89, and our CO sent us to Kmart to buy three boxes of Winchester 5.56, which he gave to three of us with M16A1's to guard the parking lot. CO had a Porsche 944, 1st Sgt had a fucking Pantera. He wasn't taking any chances. One weekend some shithead cut through the razor wire to steal gas from the motor pool. They bled all over the place and busted the petcock off a 250 gallon trailer of gas, melted a huge hole in the asphalt. Lucky it didn't catch fire.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:39:47 AM EDT
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I guess nobody gave them enough space.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:41:26 AM EDT
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Ill snap some pics of the shithole and post them after work.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:42:50 AM EDT
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Awesome pictures, thanks for taking the time to put this together.  It's amazing that some of the current pictures of Detroit looks worse than these
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:51:04 AM EDT
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My grandpa, a WWII vet and graduate of Cass Tech in Detroit, also carried a grudge when it came to the Detroit riots. Grandpa was a draftsman for Chrysler and absolutely adored his city. Up until his death in 1998, I'd never heard him utter a single curse word, not even so much as a "crap" or a "darn it". However, he used the N-word quite a bit in reference to black folks, which I believe was due mostly to the resentment he harbored as a result of the riots.
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My GIL doesn't have any nice words to say about them, but he's thankfully been able to let it go. He lives a great life with his wife in the UP now on many acres that he still hunts and fishes.

I think anyone who lived in Detroit when it was at its height, a beautiful thriving city and economic power house. Has to be bitter about how things turned out.

It's truly a study in just how fragile the fabric of our society can be. One incident can tear it all to pieces.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 11:54:36 AM EDT
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Like to have the Galaxy 500
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 12:30:50 PM EDT
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A good friend of mine worked for Michigan Bell at the time. The Thursday before he had taken his family camping for the weekend up north. They were completely unaware of any trouble as they had not listened to any news broadcasts.  He thought it odd that there was so much north bound traffic when the returned on Monday afternoon.

When they came to a Michigan National Guard roadblock just north of his neighborhood, he asked what was going on. The guardsman filled him in. My pal told him he had to be at work that evening.  My pal told him were he worked - Bell build in downtown - he was escorted to the on site commander.  The commander ordered an armed escort. Two Jeeps with 50cal mounts and a deuce and a half with troops. They took the family to his house first, family got some belongings and they were taken back out of the area. His family left to go north to stay with family. My friend was then driven in a Jeep with 50cal to the Bell Building downtown. He remains at work inside the building for two & 1/2 weeks and not allowed to leave for his own safety.  Bell paid hi his wages fro the entire time he was there.

He tells me there was no real trouble in the blocks surrounding his house. He was able to sell his house within a week to a nice black family who he'd known for several years. Their home was in a shitty part of town & had been burn damaged because the neighbor's house was firebombed.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 12:32:12 PM EDT
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Thanks for sharing the pics!
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 12:37:49 PM EDT
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I saw that as well. It is nice. I had one when I was 17.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 12:37:56 PM EDT
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Did detroit ever recover from the first riot they had ?
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 12:52:28 PM EDT
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The Locals around here will get this one....
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:20:47 PM EDT
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My dad was also a draftsman/engineer, his company did work for GM, Chrysler and AMC up until Chrysler acquired them. He'd grown up in Detroit, told us all tales of his childhood during WW2. The year before the riots he an my mother bought a small house on the west side. I was a year old during the riots and my dad said he stayed home for three days, sitting on our front porch with an M1 carbine across his lap, although nothing really happened that far from ground zero.

A year later they moved out near Selfridge ANG base in Harrison Twp, then eventually Oakland County in what became Rochester Hills (Adams and 28 mile/Silverbell). He never had a good thing to say about Detroit, even in the late 80's we only went back for Tigers games. I had Reserve drills at the old ASA garrison across from Stroh's in '87-'89, and our CO sent us to Kmart to but three boxes of Winchester 5.56, which he gave to three of us with M16A1's to guard the parking lot. CO had a Porsche 944, 1st Sgt had a fucking Pantera. He wasn't taking any chances. One weekend some shithead cut through the razor wire to steal gas from the motor pool. They bled all over the place and busted the peacock off a 250 gallon trailer of gas, melted a huge hole in the asphalt. Lucky it didn't catch fire.
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One of these?

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Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:29:49 PM EDT
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Local around here will get this one....
https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/3696370.jpg
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So and so from West Bloomfield. "Nice area."
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:33:15 PM EDT
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Excellent thread topic and pics OP. We've had some good threads on the City of Detroit before and I've always enjoyed the stories people have shared.

It's a fascinating topic. Going from one the richest and most prosperous cities in the world to damn near rubble in such short order.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:42:11 PM EDT
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Great pictures thank you for posting them.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 1:42:24 PM EDT
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A good friend of mine worked for Michigan Bell at the time. The Thursday before he had taken his family camping for the weekend up north. They were completely unaware of any trouble as they had not listened to any news broadcasts.  He thought it odd that there was so much north bound traffic when the returned on Monday afternoon.

When they came to a Michigan National Guard roadblock just north of his neighborhood, he asked what was going on. The guardsman filled him in. My pal told him he had to be at work that evening.  My pal told him were he worked - Bell build in downtown - he was escorted to the on site commander.  The commander ordered an armed escort. Two Jeeps with 50cal mounts and a deuce and a half with troops. They took the family to his house first, family got some belongings and they were taken back out of the area. His family left to go north to stay with family. My friend was then driven in a Jeep with 50cal to the Bell Building downtown. He remains at work inside the building for two & 1/2 weeks and not allowed to leave for his own safety.  Bell paid hi his wages fro the entire time he was there.

He tells me there was no real trouble in the blocks surrounding his house. He was able to sell his house within a week to a nice black family who he'd known for several years. Their home was in a shitty part of town & had been burn damaged because the neighbor's house was firebombed.
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Thank you for sharing that story.

It shows what we are up against, and the potential outcome of the war some here are hoping for.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:01:17 PM EDT
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A good friend of mine worked for Michigan Bell at the time. The Thursday before he had taken his family camping for the weekend up north. They were completely unaware of any trouble as they had not listened to any news broadcasts.  He thought it odd that there was so much north bound traffic when the returned on Monday afternoon.

When they came to a Michigan National Guard roadblock just north of his neighborhood, he asked what was going on. The guardsman filled him in. My pal told him he had to be at work that evening.  My pal told him were he worked - Bell build in downtown - he was escorted to the on site commander.  The commander ordered an armed escort. Two Jeeps with 50cal mounts and a deuce and a half with troops. They took the family to his house first, family got some belongings and they were taken back out of the area. His family left to go north to stay with family. My friend was then driven in a Jeep with 50cal to the Bell Building downtown. He remains at work inside the building for two & 1/2 weeks and not allowed to leave for his own safety.  Bell paid hi his wages fro the entire time he was there.

He tells me there was no real trouble in the blocks surrounding his house. He was able to sell his house within a week to a nice black family who he'd known for several years. Their home was in a shitty part of town & had been burn damaged because the neighbor's house was firebombed.
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Wow! Thanks for sharing!

My MIL & GIL mentioned that they had to shelter in place for some time, but fortunately were also far enough away to avoid any shenanigans.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:10:21 PM EDT
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The two story building with second floor balconies, mostly clear yard, and tall fence with spikes at the top did not get burned down.  There is a lesson to be learned there.

Note also the car parked to block the driveway entrance.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:15:15 PM EDT
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The two story building with second floor balconies, mostly clear yard, and tall fence with spikes at the top did not get burned down.  There is a lesson to be learned there.

Note also the car parked to block the driveway entrance.
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The two story building with second floor balconies, mostly clear yard, and tall fence with spikes at the top did not get burned down.  There is a lesson to be learned there.

Note also the car parked to block the driveway entrance.
You also see the bullet holes in the windows behind the balcony? There's a story there, that I'd like to hear but probably never will.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:15:26 PM EDT
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No pictures, I'm afraid. I was 7, and lived about 5 miles from the riot.
They're not happy memories. We could see the smoke. Jeeps with rifle toting N.G. patrolling our street. Curfew.
The worst was the aftermath. White flight which was already a steady stream turned into a raging river.
We moved to Canada. Got home invaded in Windsor Ontario a year later. They called it "catburgled" back then.
I still remember when Detroit was beautiful. The streets were tunnels of giant Elm trees, Stoepel park on the corner still had the Flintstone House, Dinosaur slides, heavily wooded areas, tennis courts.
Rouge Park was still a beautiful pool with 3 stacked diving platforms.

Yeah, it all still hurts a bit. But at 57, the majority of my best friends are still the kids I grew up with there. It WAS a great place.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:19:33 PM EDT
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They'll riot themselves back into the stone age.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:40:41 PM EDT
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I'm sure Tay Tay would fix it all by imploring them to shake it off.  Sh-sh-sh-sh-shake it off.

But jokes aside, thanks for sharing this.  I'm always interested in personal accounts like this, beyond the well edited and reviewed accounts you see in books and on TV, but people's family members telling it through their own photos and memories is always fascinating to me.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:53:06 PM EDT
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No pictures, I'm afraid. I was 7, and lived about 5 miles from the riot.
They're not happy memories. We could see the smoke. Jeeps with rifle toting N.G. patrolling our street. Curfew.
The worst was the aftermath. White flight which was already a steady stream turned into a raging river.
We moved to Canada. Got home invaded in Windsor Ontario a year later. They called it "catburgled" back then.
I still remember when Detroit was beautiful. The streets were tunnels of giant Elm trees, Stoepel park on the corner still had the Flintstone House, Dinosaur slides, heavily wooded areas, tennis courts.
Rouge Park was still a beautiful pool with 3 stacked diving platforms.

Yeah, it all still hurts a bit. But at 57, the majority of my best friends are still the kids I grew up with there. It WAS a great place.
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Thank you very much for sharing!

I find this topic so fascinating because of accounts just like yours, where a city I've grown up using as a shorthand for shithole is talked about so lovingly.

I found these pictures so powerful, because even in the rough part of town in the aftermath of a riot it looks 1000x times better than Detroit now. I've seen many other pictures from my wife's family of Detroit in it's prime, it makes me deeply melancholy for our country and where it's headed since the 1960-70s.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 2:55:43 PM EDT
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Amazing that 50 years later the city hasn't truly recovered.

Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:01:02 PM EDT
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Thanks for sharing the pics, OP.  For many years now I've been fascinated by Detroit because of how quickly it devolved into what it is today.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:14:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:22:56 PM EDT
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Mayor Fouts said she was BIGGER , not a Nword
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:27:25 PM EDT
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Thank you very much for sharing!

I find this topic so fascinating because of accounts just like yours, where a city I've grown up using as a shorthand for shithole is talked about so lovingly.

I found these pictures so powerful, because even in the rough part of town in the aftermath of a riot it looks 1000x times better than Detroit now. I've seen many other pictures from my wife's family of Detroit in it's prime, it makes me deeply melancholy for our country and where it's headed since the 1960-70s.
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Here is where I lived. If you use Googles street map view, you will see that almost every home is still standing, and reasonably maintained. These all-brick homes were built like tanks. My Dad says he would still be there if not for the problems. The neighborhood is now at least 95% black, as it was by 1970.

So there are still pockets of very nice but modest homes, reasonably well maintained by the present inhabitants. My wifes 87 y.o. Mom still lives in her same home, about 2 miles away. She's 87. The neighbors look out for her. I hate going to visit though, it is all so in my face. Her neighborhood didn't fare as well. Lots of abandoned and boarded up homes, and empty lots. We can't talk her into moving, she's been there for 65 years.

ETA: There is a house about 6 doors down, that was owned by the Red Wings. They used it as a temporary house for new players including trades and such. We played street hockey with their kids. My brother has a pretty good collection of autographs from the players that lived there, and the ones who visited them. Abel, Howe, Lindsay.. pretty much the whole 1960's Production Line inhabit that book.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 3:30:53 PM EDT
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Great pictures, thank you for sharing.
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Interesting, thanks for sharing.
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